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| posted on November 23rd, 2003 at 06:21 PM |
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No conspiracy theories Craig.
I have driven and ridden many cars with Pobjoy engines, including one with one of your old engines.
I don't doubt their guts but I've never seen one get close to the purported 100 horses. And none that have ever even felt like it! And no
one is ever keen to see what they really have.
What you say is right about shootout mode and that's why it's the ONLY mode that can be trusted for power runs.
The whole idea of Shootout mode is because the dyno dynamics machine are so closely calibrated that you take your results to another and they
guarantee there will only be a tiny if any difference.
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| posted on November 23rd, 2003 at 06:31 PM |
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Craig. I have nothing against Stan's engines just want to see one actually get 100+ honest at the wheels ponies.
I'd love to see a naturally aspirated pump petrol 1916 break 100.
For $35 bucks on the rollers you can prove the disbelievers wrong.
i'd also like to see how yours stacks up compared to the "same" engine sold to anyone else for thier street car.
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With any luck, my rusted heap of crudness (affectionate term for Hoobie aka my streetcar) will be there too. But we'll never see the end of this
craziness, no matter what happens, or who goes. just you wait... mark my words.... *tells you so*
there. I said it.
"Panda bear huh? We don't take kindly to your type round here.."
"Now Skeeter, we don't want no trouble..."
let sleeping dubs lie
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| posted on November 23rd, 2003 at 06:50 PM |
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Peter I hope it does make 100+ ponies.
I doubt it but I and I'm sure many others want to see a naturally aspirated non-stroked engine pull that power.
I've never run down Pobjoy engines and never will, but will run down the claims made by so many who have never been close on the rollers to what
they claimed. Here's hoping a fresh engine will get up there.
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| posted on November 23rd, 2003 at 07:06 PM |
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No conspiracy theories Craig.
I have driven and ridden many cars with Pobjoy engines, including one with one of your old engines.
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Is that Murry's car ?? Base pobjoy 1916, raced for two years by me and now over 10 years old ! can't complain with that reliability :thumb
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| posted on November 23rd, 2003 at 07:15 PM |
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Yes. Like I said I've never run them down.
It's a good engine and I don't have to be convinced that 94s are not a problem in regard to reliability.
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| posted on November 23rd, 2003 at 07:29 PM |
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Good bloke Murry :thumb sold that to him for $2200 ! Ahhh the good old days
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How many Hours of labour have you and other people put in to get it where it is today 100, 150, 200man hours? now times that by $70min
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Wow I can get $70 and hour for cutting up peoples cars 
Way cool :thumb:thumb
My Buggy goes on the Dyno Wednesday so I will see how many ponies I get for my $$$$ I reckon 60 at the wheels with 31 x 10's on it
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| posted on November 23rd, 2003 at 09:45 PM |
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I'd pay you $75, good bloke and all:kiss
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| posted on November 24th, 2003 at 02:49 AM |
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To all those not going to the dynoday in Dec,what about having one at SAS on the first sat in Feb just like last year,im hoping for 42.1hp that would
move me up 6 places in the National Aussieveedubbers Horsepower Challenge,currently seated at third last thanks Jen and Pat but about to blow past
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| posted on November 24th, 2003 at 04:47 AM |
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I was going to organise one after Xmas at SAS when CT & I do all our head swaps.
Unfortunantly I can't make the 7th of December, It's my little Sienna's 1st birthday.........I've already tried telling her mother
she was born on the 6th but she won't beleive me.............
Jak
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| posted on November 24th, 2003 at 06:18 AM |
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I know the vw motors are good for competition like hill climbs, and I said that. I like to see them in hillclimbs and like to support the vw powered
cars. My favorite car is Wayne Penroses beast.
My point simply was that I personnally wouldn't pay that much for a motor. I have the skill to do my own conversion, so I did. Some people have
the skill to build their own vw motors, so they do. so be it.
I just think the people that run around saying "my vw blew away a gti swift (or something)" are a little sad when their motor costs more
than the car they blew away. My mate had a $5000 RWD sprinter that he put a CA18DET motor into for about $1000 and he had a 12second street car.
VW's can't compete with that kind of reliable everyday performance.
I'm not bagging out vw's, I just want people to be realistic about what they are saying and what they think they vw will and can do.
As I said hillclimbs are not a test of HP. A test of HP is drag racing. VW's used to be good in drag racing in their day when they were up
against 202 holdens. But these days they are far behind the competition. And before someone quotes times from rod penroses car or similar, tell me how
many vw parts are actually on the car.
