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posted on November 23rd, 2014 at 08:25 AM



Pics of K&N setup?



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posted on November 23rd, 2014 at 08:48 AM



Hi Todd

Theres a photo on my FB timeline, its just a K&N element in the same housing

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posted on November 23rd, 2014 at 09:38 AM



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the results are here http://racing.natsoft.com.au/635946593/object_682127.82H/Result?8 

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posted on November 23rd, 2014 at 09:47 AM



try this one http://racing.natsoft.com.au/635956637/object_995730.82I/Result?8 

or try the home page http://racing.natsoft.com.au/results/  and go to circuit racing results
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posted on November 23rd, 2014 at 09:53 AM



Hi

Car felt great at 226 kph, the wing, it felt the same, video http://youtu.be/spgKInSH1D0 

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posted on November 23rd, 2014 at 11:42 AM



not bad at all!, seems to have a bit of wheel hop though from what I can see.



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posted on November 23rd, 2014 at 12:49 PM



geez - you put some big bucks to shame

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posted on November 23rd, 2014 at 12:54 PM



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Bit of wheel hop, no tyre warming or burnouts allowed because it could damage the landing strip
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posted on November 23rd, 2014 at 04:21 PM



you could get one drive shaft special make to be a heap thinker, like 50% thicker and that should stop wheel hop.

Thats all anti wheel hop kits for other high powered RWD cars are, one standard thickness and one about 50% thicker. It inhibits drivtrain harmonics that creates wheel hop by having different resonance on each axle.




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posted on November 23rd, 2014 at 04:26 PM



Drivetrain harmonics create wheel hop???!!!!



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posted on November 23rd, 2014 at 04:39 PM



More likely to be shock absorbers....or engine mounts.



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posted on November 23rd, 2014 at 04:40 PM



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posted on November 23rd, 2014 at 06:59 PM



Great result Steve.

I think you'll need to upgrade your HUD as it maxes out in the 170ish km/h range :smile grin:

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posted on November 23rd, 2014 at 09:11 PM



Hi

The motor and trans are well mounted now, maybe I should try some harder mounts, I was leaving the line close to limiter.

Its Polaris HUD I should complain to them, on the first run I was a bit disappointed thinking that I hadn't cracked the 200 mark

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posted on November 23rd, 2014 at 11:28 PM



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Drivetrain harmonics create wheel hop???!!!!


yes, you should know of all people :no: its simple physics, everything in the world has resonance and harmonics of different orders, vibrations, juddering, hopping... no different.

have you not seen how well anti hop axle work? your missing out man.

here is one example.

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posted on November 23rd, 2014 at 11:37 PM



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More likely to be shock absorbers....or engine mounts.


yes, they tend to exacerbate the natural bounce a lot if they aren't in good order.

In my experience you can only reduce amplitude/change frequency them with mounting everything solid, to the point of not really noticing much but still exists regardless.

I found stiffer shocker increase the frequency of the hop but reduced amplitude which is good.




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posted on November 24th, 2014 at 03:41 PM



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Drivetrain harmonics create wheel hop???!!!!


yes, you should know of all people :no: its simple physics, everything in the world has resonance and harmonics of different orders, vibrations, juddering, hopping... no different.

have you not seen how well anti hop axle work? your missing out man.

here is one example.

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Yeah, I of all people should know. Interestingly, my 190kw car does not suffer from axle hop and it has the same thickness axles on the left as on the right.

Perhaps you could quote your source? I can only find articles discussing shock absorbers, mounts, tyre sidewalls etc. Does the different axle thing also work on solid rear axles, like VK Commodores?




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posted on December 24th, 2014 at 08:47 AM



Hi

A more professional video of the Snowy 1000 http://youtu.be/m7TLBbAH-Pg?list=UUYZ11-hqT0MUhzgstStiyVQ 

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posted on December 31st, 2014 at 10:07 AM



Hi

Another part of my quest for more power came today, a Zeitronix E85 flex fuel sensor, cams and another tune soon

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posted on January 23rd, 2015 at 10:22 AM



I saw this Bugaru on the road late last year (Forest Road Peakhurst) and was very impressed. Congratulations on a job well done Steve and how great to come across a group of people so willing to share info' such as yourself, Jak etc.
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Thanks for that, I live near Peakhurst
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posted on January 23rd, 2015 at 08:04 PM



I think the IRS commodore guys use asymmetrical axles to stop tramp. As in the axles are NOT round.
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posted on January 24th, 2015 at 01:51 PM



I love some of the stuff you read on forums. Axles are not round, tramp is caused by harmonics. Wow.
Must tell those top fuel guys some of these tricks so they can reliably get 8000hp to the ground. Damn tyre shake!
Why don]t they just read the forums?

