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| posted on June 6th, 2003 at 09:52 PM |
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Everybody on this site has installed software.
The majority of users would have installed Microsoft Software.
At the time of installation you are required to accept the license agreement if you dont accept you dont get to use the software.
How many ppl have actually read all of the license agreement ? how many have contacted Microsoft to try and negotiate it ?.
Simply put everyone accepts the agreement because they want the product installed and they want to use it.
Spook - i can see where your coming from , but as every case is going to be unique the only thing the mods can do as a group is treat each case as it
occurs. - maybe the statement to use would be something like "any post which may threaten the future of, or cause a financial impact to http://www.aussieveedubers.com will be removed "
I think that would be wide enough to give the mods the authority they need.
For example if two members calling each other names then its fairly obvious that there would be no threat to aussieveedubbers.
Well wotcha think ?
PS Spook - I have been told that I'm the most reasonable person in the world - apart from everybody else 
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| posted on June 6th, 2003 at 10:15 PM |
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I've not said your not a reasonable man brother.
I have asked a straight forward question regarding what is being proposed, you just happen to be the example..........
But it also goes back to the 1st thing I asked on the 1st post.
A 3rd party has taken offence to what I have directed at someone else. How is that going to work?
Funnily enough my questions have not been answered.
But the more sinister side of it is as you said, all cases will be unique, BUT, why would it be up to a moderator, or group thereof, to decide
anything?
They've already been told someone, for some reason has found a post offensive.
Someone is offended, or they are not.
What's to discuss??
[Edited on 6-6-2003 by Spook]
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| posted on June 6th, 2003 at 11:07 PM |
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Spook no offense taken - just "crackin a funny"
The reason I made the suggestion of using my statement.
"any post which may threaten the future of, or cause a financial impact to http://www.aussieveedubers.com will be removed "
Is that it doesn't refer to anyone being offended.
Some ppl here would be offended with my signature - but it is clearly not going to "threaten the future..." etc.
It would be up to a moderator to make the decision because that is precisley the kind of function a mod postion is meant to control. They
"Moderate" the Forum.
Someone will have to do it or the Forum will cease to exist.
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| posted on June 7th, 2003 at 08:05 AM |
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Protection of the forum;
"The messages express the views of the author of the message, not necessarily the views of the forum........"
" You remain solely responsible for the content of your message, and you agree to indemnify.....this forum......with respect to any
claim..."
There is a bit about threaten legal action & your out on your arse, leave the bit about copyright, & although I've yet to see a pyramid
scheme or chain letter on here, you can have that bit if you like.
Plus, the disclaimer at the bottom of each page.
Forum protected. Period.
As to the rest of it, I don't think it needs to be re-worded. It needs to be scrapped altogether.
Aside from the gaping holes I have already pointed out, let me walk you in the other direction.
Where are the penalties?
For every set rule there must logically be a set penalty for a breach of the said rule.
I can find only one.
Who will decide if your to be penalised & how?
But then;
"You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this forum to post any material which is knowingly false........."
Knowingly???
Let me assure you good people over the past 41 years I have made some mistakes.
But, like 99.9% of the population, I tend to find out I'm wrong AFTER the event.
Therefore the statement "I didn't know" makes this rule null & void, unless someone wants to call you a liar, which is harrassment
& therefore not allowed..
Confused yet??
I object to the use of the word "HARRASS".
In the last 10 years, harrassment has become the broadest term in the Engish language,
My fear is, with a "thou shalt not'
set of rules, no clear penalties, no clear avenue of appeal, & the fact that you will now be obligated to be aware of the sensibilties of 1100
people you have never met, not just the person you are directly replying to, no one will be game to speak their mind.
The forum will degenerate into mindless chit chat.
And THAT, boys & girls will be the end of the forum.
Rules to protect the forum by all means we don't need the rest..........
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| posted on June 7th, 2003 at 12:09 PM |
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Out of all the posting on this particular thread I have to AGREE with spook's comments.
1. When I was INVITED to this forum there were no rules as such.
2. Rules have been forced upon me and other members of this forum. Some of which were given with no warning.
3. If you want people to accept your NEW rules them you MUST have everyone register again.
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| posted on June 7th, 2003 at 06:46 PM |
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Michael,
fair enough. You have until June 30 to help make the rules more accomodating to your tastes. 
After that, you will need to agree to the new rules, and if you don't like them, your ability to post will be disabled.
