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posted on June 16th, 2010 at 10:40 PM



hhmmm, i think so....i hope so..never took notice to tell u the truth...oh shit i think i might not actualy..last time we took the valves out i remember having to wet sand the ends so we could slide them through the valve guides ..so i , i cant remeber them..

is that bad....
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posted on June 16th, 2010 at 10:50 PM



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is that bad....


Yep

1.4's need lash caps.

With the wiping action of the rocker, it needs the large flat surface of a lash cap, otherwise it'll wear the valve and the rocker prematurely. Also the geometery would be up the creek as they're designed for the extra thickness of the cap.

You would have seen them when doing the valves, the cheaper ones are usually loose on the valves, but it's preferable to be firm or somewhat tight on the valve.
All stainless valves need either a lash cap or a swivel foot adjuster, otherwise they wear very quickly, a stock adjuster screw damages the softer stainless easily.




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posted on June 16th, 2010 at 11:04 PM



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hhmmm, i think so....i hope so..never took notice to tell u the truth...oh shit i think i might not actualy..last time we took the valves out i remember having to wet sand the ends so we could slide them through the valve guides ..so i , i cant remeber them..

is that bad....


why did you have to take the valves out ?




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posted on June 16th, 2010 at 11:08 PM



matt, shish, ill check on the weekend..if i dont have any, which bran/type should i buy??

craig, the valves came out because the heads needed to be cleaned up before ceramic coating, "expensive grey paint"...
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posted on June 16th, 2010 at 11:13 PM



With the miles it's done the valves may be damaged by now without them, so to fit them they will at least need to be cleaned up around the tip where the cap sits.

I use Berg or Scat, but the Scat tend to be looser.




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posted on June 16th, 2010 at 11:15 PM



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cleaned up before ceramic coating, "expensive grey paint"...


:lol:....oh ok.




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posted on June 16th, 2010 at 11:28 PM



should of got the heads unshrouded before painting them...oh well...

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posted on June 17th, 2010 at 08:04 AM



Pics don't work for me !!!



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posted on June 17th, 2010 at 08:43 AM



So? did I win? was it the valve stem top made love to?



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posted on June 17th, 2010 at 06:47 PM



Well?

Did you pop a cover and have a look???




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posted on June 17th, 2010 at 08:45 PM



yep,they are not there... from what we could see the valve tips didnt look mushroomed..soo far....we'll see...
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posted on June 17th, 2010 at 08:49 PM



Oh dear !!

The rockers get grooves too, pull them off and have a look at the face that wipes the valve tip.




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posted on July 19th, 2010 at 06:46 PM



ok heres the verdict, the head guy took to springs off and they had 130ft ibs on the seat and 285 ft ibs at full lift ".534"..then he found 3 springs that have lost 10 ft ibs....and i did mushroom the valves and also wore out the keepers grooves a bit....oh well...u learn dont you...

so new springs for me,i was thinking bugpack 4046's...any suggestions.....
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posted on July 19th, 2010 at 08:56 PM



I thought Rod was sorting out the springs for you ?



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posted on July 19th, 2010 at 09:27 PM



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just would like to hear what others have to say,its educational as well....
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posted on July 19th, 2010 at 09:30 PM



Given the choice I would go Berg GB273A.



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posted on July 20th, 2010 at 05:26 AM



Get a rev limiter
and throw away that K8.
That is my opinion, you asked!!

130lbs on the seat is a little low, but not horrendous.(?)
If you are keeping the revs limited to no more than 10% over the peak power,
150/320lbs should be enough pressure if the cam profile is harmonic free.

I would shout it some fresh springs.
Keep your revs lower with a limiter,
and set tappets with zero lash if you have chromoly pushrods.




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posted on July 20th, 2010 at 07:44 AM



cheers mat ...

dave, if only throwing out the cam was that easy........i have been thinking about a bigger set of heads and cam though..but its no easy decision..............
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posted on July 20th, 2010 at 08:41 AM



Maybe the valve float was due to geometry issues without the lash caps causing harmonics??



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posted on September 11th, 2010 at 05:41 PM



engines back in and running great...new valves, cb's lashcaps and bugpack 4046 springs...revs to 7000 but you can feel the power drop at 6500 6700 there abouts.....

thanks everybody for the help....
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