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 Hutcho
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| posted on November 20th, 2002 at 03:39 PM |
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Quickbug,
Wiring can be a s@#t. When you get the motor, also ask if it comes with the wiring, ecu and knock control sensor. If you can get these, it'll
make your life a hell of a lot easier as an aftermarket one will cost the same as the motor itself or more. Where abouts in Sydney do you live (I live
in Ingleburn)? If your serious, you could come on over and we could yak and you could see for yourself what is involved. I dont know what kind of
relationship you have with your mechanic, but it would probably pay for you to ring around. Ask other people that have done it which mechanics they
got cooperation from. This has already been mentioned, but you should be able to get out of it for about $2500 to $6000 depending how much you do
yourself and who does it. The guys on this forum ARE a wealth of info, so use them, they love it!
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| posted on November 20th, 2002 at 03:49 PM |
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what do these motors cost?
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| posted on November 20th, 2002 at 04:00 PM |
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Hutcho - i'm in Liverpool so you arent far from me - i'd like to come around and see whats what...
I have always used the same mechanic for my vw's and had heaps done with him but i defiantely intend to call around since i just spoke to him
about cost for fitting the ea82t and he says it will be about the same as fitting an ej20t?!?!?!?! :o
I was thinking along the lines of picking up the engine with wiring loom etc so thanks for the backup there...
I cant do much myself - im not good with mechanicals so i'd have to pay drive in drive away costs....
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| posted on November 20th, 2002 at 04:08 PM |
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Quickbug, You have U2U.
Steve.
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| posted on November 20th, 2002 at 04:11 PM |
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Kombi Kid,
Depending which motor you purchase...
I was very recently quoted $1200 for an EA 82T, but to be honest, I dont know if it came with wiring and ecu's. Id just ring every Jap import
place that you have in your phone directory.
Hutcho
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| posted on November 20th, 2002 at 04:15 PM |
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quickbug and anyone else thinking about an ea82t..just realise that it you get the engine from a half cut (unlikly..but a good find if you do) that
the ecu in the vortex is actually in the rear, behaind the seat so chances are it will be gone. If you come across a crashed one you should be right,
although a cheap microtech digi 2 will run this setup easily ... they are pretty cheap second hand from rotary enthusiasts. |
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| posted on November 21st, 2002 at 06:54 PM |
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intercooler?
What would be the advantages of fitting an intercooler (water/air) to the EA82T if any? It would have to be H2O/Air due to the fact that I have
limited fresh air in the mid mounted Spyder. Should I do a compressor temp in and temp out reading first? What do you think a good temperature
differental should be?
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| posted on November 21st, 2002 at 07:43 PM |
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hey
i live in a country area so no jap places around here will have to get on
the phone and ring around when i get a bit of spare time.
if people get prices can they post them here? and where do people place the intercoolers in a kombi what conditions do intercoolers need?
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| posted on November 21st, 2002 at 07:45 PM |
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Have a look at http://photos.yahoo.com/volxrod. Look at the Subaru buggy page. This
was a mates buggy that ran an ea82T. He left it at my place for a few months which gave me a chance to have a good look at it. It was offered to me
for $5500 but I wanted a WRX powered bug. He ended up selling it for $6000 which is pretty good. I think it ran a 14.8 at the last street drags.
The engine cost him $600.00, he picked up a microtech digi series 2 (which I believe are fuel only ecu's) for $500.00 and sent it to microtech
for a subaru fuel map. He removed the distributor and replaced it with a standard electronic ignition distributor (not sure of the engine it came
from). He also replaced the inlet with a ram pod. A Saab bosch blow off valve was installed for about $50.00. I think he made his own adapter plate
and bought a flywheel and clutch from sherman in QLD. It ran a standard swing axle rear end with ea falcon rear brakes and twin pin vw front brakes.
With a bit of patience he made up his own wiring loom for the car.