I will be putting up draft 3 after dinner.
Andrew
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| posted on June 8th, 2003 at 05:52 AM |
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Then I'll make no further comment until I see #3......
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| posted on June 8th, 2003 at 07:16 PM |
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This is a forum for the humble VW and their owners…not a site of national security or importants…. get over it
click the "accept" button to the NEW rules and regulations and get on with life or better yet, get one.
written and authorized by ‘DakDat’
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| posted on June 8th, 2003 at 08:44 PM |
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wHAT IS WRONG WITH JUST HAVING A DISCLAIMER AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FORUM AND THEN HAVING TO CLICK THE AGREE BUTTON TO ENTER, THE DISCLAIMER COULD SAY
ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK AND ANY COMMENTS ARE NOT THE VIEWS OF THE FORUM OPERATORS.
tHAT SHOULD INDEMNIFY THEM AGAINST LEGAL ACTION.
tHEN WE CAN GET BACK TO HOW IT WAS WHEN WE ALL FIRST STARTED POSTING.
aND THANKS JIM YOU HAVE JUST MADE ME REALISE I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 2 YEARS,,,,,COULD HAVE SPENT THAT TIME ON THE KOMBI.
CHEERS
DAVE
I cant believe we are having to make this forum so complicated, if you look at some of the U.K. forums you see topics and comments we wouldnt even
think of posting,
But no one complains they just get on with it.
The VW scene here is about 5% of the size of the U.K. scene, yes that is just a guess, but you know what I mean.
Anyway lets just get back to doing what we come here for, good topics and even better debates, if you dont like a comment ask someone to explain why
they made that comment.
Lets just all chill out.
Too many rules makes jack a fu#ken boring pri#k
Cheers
Dave
[Edited on 8-6-2003 by 57kombi]
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| posted on June 8th, 2003 at 08:53 PM |
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Because Dakdat, as soon as you click the accept button THAT post would be gone...
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| posted on June 8th, 2003 at 08:59 PM |
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Hey Spook.
We still standing up for the little guy.!!!
That little guy is called free speech
Cheers
Dave
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| posted on June 8th, 2003 at 10:10 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Spook
Because Dakdat, as soon as you click the accept button THAT post would be gone...
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I know all about posts being removed...
but in the long run, who gives a fuck...it's just one of a thousand forums on WWW.
So if the powers to be want to ******, so be it, I won't lose any sleep, will you?
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 06:25 AM |
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I give a fuck!
I've been here from the outset & I have no doubt become wiser for the effort.
There's been debate, discussion & hours of amusement.
But it's the amusement part that will suffer the most, if not put down altogether.
Case study 1.
A debate on whether a beetle is still streamline, got a little heated between Wes & myself.
Jim told us to stop fighting.
My next post went along the lines of; we aren't fighting it's just Wes proving when your young you know everything.
Wes's response was roughly: when you get to Spooks age you get senile & forget.
Innocent enough, a lot funnier if you see the rest of the thread.
Now add these rules.
Vilification on the basis of age- Illegal-Gone.
With Wes & myself on a charge of breaching the rules that we clicked a 'yes' button to, thereby giving an undertaking to abide by them.
Case study 2;
Our glorious lord & master posts a photo of a VERY well endowed young lady in a tank top & a pair of shorts (that she must have used a
shoehorn to get on).
Now every post on this thread used words like headlights, high beam, over riders, airbags, headrest.
Not one said"get a load of the tits on that".
But that's what they all meant.
One of the new rules; thou shalt not post anything sexually orientated.
So the picture could stay because she was fully clad, but EVERY subsequent post is removed!!!
And every one of us who had a comment, again, breaching the rules we agreed to.
That's a lot of senior members that just got black balled.
Dave, I'm all for freedom of speech, but even I know a line has got to be drawn somewhere.
Things like direct abuse & direct threats have no place here. Never have had. But the moderators have always had the power to remove that, &
it's been done before.
But by the same token, you can't take away someones right to be an arsehole.
And for the record Dakdat, some of my posts have been removed too.
However I do think I get away with a little more than most.
But as I said, I give a fuck.
There are a lot of forums on the net, but THIS FORUM is the one that I have watched grow & I like to think that my input has in some way shaped
that growth.
I am as passionate about this forum as anyone here, probably more so than many & I will not stand by & watch it be crippled through fear.
Because that is what it's all about.
Fear of some kind of repercussion.........
