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 Rizzon
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with any luck it may lead to the extinction of bagged mini-trucks
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Wow. That’s a really constructive comment
Thing is, I bet a lot of these ‘bagged mini trucks’ have had more extensive work, engineering and safety testing than a lot of VW (and other)
enthusiasts vehicles ever have had. In fact, most would be a lot safer then a lot of narrowed and lowered vw’s, the amount of engineering and safety
testing that goes into them.
These new rules limit what the automotive community can do. Rather than hacking out other enthusiasts, how about doing something constructive?
I think the idea to have to engineer a vehicle after the vehicle is lowered at all in part a good thing. As has been said, it makes our roads safer.
Thing is, if the vehicle can be engineered at being safe after being lowered more than 50mm (with appropriate testing), then why make a limit?
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| posted on July 21st, 2009 at 08:37 PM |
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The MAXIMUM you will be able to lower your car is 50mm (that’s not even 2 inches!)
All the cars currently registered are sweet, because it only affects mods done after the introductory date. But if in a couple months time I find a
sweet stocker bug, the maximum I can lower it is 50mm, and even if I lower it a meazly inch I will need a full engineers report (which also jacks the
price of the whole process up). It also means if I find a nice kombi interstate and it has been lowered 2 inches, I am not able to lower it because it
is has been too wildly modified.
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i don't see that in the PDF as far as lowering is concerned........maximum raise is listed as 50mm but then there are loop holes there in which the
manufacturer or aftermarket parts to manufacturers specs....can run lifted vehicle heights
yes you are right as far as "blue" slipping cars from interstate to NSW rego.......all over 
GOOD POINT on bags being able to "chassis park".....yep stuffed if the bag blows
BUT BUT BUT.......are others reading it as lowering can be engineered as long as the gradient, 1 meter from axle and mid point requirements are
met???
 ......wonder how an adjustable beam will go as they would allow the
car to be lowered below the minimum clearence
QLD here i come 
as far as the bagged truck brigade is concerned, some of their antics displayed at the "half way havoc" meet held here attracted a WHOLE HEAP of
negative attention on themselves from authorities much much higher than themselves.......i'm tyring real hard to convince myself that the majority of
us aren't paying for the stupidity of a select few 
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| posted on July 21st, 2009 at 09:02 PM |
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posted by hellbugged
i don't see that in the PDF as far as lowering is concerned........maximum raise is listed as 50mm but then there are loop holes there in which the
manufacturer or aftermarket parts to manufacturers specs....can run lifted vehicle heights
BUT BUT BUT.......are others reading it as lowering can be engineered as long as the gradient, 1 meter from axle and mid point requirements are
met???
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This VSI is intended to advise vehicle owners, operators and persons registered as engineering signatories on the Road and Traffic Authority's
(RTA's) Engineering Certificate System (ECS), of the requirements for raising or lowering vehicles from their originally designed and manufactured
conditions. Apart from minor wheel changes allowed in VSI No. 9 Guidelines for alternative wheels and tyres, it establishes that any raising
or lowering of a vehicle from its original height is a major modification, and it limits the change in ride height intended to be used on roads or
road related areas to +/- 50mm
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| posted on July 21st, 2009 at 09:29 PM |
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Everyone sign the petition
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/94/help-save-the-future-of-modified-cars-in-nsw
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http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/group.php?gid=104976967698&ref=nf
Facebook Group started too...
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posted by Rizzon
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posted by Joel
with any luck it may lead to the extinction of bagged mini-trucks
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Wow. That’s a really constructive comment
Thing is, I bet a lot of these ‘bagged mini trucks’ have had more extensive work, engineering and safety testing than a lot of VW (and other)
enthusiasts vehicles ever have had. In fact, most would be a lot safer then a lot of narrowed and lowered vw’s, the amount of engineering and safety
testing that goes into them.
These new rules limit what the automotive community can do. Rather than hacking out other enthusiasts, how about doing something constructive?
I think the idea to have to engineer a vehicle after the vehicle is lowered at all in part a good thing. As has been said, it makes our roads safer.
Thing is, if the vehicle can be engineered at being safe after being lowered more than 50mm (with appropriate testing), then why make a limit?