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| posted on November 24th, 2003 at 07:04 AM |
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wesley. wesley wesley wesley. there are so many things wrong with that last post I don't think I could be bothered wrangling with such an asinine
view on a VW FORUM.
let sleeping dubs lie
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| posted on November 24th, 2003 at 07:05 AM |
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It seems to me that some people have an obsession about $$ vs HP.
It's not all about the $$ people. It's about getting a VW-powered VW to perform from the lights, around the twisty bits, etc etc as good (if
not better) than some very expensive HSV ot FPV.
It's just that some cars do it better than others **enter Craig Torrens**
If you're good enough (or deluded enough to think you can) to put a hot engine together then good onya. If not (like me) then ya go to the engine
builder / master machinist with the best reputation.
I paid about $5000 for my base 1916 and I supplied a 2nd hand set of Kads. They had to be totally cleaned up, rejetted (they came off a kombi) and
tuned. There, I said it.
Now I have an engine that will last the life of my Oval with propoer maintanance, and out perform alot of cars, and surprise even more!
And the best part -
IT'S A VW-POWERED VW
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| posted on November 24th, 2003 at 08:01 AM |
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It's not all about the $$ people. It's about getting a VW-powered VW to perform from the lights, around the twisty bits, etc etc as good (if
not better) than some very expensive HSV ot FPV....
...IT'S A VW-POWERED VW
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And that's fine and I am all for that and I like vw powered vw's. I can say this all I want but people won't read it.
My point is be realistic about the vw and it's performance potential. I just don't want to hear people come on here and tell me stories
about how they blew away a GTR skyline or something else silly...
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| posted on November 24th, 2003 at 08:47 AM |
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7 or 8 inches?
Surely it has enough horsepower, but before I buy one I’d like to know two things;
1. Longevity: will it still be fun after 100000+ km? If I occasionally stretch its legs.
2. Tractability: will it not make driving in traffic or the shopping center car park more of a nightmare than it needs to be?
…and it has to be aircooled even if Mazda wins on all counts.
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| posted on November 24th, 2003 at 08:55 AM |
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1 Yes
2 Yes
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| posted on November 24th, 2003 at 04:48 PM |
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| Quote: | My point is be
realistic about the vw and it's performance potential. I just don't want to hear people come on here and tell me stories about how they blew
away a GTR skyline or something else silly...
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Well I've got the lap times for those silly stories, I chased the guy in the GTR all year, always a secon slower than him, i finally beat him the
other weekend, U can also click on the link of u don't beleive me
Jak
2027cc beetle 2.03.156
Nissan GTR (godzilla) 2.06.516
Then theres also the Audi A4 turbo, the Audi TT Quatro, the Nissan Skyline.........
http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?18/10/2003.EAST.S1
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well I'll be...
don't go confusing the issue with facts, jak
the whole point of me getting this motor is very simple: goes hard? check. proven to keep going hard for 100s of thousands of k's? check.
that's why it's worth it.
sheesh.
let sleeping dubs lie
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| posted on November 24th, 2003 at 06:03 PM |
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Well I've got the lap times for those silly stories, I chased the guy in the GTR all year, always a secon slower than him, i finally beat him the
other weekend
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but jak you beat him cos your the far superior driver obviously :P
I am talking about straight line performance, which is what your engine gives. Don't try and tell me you kept up with a GTR in a straight line,
even if he had his air con on.
PS - A friend bought a GTR, when he got it he took it to the drags and ran a 11.99 1/4mile.
PPS - Peter, that's fine, I am glad you like your motor, I would have fun driving it to, all I am saying is that I personally wouldn't pay
that much for a VW motor. Simple. I am sure there are many others that would also agree with me, and many others that would happily pay the money. Why
does everything have to be an arguement :P
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It's just tooo easy to buy a GTR & do a 5.9 second 1/4 mile though, thats the whole arguement, if I had a dollar for all the thumbs up or
positive remarks I get after staying with so called 'modern performance ' car's, I would be a very rich man (but I am, I have a hot
VW).
I have a few scalps for straight line speed, there was the Z3 uphill on the F3, the 70's Falcon GT, .............the list goes on.
It's just too easy to go fast in a straight line Wes, u bragged once that u stayed with a Karman Ghia at Nambucca that had a 2.3 stroker in it,
bet no corners were involved.
This whole post is a celebration if u like, that there is now another hot VW roaming the streets (& it's a superbug) who built it, who paid
for it, how much did it cost? who cares. The grin answers it all................
regards
Jak
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally
posted by Baja Wes
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...IT'S A VW-POWERED VW
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My point is be realistic about the vw and it's performance potential. I just don't want to hear people come on here and tell me stories
about how they blew away a GTR skyline or something else silly...