Now where's draft 3 Andrew? I've been waiting 2 days & the clock is ticking.
[Edited on 8-6-2003 by Spook]
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 11:03 AM |
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Heh heh heh.
You guys are so funny.
I love you all. Great to see you haven't been wasting your weekend.
On this topic, I can't remember what Colin said but I agreed with it when I read it a couple of pages back. I to give a F**k as I have seen the
forum grow like Spook, Dave, Brad, Rhys etc. I would hate to see it go, and yes I could go to another forum but it would not be the same. I see all
sides of the story and each are valid I believe. In some way there is over reaction but this is better than complacency. Before this date then I happy
medium will hopefully have been reached.
The ongoing rivalry is healthy. I disagree when it becomes personal.
Long live the forum.
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 11:14 AM |
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New version is up.
Spook, I tried including some of your points regarding simplification and clarification, but realistically, that doesn't provide us with the
protection we need from potentially harmful posts. I totally understand where you're coming from, but I need you to understand, we cannot be as
laissez faire as we were. The old friendly way got us threatened several times, and we came extraordinarily close to being sued. At the moment, even
if we wanted to, I doubt we could now obtain public liability insurance based upon our prior history. My, Jim's or Brad's house is not worth
the principle of free speech in this instance.
We don't take action against the overwhelming and vast majority of posts - at this stage any particular post has an approximately 0.01% chance
(ie 10/52300) of being deleted.
These rules are to catch those very, very, very few posts that cause us and / or someone on this board real harm.
Andrew
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 11:30 AM |
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I just had a read and they seem to be fine.
Basically they reflect common sence. Those that don't have any can read the agreement.
You still have freedom to say what you like but an awarness of what is acceptable has been defined. A margin of error is allowable so if you cross the
line continually you are warned and so on.
More importantly an internal forum of moderators decides what is 'reasonable' and not one person. Still one person has the right to remove a
post like everyone has the right to report offending posts but then if that moderator is being unreasonable then the post is returned.
I agree that shorter would not be better and I don't think the ask is too great. I agree with Spooks concerns. They are valid. Still we might
need a 4th draft. Keep the debate going. This is your forum - we need a happy medium between workable and acceptable yet still retain the character we
love about this place.
For those that are interested - my camping long weekend was great.
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 11:30 AM |
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Reads really well Andrew.
Reasonably informal. Does it cover the legals?
Re-word the opening statement?
"Aussieveedubbers is an informal VW web based forum to connect people from all over Australia (and other parts of the world ) and discuss all
sorts of topics about Volkswagens and associated makes, organize events, and so on. We hope that you have a good time here, make some good friends,
attend a few events, and get more out of your Volkswagen. "
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my point...
i'm relatively new to this forum.
have tried reading a lot of posts new and old. to either help my vw knowledge and or to humour me cause some of it is so interesting. it's like
sitting at the pub with a couple of mates just taking our time sipping a quiet one while we banter on about shit and tell the usual stories and watch
what goes on around us. we are entertaining ourselves and or learning from anothers experience.
i really have looked at this forum in this way. not everyone agrees at the pub. some are louder than others. some more drunk. some cracking onto
others women and so on. but it wouldn't be the same with out all that. those that go, know and understand and dont go complaining about it. those
that dont, go to the cafe, or library or where ever else it is. maybe another pub.
i believe i am in agreeance with spook. the forum won't exist if people can not have there point of view. everyone has the right to there point
and if i don't agree with what someone is saying then i will express it,or ignore it. these are my choices and i accept it. if i am posting
something with content that is NOT the MAJORITY then my headline will say so. i think that if some one then decides to read it, then it was there
choice. people can never complain about choices. i went on a bike trip to phillip island one year. chose to go. i chose to go fast with the fast
group. i new what the risks were. i wrote the bike off, on the way home. i dont complain about it and blame someone else or attack the guy who was
leading. you just learn from it and get on with living life. this is what life is about. i now have another and am looking forward to phillip island
again. i take porn for example( only because there is a previous history with this), anyone can view it any where so who cares. there are a lot of
people that get on the internet, ( or go to a newsagency) but they dont see porn unless they look. i dont understand, if some one titles it
accordingly then only those that are interested will/should view, therefor no prob. same as telling a rude joke in the pub. "excuse me ladies
i'm about to say something rude, ". if the ladies are down with it then they stay if not they powder there nose. i know ladies of both
persuasions and have caused no offence to either yet. and i am one for using expressions of colour regularly.