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oh trust me u dont want to open that can of worms
a few of my mates are head over heels about there precious lo-deos and couriers and i hang shit on them for it just like they give me shit for driving
a vw
its just taking the piss all in good fun
and thats exactly the point ive been making since this thread started
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hi, i'm in WA, im building a baja bug. i lost the origional permit to modify they wont issue another but they do want the car to meet the new
rules!
the way i read it, you are allowed a max 50mm body lift (i got a 50mm lift kit) so i think i'm ok!
the car is now alot lighter due to the fibre glass panels, and the gas shocks also lift the suspension slightly, because of this the pits guys say the
body is not 50mm higher but 80mm higher cos they add the suspension "lift" as well.
they want an engineers cert, and a swerve test all at my expense and liability!!
so what is the height of a bog standard bug? does any one know where i can find factory specs measured to the roof?
i have a couple of options,
remove lift kit all together
lower suspension and keep lift kit,
dent roof in to reduce overall height of car
suggestions guys please!
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i don't see that in the PDF as far as lowering is concerned........maximum raise is listed as 50mm but then there are loop holes there in which the
manufacturer or aftermarket parts to manufacturers specs....can run lifted vehicle heights
BUT BUT BUT.......are others reading it as lowering can be engineered as long as the gradient, 1 meter from axle and mid point requirements are
met???
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This VSI is intended to advise vehicle owners, operators and persons registered as engineering signatories on the Road and Traffic Authority's
(RTA's) Engineering Certificate System (ECS), of the requirements for raising or lowering vehicles from their originally designed and manufactured
conditions. Apart from minor wheel changes allowed in VSI No. 9 Guidelines for alternative wheels and tyres, it establishes that any raising
or lowering of a vehicle from its original height is a major modification, and it limits the change in ride height intended to be used on roads or
road related areas to +/- 50mm
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yeah, got it now........thanx
i'm now definately moving to QLD
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| posted on July 22nd, 2009 at 11:35 AM |
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Hi
Thanks hewey, didn't read that section, I only read the lowering part of it.
I spoke to my engineer today, there is no way around this and worse, if you have adjustable suspension you have to fit a physical stop so that the car
can not be made any lower.
The 600mm headlight centre height is still there, so most Beetles that were too low for this 50mm rule would fail this test anyway.
Steve
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| posted on July 23rd, 2009 at 11:11 PM |
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Hi
This is what some of the 4WD boys are up to on this matter http://www.4wdaction.com.au/new_rta_height_and_lift_laws/
Steve
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well my plans to move rego due date away from christmas by re registering the car on a fully engineer approved 76 pan are in tatters
now.............wondering where this has left your project Steve (PM if you prefer)....
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ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN
Send email, letters, faxes, make phone calls. Go and sit in the office until someone speaks to you! Joining a Facebook group and signing a petition
will not do anything!
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This list covers Roads, Emergency Services, Small Business, Transport Industry, State premier, Environmental and Opposition members
Prime Minister Rudd - use the Contact your PM form at this website
http://www.pm.gov.au/ - copy paste in your original email that you've sent to your ministers - making sure you paste in a
copy of all the email addreses you've sent it to.
Send ONE email with all the ministers cc's in - they need to see that everyone else has the email - especially the opposition - so they will be
jerked into action.
thepremier@www.nsw.gov.au
LOP@parliament.nsw.gov.au
office@daley.minister.nsw.gov.au
sharon.armstrong@lands.nsw.gov.au
michael.gallacher@parliament.nsw.gov.au
david@campbell.minister.nsw.gov.au
willoughby@parliament.nsw.gov.au
northshore@parliament.nsw.gov.au
albury@parliament.nsw.gov.au
office@whan.minister.nsw.gov.au
melinda.pavey@parliament.nsw.gov.au
duncan..@parliament.nsw.gov.au
macdonald.office@macdonald.minister.nsw.gov.au
Andrew Stoner is the Shadow Roads minister and Mr Daley's direct opposition.
Mr Andrew Stoner;
Address
37 Elbow Street,
WEST KEMPSEY NSW 2440
Postal
Mr Andrew Stoner,
PO Box 120,
WEST KEMPSEY NSW 2440
Phone (02) 6562 6190
Fax (02) 6563 1355
Email oxley@parliament.nsw.gov.au
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Hi Damian
Bad luck with your project, I hope you can do something with it.
I think can actually live with a 50mm drop, the worst thing is having to limit my height adjusting stops, if I happen to change spring rate I may run
out of adjustment.