Steve, how]s the E85 flexfuel install and tune going?




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posted on January 24th, 2015 at 02:14 PM



Hi Todd

I'm still waiting for the cams from Tomei, I have the flex fuel stuff already, fitting up the sensor and gauge soon.

I have to wait for the cams as I want to have both fitted before tuning.

They way things will work out time wise I might not get a chance to fit them until late March, I've entered the VW drags in Sydney and Power Cruise, there's a club cruise in between so not enough time to have the car off the road.

I'm keen to see what the motor will produce on cams and 98 plus what it will do E85

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posted on January 24th, 2015 at 07:54 PM



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I'm keen to see what the motor will produce on cams and 98 plus what it will do E85
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That's you, me and a lot of other people that are keen to also see.

Glad to see you are not growing up, only older :lol::lol::lol:

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I think the IRS commodore guys use asymmetrical axles to stop tramp. As in the axles are NOT round.


Actually they are asymmetric as is one side is much thicker.

There are kits available for VE commodore onward which are same as chev CTS-V shafts as they were developed for them 1st in the states as it is an incurable harmonic in that model.

The use of asymmetric shafts is now common place in OEM AWD and RWD ( mostly RWD) designs where suspension and mounting does not solve the oscillation that is wheel hop.

If it can't be fixed with mounts and suspension bushes, asymmetric shafts are always a great option. certainly cheaper than blowing transmissions up and cracking metal in places.


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posted on January 24th, 2015 at 08:28 PM



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I think the IRS commodore guys use asymmetrical axles to stop tramp. As in the axles are NOT round.


Actually they are asymmetric as is one side is much thicker.

There are kits available for VE commodore onward which are same as chev CTS-V shafts as they were developed for them 1st in the states as it is an incurable harmonic in that model.

The use of asymmetric shafts is now common place in OEM AWD and RWD ( mostly RWD) designs where suspension and mounting does not solve the oscillation that is wheel hop.

If it can't be fixed with mounts and suspension bushes, asymmetric shafts are always a great option. certainly cheaper than blowing transmissions up and cracking metal in places.


http://shop.gforce1320.com/images/CTS-V%20BIG%20N%20SMALL%20AXLE%20KIT%20-%202.jpg


Yup, resonant frequencies and sympathetic harmonics are very destructive in all walks of engineering. Just ask the poor bugger who designed the millenium walkway in London. Poor sod lost his career over that one.




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I think the IRS commodore guys use asymmetrical axles to stop tramp. As in the axles are NOT round.


Actually they are asymmetric as is one side is much thicker.

There are kits available for VE commodore onward which are same as chev CTS-V shafts as they were developed for them 1st in the states as it is an incurable harmonic in that model.

The use of asymmetric shafts is now common place in OEM AWD and RWD ( mostly RWD) designs where suspension and mounting does not solve the oscillation that is wheel hop.

If it can't be fixed with mounts and suspension bushes, asymmetric shafts are always a great option. certainly cheaper than blowing transmissions up and cracking metal in places.


http://shop.gforce1320.com/images/CTS-V%20BIG%20N%20SMALL%20AXLE%20KIT%20-%202.jpg


Yup, resonant frequencies and sympathetic harmonics are very destructive in all walks of engineering. Just ask the poor bugger who designed the millenium walkway in London. Poor sod lost his career over that one.


Except wheel hop is actually caused by the loading and unloading of the tyre and its contact patch with the road and has nothing to do with harmonics.




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posted on January 25th, 2015 at 05:56 AM



Crikey, the things you learn on here....I always thought wheel hop was due to the masonic affluence on the atlasphere !



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