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 Mick058
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| posted on August 28th, 2009 at 09:22 AM |
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Gotta do brakes
New hubs 6160 ali
New bearings
New blank discs slotted not cross drilled.
New slider calipers twin piston PBR
New fittings to suit
Caliper brackets
Should have some photos tomorrow if i get there.
Aiming for an end of next week finish...
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| posted on August 28th, 2009 at 12:24 PM |
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twin piston sliders... off what? vt> commo?
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STIDUB - yep its still a work in progress
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| posted on August 28th, 2009 at 01:09 PM |
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yeh i believe so, Commodore vt-vz
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| posted on August 28th, 2009 at 01:17 PM |
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Brakes put together by Brad and Beau?
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Mick058
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| posted on August 28th, 2009 at 01:20 PM |
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yeh mate, may aswell give them the rest of my piggy 
Brad will custom make the hub
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| posted on August 28th, 2009 at 01:34 PM |
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its only money Mick  .....spend it before the wife does 
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| posted on August 28th, 2009 at 01:41 PM |
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ha, or before the house does!
Officially have a mortgage again so things will slllllllloooooooooowwwwwwwww right down. Hopefully the gearbox gives me a little fun
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| posted on August 28th, 2009 at 01:45 PM |
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Just make sure mr engineer is ok with Alloy hubs. Remember different rates of expansion
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| posted on August 28th, 2009 at 09:50 PM |
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did Ian, Jak, Paul, Matt and the other subie conversion beetles have to uprate their front brakes to get engineered ?
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| posted on August 29th, 2009 at 05:49 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Just make sure mr engineer is ok with Alloy hubs. Remember different rates of expansion
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I know that some Porsche's and probably other factory cars use aluminium-alloy hubs and iron rotors,
so should be OK if design-engineered correctly.
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| posted on August 29th, 2009 at 07:02 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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did Ian, Jak, Paul, Matt and the other subie conversion beetles have to uprate their front brakes to get engineered ?
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No, we didn't, one of them amazingly had his engineered with drum brakes on the rear
Unless u are going to do track work, there is no need to upgrade the front brakes.
In a light car like Micks, I think that it will be easy to "over brake" the car.
I think some engineers just cover all conversions with the same blanket of rules, rather than treating them on an individual basis.
VW components are seriously over engineered & are up to the task, non vw people wouldnt' know that.
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| posted on August 29th, 2009 at 11:20 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Jak Rizzo
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posted by Craig Torrens
did Ian, Jak, Paul, Matt and the other subie conversion beetles have to uprate their front brakes to get engineered ?
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No, we didn't, one of them amazingly had his engineered with drum brakes on the rear
Unless u are going to do track work, there is no need to upgrade the front brakes.
In a light car like Micks, I think that it will be easy to "over brake" the car.
I think some engineers just cover all conversions with the same blanket of rules, rather than treating them on an individual basis.
VW components are seriously over engineered & are up to the task, non vw people wouldnt' know that.
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I still don't get why, for a road Beetle with a hot engine, it won't be OK with say T3 drums on the rear and some form of disc brake up front that
is similar in diameter to the original VW discs, 279mm? I know there is more weight in the back but under braking the weight is transferred forward so
could someone explain eactly why discs are required on the rear.
From an engineers point of view wouldn't they just see a modified version of the original VW setup? Front discs and rear drums.
Coming from the UK the majority of Bugs with hot engines still use the std VW kit without any problems. Maybe some slotted/ drilled discs and sport
pads in there but otherwise std setup and they pull up just fine.
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| posted on August 29th, 2009 at 11:22 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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ha, or before the house does!
Officially have a mortgage again so things will slllllllloooooooooowwwwwwwww right down. Hopefully the gearbox gives me a little fun
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And I'm loving the car dude. Very cool  Hope you get her as you
want before the money disappears
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| posted on August 29th, 2009 at 01:16 PM |
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rear drums are ok
I think most V8 from the early days had drums all-round.