Headlight height was always a big issue and is going to a bigger one in future, just measuring my daily 1303 its headlight height a little below the
600 minimum. I thought about combating that buy fitting 5 3/4 sealed beams in the headlights and moving them to the top of the headlight bucket, but
that will only raise the headlight height by about 16mm.
My other 1303 with the STI motor has Aero guards which have a slightly higher headlight bucket so I should be OK there.
Steve
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Looking for a set of cheap BJ drop spindles - let me know.
T54
C'mon kids gather round,
there's a new sensation hitting town,
It's moving straight, low to the ground,
it'll pick you up when your feeling down.
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... a few journos and aftermarket industry bodies etc etc have been on this case since last friday, implementation of VSI50 appears to be a
logistically unworkable situation,
so don't sell or give away anything yet...
Pay your debts, CxxT
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Just found this on another site...
PRESS RELEASE
AAAA: New NSW Government suspension regulations a farce
In an attempt to hamper modifications made by “car hoons”, on 16 July the NSW Minister for Roads Michael Daley announced changes in regulation
that will cause havoc for both the automotive industry and thousands of drivers on NSW roads with minor, currently legal suspension modifications.
The Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association (AAAA) is outraged by this poorly conceived new regulation. The AAAA is the national industry
association representing over 1250 manufacturers, distributors, wholesalers, importers and retailers of automotive parts and accessories, tools and
equipment.
The Minister announced the new regulation in a media statement headed “Tough new rules for car hoons” and said the regulation will take effect
from 1 August 2009. The regulation will mean that virtually all suspension modifications and wheel and tyre upgrades will require certification by
authorised engineers.
AAAA Executive Director Stuart Charity said this announcement shocked both the industry and driver groups alike. “The industry has worked closely
with governments nationally for many years to develop and promote vehicle modification guidelines designed to meet appropriate road safety
requirements,” said Stuart Charity. “The industry is alarmed at this unilateral and unreasonable announcement.
“Neither the industry nor key driver advocacy groups have been consulted regarding this new regulation. No consideration has been taken of the
impact that this proposed regulation will have on the wide range of road using industries that must make suspension modifications to their vehicles to
improve safety and load carrying capability. Among these roads users are the building, construction, mining and rural industries.
“In addition, there are thousands of private vehicle owners that make suspension modifications to tow their animals, boats and caravans, or simply
to improve vehicle handling across a range of driving conditions,” he said.
Unproven assumptions
Stuart Charity said the Minister, or his advisors, made untrue assumptions about the facts of suspension modification and in the language used to
announce this proposal.
“Firstly – and unbelievably – they assumed that if you modify the suspension on your vehicle, you are a ‘car hoon’. There is absolutely no
evidence to suggest that this is fact. Recent AAAA research actually revealed that about 80% of the end users of modified suspension are aged between
26 and 49 years of age. Owners of 4WD vehicles are one of the largest groups making aftermarket suspension modifications and 66% of them are aged
between 36 and 49 years. So, the major users of aftermarket suspension modifications are not the 18 to 25 years old high risk group. We also know that
‘hoon drivers’ are only a small portion of the 18 to 25 years old group.
“Secondly, they assumed that if suspension modifications are tougher to access, then there will be less hoon behaviour on NSW roads. The reality is
that those who behave illegally on the road are also likely to make illegal suspension alterations.
“A third issue is many of the modifications outlined in the Minister’s press release that will require engineering approval, are legal in every
other state in Australia, making this ‘NSW only’ scenario unworkable.
“Finally, the automotive aftermarket industry is totally dismayed at the arrogance exhibited by this announcement. This industry has an annual
turnover of $5 billion, exports of $600 million and employs 30,000 people. In NSW, the AAAA membership is 400 companies employing 8,000 people. The
AAAA enjoys close working relationships with NSW Government organisations, including the Road Transport Authority, which appears to have ignored an
independent engineers report on the improved safety performance of suspension lift modifications submitted in June 2009.
“Given that the automotive aftermarket invests significant resources to ensure that road safety is paramount in the design, engineering and
performance of aftermarket products, it is impossible to understand how the industry’s long term contribution could be ignored on this occasion.
“The real issue is that in trying to target ‘car hoons’, the NSW Minister has attacked the wrong ‘cause’. Hoon driving is a driver behaviour
issue. It is not a vehicle suspension issue, or even a vehicle modification issue.
“We call on the Minister to immediately withdraw this ill-conceived, unworkable regulation and to engage in appropriate stakeholder consultation
with a view to developing common sense laws that have the support of key industry and driver groups,” said Stuart Charity.
