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 jakriz
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| posted on December 7th, 2003 at 07:14 AM |
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Make sure that all specs of motors with their hp outputs are posted for those of us that can't make it.
I want to see a stock stroke engine with 100hp at the wheels!!
Jak
Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!
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| posted on December 7th, 2003 at 05:17 PM |
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Here's the results from a great day...
Barry Agnew S Bug 1776 62.1@4600
Chris Holland No result. Back after some tuning - 104.9@?
Costa Argirellis Audi A3 1.8T 151.4@4900
Daniel Norris Audi A3 1.8T 160.3@5000
Dave Becker Bug 2176 143.6@5900
Evan Field VR6 Golf 2.8 149.1@5700
Geoff Haddon Golf 1600 62.4@5200
Glenn Molineaux Bug 1914 55.9@4000
Jeff Baker Bug 2005 73.2@4600
Liam Camilleri Mk4 Gti 119.9@5000
Mahdi Majzoub Golf Gti 1.8T 132.3@5000
Matthew Sherwood Kombi 1776 No result. Carb linkage popped off.
Michael Waldron Bug 1600 50.5@4700
Peter McLeod 1916 78.9@4800
Robert Chung Golf 2L 91.6@5200
Rod Evan VR6 Golf 2.8 135.9@5700
Scott France Kombi 2L 49.8@?
Seb Najder Audi 200T 2.2T 107.3@5000
Steven Natoli Bug 1916 67.5@5100
Troy Finucane S Bug 1916 91.8@5800
Big thumbs up to Dave! What a sweet sounding and running car! Even got a round of applause!
All runs done in Shootout mode on a new dyno freshly calibrated. Even had a Dyno Dynamics rep lending a hand.
Much thanks to Mike and CBB for hosting the day. They did the price right for us Veedubbers and looked after everyone with everyone who wanted another
shot at the rollers getting one. Cars from a wide variety of builders and shops turned up showing that the dyno day was an event for owners,
regardless of who built the engine.
Lookout for another one when the new shop opens next year!
Thanks to everyone who came along, not just those who went on the rollers but those who came to watch. It was an excellent social day as well as a a
top automotive extravaganza!
I'm sure everyone's ears are beginning to unblock by now from the drag car going up for a run...
Pics soon.
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| posted on December 7th, 2003 at 05:35 PM |
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Thats Fast
Wow Matt you didn't waste any time getting the results out there
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| posted on December 7th, 2003 at 05:39 PM |
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Big Thanks
To Mike for the day, and sorting out a leaning out prob I didn't now I had and also finding another 14 ponnies in just an hour of messing
around. :thumb
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| posted on December 7th, 2003 at 06:30 PM |
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I had a great day catching up with people and seeing some of these rides, I hear about, in action:thumb
Scored a couple of nice exterior door handles for Bel as well...:kiss
There was an amazing turnout of people and cars....
Internet Cafe across the road from where I'm staying...couldn't help myself...on the way to find food
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| posted on December 7th, 2003 at 06:49 PM |
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Dave, thats f*^%king awesome!!! I take my hat off to u! Just can't beat the stroke!
So Matt, thats all of them? No 1916's with 120@ the wheels? not even 100@ the wheels? makes me feel better about my 93.6 then.
Sounds like it was an awesome day, wish I could have been there.
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Jak
Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!
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| posted on December 7th, 2003 at 06:59 PM |
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well htere ya go, huh!
hey matt what happened to yours? mike must have been pissed, espesh since mine wasnt down there. after certainly seeing some of those figures and me
not having my bus there.
Simply Cruzin'...
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| posted on December 7th, 2003 at 07:19 PM |
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Did they give out a figure for Mikes Drag car ???
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| posted on December 7th, 2003 at 07:40 PM |
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Mikes Drag Car
He did two runs with it, as its still being set up it was running lean and didn't wan't to do any damage, but we still saw near 200 ponnies
and the methonol fumes to go with it.