i think that we as a society are made to sufer by the few. take the council that banned ham sandwiches because of the minor few that complained....
this is real sad as australia is about ham sandwiches and these few come here for what we have, dont they. people will come to aussie veedubbers for
what we have. a family of dubbers that respect each other enough to say how they feel and expect what they get...
it should be about majority. remember in school there was always more than a couple of groups of kids in your form. there was a majority then there
were the geeks, the slow, the flirts, the abbos, and the just wierd ones. ( i know there are a lot of vw groups and some dont agree with others.)
there is no way that these groups can work to gether. i do not think by any amount of compromise could it ever be harmonious. but then why should it.
each group finds there own and accept it.
i believe this is the group of VW's and there passionate owners. i believe that we should be allowed to banter and talk and discuss and in some
cases larf at ourselves. i dont believe that any amount of rules should be made to take the passion out of it.
they should be simple rules such as 'respect your fellow veedubber' , 'your opinion is your own, state it with out slagging'.
'not everyone will agree with you, be strong and accept any critism that comes your way. it will help you grow and you will aquire more vw's
as a result' should apply. the forum then has its disclaimer and so be it. it is a means of expression only. those that speak should understand
their own responsibilty and that should be the limit of it. if we want just make everyone who joins type the following in their first post... " i
hereby accept that aussieveedubbers consist of a group of vw fans. and is an oportunity to discuss vw cars, life, love, freedom, politics or anything
else that takes my interest at the moment. my title subject should clearly state what i intend to discuss. my opinion is my own and no responsibility
is taken by the forum or moderators. i expect all sorts of responses and look forward to them.... and i lust my volkswagen." this is simple and
their worlds would open up to the joy of our forum.
i noticed that there are a lot of members that dont use the forum. that join for what ever reason other than that to participate. when the site was
down i noticed one member that has joined just to get exposure for there site, never made a post. i would suggest that if members haven't activly
used the post in the first month they should be booted. if they are serious they will join again, just like the kid trying to get into the group of
his/her choice. if not it shouldn't worry the rest of us. it is up to the individual to make the effort. we want to encourage active veedubbers
to be active members not any body who stumbles accross the site. quality rather than quantity.
i am of the opinion that if i am going to say something on my mind then i will. i should be allowed. my opinions are my own and reflect my thoughts
and interpretations and will bring about my own consequences. i expect to get those that agree and those that dont. i expect to be ignored, challenged
or accepted, BUT NOT DELETED. i look forward to putting an idea or observation out there just to see the response.
SPOOK it is good that you speak up. you speak for yourself and your right to chat contest and challenge all fellow dubbers. i would also like this
right. i also find that some things just seem to go too far. hope to see you at nambucca. will buy you a beer.
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Seems fine to me,
"advertising non-VW related items, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are inappropriate on this forum"
Are we still open to sponsorship from non VW businesses ?
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 05:11 PM |
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Hi Twoguns
Totally agree with you apart from the bit about booting people off if they havent posted in a month.
I visit every day , have done since it started but I havent made a comment every day, some times I wont post for a number of weeks, until I feel i
have something to say or feel passionate about,
I understand what you mean, there have been a number of people who have joined this site just to advertise there own site.
But it doesnt harm the site, I remember Jim letting people know of this site on Total VW site, it is how we learn of other sites.
Who cares if someone comes on the site just to sell something,,,,a member might pick up a bargain.
We should all remember we have been given commonsense(some more than others) and we should use it.
Cheers
Dave
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no im not worried for what reason anyone comes here for.
i just would hope that they will participate, and i hope that those that dont participate also dont have a right to complain.
i just heard people say 'oh look how we've grown... over a thousand now its real good.' but not a thousand participate. i worry
about a minority ruining it for all of us. this is all.
Simply Cruzin'...
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With statements like that you should go into politics. Is anyone who disagrees placed in the minority? I think we should restrict argument on
important matters to those with at least 250 posts. Maybe to those that have been here at least 12 months. How you feeling now?
I have a simple solution where you can make your own rules. (i've posted one before that was possibly too harsh) The new solution is for you to
sign over your house and any other belongings you may have as security. Its easy enough for you to sit there and say lets not have rules, when you
dont have anything to lose.
Chris.... kombi pilot, oval dreamer... finisher #26971 2005 city to surf
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 07:27 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Are we still open to sponsorship from non VW businesses ?