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...........front and rear must be lowered equal amounts...............
there goes the "raked" look
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thats fuked and they can go eat a dick. im not changing how my car is for anyone, especially not for some half-witted fat cats who probably have never
even been in a properly lowered vehicle.
iv been building my car for racing so why would i make modifications that make it "less safe" or "handle worse"??? that would just defeat the
purpose.
im not denying that there are fukwits out there that have totally ridiculous and unsafe cars, but why fuk it all up for everybody else, the "big
boys" are too lazy to do anything about it and are just creating a 'blanket' regulation that will only piss people off and fill their already
over-flowing back pockets with more of our hard earned $$$ while the people who have dangerous cars will continue to do their own thing and fly under
the radar.
I just came back from the RTA and got a printout out the Vehicle standards information regarding the lowering and raising of vehicles, highlighted
the bit where is says it only applies to vehicles that have been modified or presented for inspection after 31/07/09 and printed out dated photos of
when my car was lowered aswell as a letter stating all the details of the modification. i signed the bottom, dated it and had a witness do the same.
it is now in a seal envelope in my glove box and if any piggies try to give me shit about my car im just going to throw it at them!
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If you think this doesn't effect you think again...
There are 76 Vehicle Standards bulletins that the RTA has formulated over the years. This is the tip of the iceberg.
These have ALL been rewritten by the NSW centre for road safety. VSI 50 (suspension) is the only first of the VSB's to be replaced. Just wait to
they get the emmisions and engine mods one through!!!)
At first these standards appear to be shodily written and leave lots of grey areas. This is not unintentional. When you read it again, notice that
the onus is no longer on them to prove you are doing the wrong thing...it's on the vehicle owner to prove they can not exceed the standards. So an
adjustable suspension set to a fully legal height will be illegal.
Your current engineers certificate will be honoured...until you get defected, then you'll need a new certificate and blue slip, to comply to the new
standards...not going to happen.
Want to get a new blue slip...for his $63 the blue slip guy will have to go through all the old stuff plus new paperwork- for suspension changes
there's now 83 points they must check, notarize and sign off on. Reckon they'll welcome doing all that work and risking their livelyhood and massive
fines for 63 bucks?
New standards for engineers certificates have not been announced yet ( they WILL be coming) it appears very likely they'll include an abridged brake
test and swerve test. Think $6000 to $8000 for an attempt at this...Book and hire a race track for a day at a time that suits the RTA, pro driver and
your engineer. Trust me- a new HSV with the big brake package will really struggle to pass. ( 10 x repeated 110 kph emergency stops, 10 more on front
brakes only, 10 more on rears only, then the handbrake! all within a prescribed distance, straight line and with out lock up and no degradation in
performance for each group and you can't loose more than 10% of the brake material , effectively ruling out flash pads.)
Then there's the swerve test- equally hard to pass and no care no responsibility if they roll your car. Most new cars wouldn't pass either test, but
it will only be applied to modified...
Supposing you pass all that, and get defected again...the onus will be on you to prove that you still comply- so go and do it all again to the new
standards.
This is much more far reaching than people seem to be understanding...imagine a grey nomad towing a van (annoying as they may be) the turbo kit they
fitted, the heavy duty supension or poly air helper bags they've fitted each now make them unroadworthy and uninsured.
Who's going to bother with any other accessories if they can't get the basics.
The engine standards will basically read if you cant prove the emmisions are not as good as the standrad NEW factory vehicle you cant have them.
Proof of compliance will be by RTA prescribed tests (ouch!) or by a letter from the vehicle manufacturer stating that your specific vehicles has not
been adversley effected...best of luck there.
Given that this was the NSW minister's replacement for the NCOP, I think you can reasonably expect this will be adopted Australia wide.
Dont think it will be enforced? I have a couple of mates with fairly tame 4wd's they bothered getting engineered.
Their regos have a notation that the vehicle has a certificate. Their rego is due. They have regected for online renewal and got letters demanding the
vehicle be presented to specific RTA offices within 14 days.
Personally I don't believe online protests, angry letters or blockades do anything (except make us look bad)
I think the only plan is to expose the minister and Nathan Reese as being the idiots responsible for the death of the aftermarket industry and 10,000
plus jobs during an economic crisis.
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Think i willl just throw my beetle away 
Futue te ipsum!!!