Even though it's only run a high 14 at the drags it is easly capable of blowing away most cars at the lights and is a great budget alternative to
an EJ20. I'd suggest this conversion use a standard engine as I can't see the point spending mega dollars trying to enhance one.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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| posted on November 21st, 2002 at 10:37 PM |
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hey reub did you end up getting Lawries oval? if so have you taken a camera to it yet?...I need photos!! :bounce
hey speedster..the benifit of the water cooled intercooler on a vw based car is that (obviously) water can absorbe loads of heat energy in relation to
its volume..you can pass this water through a small motorbike intercooler although it actually make little to no difference  as with my application getting sufficent air flow through a bar and fin cooler
is often not possiable (although I think I have a way around this)..anyway back to the topic..Ummm yup the only drawback of a h2o cooler is that after
a few hard runs the cooling system is heat soaked so its actually warming the inlet air..anyway you really have to look at your application..if your
racing then you need constant cooling as you'll spend a great deal of time at WOT, if drag racing then you're only looking at >15sec at
constant WOT or on the road with occasional spurts. Anyway the thing is the cooler the charge the more power you can make + any intercooler is better
than none..the liberty cooler can handle 150kw so that should be good for you..or you could get a series5 RX7 cooler and add a water spray kit that
activates at WOT. Anyway heaps of options check out http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/turbo/intercooler.html
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| posted on November 22nd, 2002 at 08:10 AM |
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Stephen check u2u
Reub
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| posted on November 22nd, 2002 at 03:31 PM |
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does anyone have the specs o9f these engines (EA82T)????? just want to have a look
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| posted on November 23rd, 2002 at 01:30 AM |
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try this site for a basic rundown of the various engines avaliable..also hact the url to get to the forum for additional info 
http://www.ultimatesubaru.net/80s/specs/mechanical/engine-specs.html
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| posted on November 24th, 2002 at 01:44 PM |
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well as this extreamly popular thread comes to an end I'd just like to say I'm really impressed with the interest levels out there for this
conversion. Anyway as I mentioned early on in the piece I'll have a nice page up by the new year with all the info I have collected over the
years. Now if anyone has any more to add..pictures..info whatever I would really appreciate if you would email me with the details :bounce also once
again cheers to Brad for hosting my site...if you're looking for some web space drop him a line Cheers Stephen |
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| posted on January 1st, 2003 at 09:24 PM |
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posted by 555bug
hey speedster..the benifit of the water cooled intercooler on a vw based car is that (obviously) water can absorbe loads of heat energy in relation to
its volume..you can pass this water through a small motorbike intercooler although it actually make little to no difference as with my application getting sufficent air flow through a bar and fin cooler
is often not possiable (although I think I have a way around this)..anyway back to the topic..Ummm yup the only drawback of a h2o cooler is that after
a few hard runs the cooling system is heat soaked so its actually warming the inlet air..anyway you really have to look at your application..if your
racing then you need constant cooling as you'll spend a great deal of time at WOT, if drag racing then you're only looking at >15sec at
constant WOT or on the road with occasional spurts.
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I dont know what you are saying here. How does the subaru cooling system work. Do they have a seperate water system (pump and radiator) for the
intercooler or is it the same engine cooling water used in the intercooler? And the way I read it you dont cool the intercooler water at all?
I have used both water-to-air and air-to-air in both road cars and race cars. In the race car the water was crap. USELESS! Cos I'd have a
"run" and every thing would be fine. Switch the engine off while waiting for the next run, and the whole time the water is soaking up heat.
Then when the time come for the next run there wasnt enough time for it to cool down, and of course sitting in the pits there is no airflow. Spent
money boxing in my air to air then cut it off again.
On a road car things are different. Air to air was good enough, but water is better. You're never on the gas long enough for things to get too
hot, and there's a constant airflow past the radiator keeping things cool. You must have this water circulating through a radiator though. My
kombi was overheating when my pump wasnt working. The hot intake air was killing it. I guess this wouldnt be as big problem with a subaru engine
though.
If you have enough room for a radiator to cool engine water you should have enough room for something to cool intercooler water. mount them in the
same place. Im using a corolla radiator (from wreckers) mounted flat to the underside of my kombi. Its got no scoops or fans forcing air through it
yet it is cold all the time. Never even gets slightly warm. So I'm guessing that something from a diahatsu or 121 which are half the size and
only about 1/2" thick would be up to the task.
I'm still yelling "BOOOOO" at using non VW engines though. Even if I have compromised my own principles by adding a water pump. :jesus
<- jesus knows I'm still air cooled at heart.
Chris.... kombi pilot, oval dreamer... finisher #26971 2005 city to surf
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| posted on January 2nd, 2003 at 08:04 AM |
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hey
whats the ristrictions to what lenght an intercooler can be mounted to from the motor???????
cheers
rhys
it aint just cool its aircool'd
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| posted on January 2nd, 2003 at 05:08 PM |
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there's no restrictions, there is no limit that things stop working. You can use it as far away as you like. But the further away it gets the
more system volume you have, meaning you get more lag. As close as physically possible is the right place for it.
Chris.... kombi pilot, oval dreamer... finisher #26971 2005 city to surf
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| posted on January 2nd, 2003 at 07:28 PM |
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thanks chris!
cheers
rhys
it aint just cool its aircool'd
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