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Sponsorship is a different kettle of fish. I don't know why a non-VW sponsor would want to come aboard, but I'm not going to stop them.
This rule is to stop "Please buy my Amway" or "Here's a nice Nigerian gentleman who I think needs help laundering his cash".
Look at various group buys and the Fuchs and stuff going at the moment. I think we've got a reasonable balance there. I hope that the VW shops
that sell stuff like that here could sponsor us and then use us as a method of getting stuff moved.
Andrew
[Edited on 10-6-2003 by vanderaj]
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 07:31 PM |
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i worry about a minority ruining it for all of us. this is all.
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You hit it on the head. A few members have gone too far, and caused us legal grief. The legal grief aspect has spoiled it for the rest of us. I'd
love for there to be no rules and we just live within the Australian legal framework. But sorry, it's gone too far too often for my tastes.
Let's get a set of rules that is a good mix between laissez faire and comprehensively arse covering that we can all live with.
Andrew
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 08:17 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by twoguns
i worry about a minority ruining it for all of us. this is all.
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You hit it on the head. A few members have gone too far, and caused us legal grief. The legal grief aspect has spoiled it for the rest of us. I'd
love for there to be no rules and we just live within the Australian legal framework. But sorry, it's gone too far too often for my tastes.
Let's get a set of rules that is a good mix between laissez faire and comprehensively arse covering that we can all live with.
Andrew
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mmm..Andrew, is this directed to me? if so, would be happy to post the e-mail's sent , by Brad, stating it was him who suggested to name *** not
I
you ppl don't know when to quit and to except blame..
May I suggest 'grow up'
lets see how long this post lasts..:puke
[Edited on 9-6-2003 by DakDat]
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 08:25 PM |
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I see no problem with the new rules, basically because I have no plans to break them. :thumb
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I agree with KruizinKombi. I post how I live, and that is by respecting those around me.
I do censor my own posts. I think that if something that I'm posting could be taken the wrong way, I don't post it. It's as simple as
that.
I'm also get the feeling that a minority is trying to spoil the forum for the majority because they can't get their own way. Accept the
rules as necessary for the Forum's longevity and get on with the posting.
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 08:28 PM |
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However, there have been other legal threats in the last month or two (think of the 1916 threads), and I want examples like these and any future
threats against us to stop, or at least be minimized to those where we actually have something to answer for.
Andrew
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Is this why they have been removed / hidden?
VW car, VW engine ...... keepin it "real"
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Among other reasons, yes.
Andrew
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That's much better Andrew.
For those of you who came in late, as each draft has been posted the one before was deleted. So a lot of the arguement may not make sense.
But believe me when I tell you the most misguided statement was, in my opinion- I have no plans to break them!! (sorry Col)
Draft 1&2 were that vague you would not have known til you got chastised over it.
An example is a post somewhere on the forum right now (I aint going looking for it) makes comment about rednecks with 5 top teeth.
Now the only other person on this forum that would know why I might find that offensive is Bronze......The Spook has 8 & a half top teeth. (no
bullshit).
How easily could that have offended me if I didn't have a sense of humour.
But there's no way it would have been intentional.
There was a clause about posts being (among other things) knowingly hateful.
Was this comment knowingly hateful?
Well, seeing as it began with "what I hate is", that would be a big yes.
So a member is insulted & another member gone.
Intentional??
Because this person has never set eyes on me, of course it wasn't, but rules are rules, and they are broken.
Intentionally or otherwise.
How many people mean to get booked on the road??
#3 is is a marked improvement
The rules are clear, the penalty is clear & you've left some leeway for those of us who are, shall we say, more colourful than
others.....
Offensive is the only broad based term left in it, as everyone has their own idea what is offensive. Still, I suppose we can't get by without
it.
If that remains the final draft, then I can agree to it.
I never thought I'd say it, but, well done Andrew.
(and yes that DID fucking hurt... )
[Edited on 10-6-2003 by Spook]
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
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| posted on June 10th, 2003 at 09:18 AM |
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Oh my God! I need to go buy a Tatts ticket
The deadline of June 30 stands, so if there's more useful feedback for it to then, it'll be incorporated, but that's good news that
we're nearly there.
I need to develop a few things to make the new agreement pop up on the date, but that's fairly easy compared to writing policy nearly everyone is
happy with.
Andrew
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