I also think a Dodge viper has rear drums .
On my super all the brakes where replaced with new ones.
disc, calipers, drums , shoes, wheel cylinders, pipes, hoses, Master cylinder. etc etc.
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| posted on August 29th, 2009 at 01:49 PM |
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Real men have 4WD (4 wheel drum)
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| posted on August 29th, 2009 at 08:18 PM |
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Yep I reckon it could be easy to over-brake one of these cars. I put Subaru vented disks and standard twin pot calipers onto my WRMANX project today
and compared them to the original VW discs. Same size disc (except vented on the Subie one) and caliper is twin pot. Now that's for a car that
probably weighs a good 500kg more than a beetle. I would have thought std VW disks up front and T3 drums on the back to be more than adequate.
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| posted on August 31st, 2009 at 08:49 AM |
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i think there is a general rule that the brakes need to be to 'donor car specs': ie: vented, as that is what the Subies have. Not 100%. Engineer
wanted a front brake upgrade so were doing it.
He hadn't mentioned it earlier which is a bit of a pain, but anyways, thats the way these things go.
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| posted on September 1st, 2009 at 11:08 PM |
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Thing that I find interesting is that they don't seem to take the weight factor into account, or do they?
a Subie weighs 400-500kg more than a bug. With the bigger engine your bug is maybe 300-400kg lighter than a subie so std bug discs up front and rear
drums in good working order should still haul things in nicely. All these brake mods required for an engineers report means you now have a car thats
0-100-0 times and distances are far superior to the donor vehicle.
I just think it's amusing, well and maybe a little frustrating due to the extra effort required to meet the engineers wishes
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| posted on September 1st, 2009 at 11:37 PM |
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the joys of a modified car
Mick, at least you know Brad and the team are doing it RIGHT 
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| posted on September 2nd, 2009 at 08:48 AM |
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yeh, what can i do! O well, its something to tick off the list of possible 'to do's'. Its done now, engineer wants it so we do it.
Calipers are freaking huge though
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| posted on September 14th, 2009 at 10:25 PM |
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Updates ??
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| posted on September 15th, 2009 at 08:22 AM |
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yeh, getting there - still fabin' brakes. WE had issues finding the right rotor to fit. Theres that ridge kinda thing within the porsche rim thats
given us some fitment issues. Suppose to finish this week, but ill get excited when its in the garage!
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| posted on September 15th, 2009 at 10:01 AM |
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i feel these posts have been lacking in pics recently mick
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| posted on September 15th, 2009 at 10:24 AM |
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ha, i know! Brad said he'd take some photos and post, but they've had a lot of fun with the brake rotor, so not too much happening.
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| posted on September 18th, 2009 at 08:12 AM |
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some pics for now...
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| posted on September 18th, 2009 at 08:33 AM |
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Geez they are massive...
Home stretch now
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| posted on September 18th, 2009 at 09:01 AM |
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yeh, and im 6 foot 2 so my foot in the photo aint that small!!
Should be interesting...
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| posted on September 18th, 2009 at 11:15 AM |
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well looks like i wont make Warrick 
The car might be ready but i can't get my hands on a trailer. I've tied in work (as i do lots in Brisbane) and some time off with my wife @
Broadbeach with the Warrick show - means i'm up there for 2weeks and need to hire a car trailer for 2 weeks. I can't afford $500 to hire a trailer
right at the moment and can't justify spending $500 more on the car right now, so i won't be making it with the car - which blows!!!!
ill still come to spectate but it isn't the same without your car, plus it seems harder to 'talk' to people without your car there. Suxs cause it
sounds like a bit of a special year at Warwick this year with so many new entries.
Guess there's next year...
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| posted on September 18th, 2009 at 12:00 PM |
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I all good dude. I won't have my car there but am still looking forward to having a ball and meeting some great people!
Reub
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