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Cool no more silly stories about Baja's beating 4wd's
offroad:thumb same thing :jesus
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| posted on November 24th, 2003 at 10:02 PM |
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Wanker
It also takes more than just top end horsepower and handling to win at the races, as opposed to the drags. If you come out of a corner and your power
band is as thin as a drag-oriented vehicle (which are a compromise designed to make most power in a relatively narrow rev range) without extreme
finesse and perfect gear changing you either suddenly swap ends, or choke it. You need out of corner power, that comes on manageably, yeh? Let's
not get into power curves and crap, but Jak's could just as easily be beating the GTR on out of corner speed, similar to how you leave a turbo
wrx behind while it wallows off the boil. trust me, this happens, they get reallly boggy at lower revs. That's gonna get me in trouble, but
it's still true.
I could hook up a simple nitrous kit and blow most cars off the road left right and centre, but how hard would it be to drive (let alone the legality)
on the road? hey this could be fun... just get the kit up and running for a couple of drags.... nah better spend something on the rust and handling
before i go there. priorities priorities.
What Jak said about the thrust of this post is mostly true, it IS a celebration of another hot VW hitting the streets, but it's more than that.
It's also me having a total wank cos now i've got a 'foolly shick dub' Everytime I turn the key, it's a really fun blaster sportscar, whenever I get out, I'm either smiling or shaking.
How cool is that? And it's my daily driver!! I ROCK! MY DUB GOES FAAASSSSSST!!!:bounce:bounce
do I get bonus points for verbal diarrhoea ... like an increase in post count by five... or do I lose five..
may the rattiest sleeper win
and where's my rat-eating forum?
:jesus
someone's tryignfds to tajkle my keyboardszs off mewwseffg:o
let sleeping dubs lie
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| posted on November 24th, 2003 at 10:09 PM |
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:beer A toast to Peter and his pride and joy
:beer A toast to all VW's making a mark on what they were built for.
:beer A toast to no more Hijacking of posts:thumb
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| posted on November 24th, 2003 at 10:50 PM |
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Hi, Jak
:beer and a toast to beer
:beer and toasting
:beer and toasters
:beer and the bread that goes in before it gets toasted
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It's funny how people read selective parts of my post as it suits them.
I said I wouldn't pay for one, simple my personal choice. Some people here can't understand that. Some people do want to pay that much money
for a vw motor, and that's fine, it's there choice.
And likewise I went the jap route, and I simply stated a few reasons why. Some people agree jap is the way to go and the followers are in the
conversion section. But some vw people can't see why I would want to go non-vw.
So I was pointing out a strange double standard on this forum. It's fine for people to want to spend $9000 on a vw motor but when someone spends
$1000 putting a jap motor in his car it's blasphemy. :o
Then I was just making people realise a steriods motor will not make their vw the fastest car on the streets. If you have ever heard sh*t stories from
people with hotted up vw motors spinning absolutely crap stories about how they blew away dodge vipers or something silly you will know what I am
getting at. There are some very fast cars on this forum such as Jak's and Craig's car that are genuinely capable of blowing away a lot of
cars, and they have earnt the right to brag. :thumb
And in every post I have said I like vw powered vw's and like to see them perform well, but no-one reads these sections of my posts. I call it
selective reading.
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Cool no more silly stories about Baja's beating 4wd's
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Lucky you didn'y include Buggies in there
From memory pictures and proof was posted along with stories. Now lets see the HP output of your engine :P:P
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it's a secret:o
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| posted on November 25th, 2003 at 05:12 PM |
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Everyone has seen my dyno sheet, a whole 93.6hp @ the wheels.
Jak
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harping on a tired issue
1. There is no way on this planet that the average joe can get a jap motor in a VW for $1000 and have it roadworthy, and insured/registered. Wes, put
the bong down.
2. If you listen VERY carefully to the posts in the "NEW! Engine Conversion" section, you can hear a solitary cricket chirping... but there
does seem to be some interest in my rat-eating section I apologise
for adding all my pointless remarks re rat-eating, but it was getting lonely in there.
3. I find it odd that people feel the need to repeatedly express a negative opinion on a simple thread like this. I don't feel the need to seek
out a Philatelic society forum and say "You people spend too much money on stamps, just thought I'd let you and the world know."
surely that analogy isn't too cryptic.:P
now back to the topic: I have a mostly new motor WOOHOOO!!
:bounce:bounce:bounce:bounce:bounce:bounce:bounce:bounce
let sleeping dubs lie
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. Wes, put the bong down.
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Nooooo!!!!!!..........
Peter - you just need to partake to see the true way!
Any way Pete
I just sent a cheque off to Jake for $50,000 US for a 3.9L Type 4!!!
Man - i is gunna spank your behind!!!
NOT! :bounce
Pete
check beer post - youcan come if i can have a drive!!!
Futue te ipsum!!!
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