Hey Dave why didn't you bring the smoothy out to play
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| posted on December 7th, 2003 at 07:48 PM |
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Big thanks to Matt, Mike and the boys for a great day,
My eyes are still burning from Mikes car,:thumb
Hey Pete, (speedster 356) hows the hangover? you looked like a bag of sh#$ man!
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| posted on December 7th, 2003 at 08:33 PM |
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Since the accelerator pedal wasn't going to play properly and open up the carbs I wasn't gonna miss a run on the rollers...
It might have needed a helping hand but at least the rollers were moving!
And before anyone raises the safety issue the occupant IS wearing a 5 point harness!
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| posted on December 7th, 2003 at 08:54 PM |
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well matt. i am hoping to have my bus back down there next saturday for its first service and another run on the dyno. am quite excited considering
what i know so far and how it went on the way home.
i will also have some pics and stuff sorted so i can post on forum.
Simply Cruzin'...
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| posted on December 7th, 2003 at 09:26 PM |
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Fantastic turn out! From what I remember I think I was having fun? Looks like it's back to some tuning on the Webers, down about 6.5 from the
last run. Running way lean run.
Thanks Dave, yeah the noise of the drag car run was enough for me and my head so I slinked off home for a kip. They don't call those drinks
"brain tumors" for nothing I guess.
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 01:47 AM |
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Hiya dudes sounds like a great day was had by almost all,congrats esp. to Dave 143.6 horsies,how is this possible Dave ,is this a STREET car,can you give us plebs an insight into what goes into
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 02:34 AM |
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Awesome day guys thanx Matt for organising it - all I have to say is Daves car is dyno God of the aircooled!
My watercooled mates said if you ever want to sell it they would buy it for sure
Cant wait till the next meet
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 05:41 AM |
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I wanted to try and get some VW work done on a Type 3 i am building for # 2 son... so i decided tro stay at home n work.
The Smoooothieee wouldnt have gotten over 30hp at the wheels... not much point in running it on the dyno... except for laugh...
Sounds like everyone had a great day
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 09:36 AM |
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"Except for a laugh", that's why I put the camper on and got an awesome 49.8!! Although the chart did indicate some tuning work on the
Webers is required but I had a fun day anyway
VWs + sausage sandwiches = :thumb
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 11:54 AM |
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Yep
Thanks CBB!
I will add that it must be pretty close to the SAS day and comparrisons can be drawn. I had done some minor jet changes between last year and now and
i pulled 61.1 last year and 62.1 this year. Although i am not making more power i am running truckloads smoother.
Without starting anything i will say the the CBB was a better day.
More room to watch and the Dyno Dynamic man was there to ask questions. You could get them to happily press buttons to give torque, power and air/fuel
ratio.
I did another jet change on the day and then did a second pull. Yep - helped heaps in smoothness
Dave - yep. Such a smooth looking car. So unassuming!
What blew me away was Dave took the stinger off and lost 15-20 ponies! Twas a good learing day
Futue te ipsum!!!
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 04:32 PM |
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Without starting anything i will say the the CBB was a better day.
More room to watch and the Dyno Dynamic man was there to ask questions. You could get them to happily press buttons to give torque, power and air/fuel
ratio.
Sorry to hear that u didn't enjoy SAS Barry, the second time we went we got all the readings that we wanted. They did answer all my questions
& the reason u are not allowed in the dyno room is because of work cover. CBB must have insurance for all of u to be in there. Must cost some
bucks.
Funny Barry, your reading went up but Peter & Costa went down from memory?
Jak
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 04:38 PM |
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Sorry to hear that u didn't enjoy SAS Barry,
Never said that Jak
I enjoy ALL these days - just saying that there was more room and peoples and stuff at CBB
As for Pete and Costa cant answer. I think Pete had been tweeking more than me so that is where i got the constant denominator theory from
All DYno days are good if it provides the information you want.
For me it did do that.
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 05:34 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by jakriz
Dave, thats f*^%king awesome!!! I take my hat off to u! Just can't beat the stroke!
So Matt, thats all of them? No 1916's with 120@ the wheels? not even 100@ the wheels? makes me feel better about my 93.6 then.