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Hi
Squisy, I'm glad some smarter heads than me have put pen to paper, great info.
Liam66, some scary stuff to come.
I'm almost finished a rebuild on my daily 1303, Ive spent many $$s on it and expect to spend more on it still, I'm also building another 1303 and
expect to spend another 15-20 thousand on it before its on the road.
The majority was and will be spent with local parts suppliers and motor trades people.
I expect that other VW people are doing similar things.
The way this legislation will work is that it will force enthusiasts to give up and buy a late model car and just leave it alone.
Steve
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the 4wd guys are stressing aswell, shit every modified car forum is going off. Hope some of it ends up in the right mailbox.
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Think i willl just throw my beetle away
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I think you should do that too. I'll PM you my address and you can dump it out front. If I can hillclimb and supersprint a stock height bus then
driving a stock height beetle on a daily commute shouldnt be a problem. 
I really dont think this will be a big problem. Just put your cap on forward, put your seatback upright and do the right thing. If your car isnt
stupid low you wont get hassled I dont think. If you get pulled over for something else, sure the tape measure will come out too. Cops cant be
bothered doing that shit. Otherwise they'd be issuing defects for headlights, taillights, led's and neons. They just dont care.
Just the same as I've never been hassled doing 10kmh over the limit. (though I wouldnt try that outside of NSW)
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well, got some responses from my emails........some forwarded it on to Mr Daley's office
at least feel like i have done something, didnt take long
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Looking for a set of cheap BJ drop spindles - let me know.
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hey who wants a hoons stupidly lowered oval beetle with 18's without a back seat subs in its place,cause all this crap thats gonna happen worries
me.i dont like worries! 
i might throw air bags on my bug and when i see the fuzz i raise it to land cruiser level and roll by em with a smile.
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“Finally, the automotive aftermarket industry is totally dismayed at the arrogance exhibited by this announcement. This industry has an annual
turnover of $5 billion, exports of $600 million and employs 30,000 people. In NSW, the AAAA membership is 400 companies employing 8,000 people. The
AAAA enjoys close working relationships with NSW Government organisations, including the Road Transport Authority, which appears to have ignored an
independent engineers report on the improved safety performance of suspension lift modifications submitted in June 2009.
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i've been waiting for this type of recognised industry response and that with any degree of luck where jobs jobs jobs will be affected in the current
economic climate that this will now come under some proper scrutiny
if this proposed legislation in nsw is implemented many people and businesses will be gone and the governments biggest agenda of being re-elected will
be marginalised therefore they will take notice and amend the bill thats under review
i dont see it being thrown out as then the minister of roads will look like a lame duck goose and governments cant have ministers with that stigma
eagerly watching this space as next week hopefully more action will prevail
pls keep contacting the minister and your local member in nsw letting them know of your dismay and potential loss of jobs and also everyone let your
local federal member know as they can be of use as well
im sure pollies will prick there ears up and listen when the loss of jobs jobs jobs is a result of the bill being passed and implemented..
you can all avoid this shite by following hellbugged and move to queensland..
you'd be more than welcome..
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so if u got heavily sagged torsion bars can they pin ya for a lowering job :P? Make a good skape goat hey.
So cause i'm in qld.. i shouldn't be worried?
Wats the use of havin a baja if i can't use my raised rear and cut and turned beam and 31ich' tyres all round? How lame....
These ministers must be pretty bord. Wonder if they are even married...
Illegal lowerin jobs should just be a matter of road side inspection. My bros car has lowered front springs, ie: rake. handles betta than eva, way
less body roll cause they are stiffer too. While we got idiots like a guy i used to work with who put an angle grinder on his VC commodore springs and
dropped it on its guts as a result. Their the kinda people that should be sniffed out. The bogan patrol need to target them rather than everyone and
innocent enthusiasts.
If i remember correct too, isn't a bloody engineering cert like $300 ish? much more exy than a rwc?
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Now that's the way to get a government official to see your point of view!
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Now that's the way to get a government official to see your point of view!
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... no it's not. It just pisses them off.
Trust me, there are plenty of industy groups and journos etc 'on the case' on behalf of enthusiasts. I really don't think John & Joan Average
realise yet how sinister and far-reaching these new rules are. EVERY car and 4WD EVER lowered or lifted in NSW will be subject to defect next Tuesday.
Wish us luck.
Pay your debts, CxxT
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