Sounds like it was an awesome day, wish I could have been there.
regards
Jak
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Well sorry to burst you're bubble Jak, but today was the day Greg Ward and myself ran our 1916cc cars on a Dyno both producing over 100 HP
My hillclimb 1916cc beetle produced 111.6hp and Greg's produced 108.8hp. We did it at Berowra (Dumar Auto Technics Pty Ltd) at a new SHOOTOUT 03
Dyno Dynamic dyno .
Greg's was running a lot richer than mine and this was affecting his overall result.
So at whet revs was the power made for my Pobjoy 1916cc ?? as follows
3400rpm = 62hp
3800rpm = 70hp
4200rpm = 82hp
4600rpm = 88hp
5000rpm = 100hp
5400rpm = 104hp
5800rpm = 108hp
6200rpm = 110hp
and 111.6hp at 6400rpm
7000rpm = 108hp
So it was not 120hp max Hp, but I'm happy with 111.6hp :thumb
Oh yeah, done in shootout mode so this should be a direct comparison, so I'm told
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 05:50 PM |
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No bubble around me Craig, it burst a long time ago.
Fantastic dyno results, gives me a little hope yet with the new heads coming. How come u didn't take them out to 8000rpm?
The 1916cc that was at CBB that got 91@ the wheels, is that one of the super duper Pobjoy motors?? or was it a home made jobby?
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 06:11 PM |
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The 91 was a pobjoy steroids.
Run on a freshly calibrated new Dyno. With a DYNO DYNAMICS rep there as well as the qualified owner. Run in Shootout.
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 06:23 PM |
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the dyno operator took mine to 7500rpm but the power fell away so no use going further. went down to 104hp at 7500rpm, so I guess the high fan speed
affects the top end. I only rev it to 8000rpm when I'm not wanting to change gears between corners etc. So for straight line speed I now know to
change at about 7000rpm
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Troy's 1916 is a Steroids combo, but apparently was running very lean on the dyno Day, and Mike would not run it past 6000rpm on the day. So he
needs to do a bit of tuning !! Should get about 4HP more over 6000rpm and with a jet change probably another 4 or 5hp , or over 100hp total ! Troy
was also using the standard VW pulley, Greg and myself use a power pulley for the street (and now supersprints) due to the revs, so this may also give
an extra 5hp ????
Imagine if I put a stinger on !!! another 15-20hp or about 130hp at the wheels, not bad for standard stroke and under 2000cc
Barry, for learning purposes, a stinger will give you about 1/2 sec in the quarter mile.
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 06:27 PM |
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And we know from Dave's stinger/muffler swap that almost 20 ponies are in the breathing out!
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 06:41 PM |
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just show's how much horsepower can be gained by setting your motor up for the drags compared to the street. Next time I will have to try
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So Daves motor produced about 123hp in street setup??? without stinger?
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 06:52 PM |
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Keiths 2387cc which was slapped together with low 8.5 compression & cracked 041 heads, untuned made 119@ the wheels, imagine if was tuned &
sorted with some real nice heads! It made it's power at 5500rpm as well.
Do u think that thats as much as u can get with the 1916cc Craig? Is there anymore that Stan can do?
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Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 07:22 PM |
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It made 126.6 with the muffler, but it is an offset "in and out" cheap muffler I put on it to keep it quiet for the street.
I just posted the engine specs in members rides for anyone interested.
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 07:31 PM |
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Still more Jak :thumb You need to remember that my motor was built to run hillclimb, not Dyno days or produce maximum HP from the 1916 combo. I have
spoken to Stan in the past regarding more HP, and this can be acheived with a Cam change , Bigger carbies, and a few other pobjoy
"secrets"
Drag motor performance (High HP) and everyday street motors are different combinations, time I did a Drag combo:thumb
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Dave Becker
It made 126.6 with the muffler, but it is an offset "in and out" cheap muffler I put on it to keep it quiet for the street.
I just posted the engine specs in members rides for anyone interested.
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thanks Dave, congrats on the results :thumb
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