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| posted on July 23rd, 2004 at 02:04 PM |
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anyone have any idea about exhaust clearance or something. i heard it is a problem.
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| posted on July 23rd, 2004 at 02:29 PM |
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yes I have a 2inch body lift. 
And trust me, you can get it low in the forks. You can make the CV's rest on the frame horns if you want. Simply notch the forks and then reseam weld
it.
When I was playing with my setup and had no mounts I had it sitting low, so the CV were sitting on the forks.
I really don't think going to a kombi box is going to make it any more difficult than using a beetle box. It ain't gunna fit either way, it's just
how much trimming you will need to do. And I don't think there would be much difference in trimming between the two. 
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| posted on July 23rd, 2004 at 02:35 PM |
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yeah i think if you are going to fit an ej20t. there will be a fair emount of cutting and body work required neway. so that wouldnt make too much of a
difference. it basically comes down to price and performance with the transmission to which one would be used.
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| posted on July 27th, 2004 at 12:04 PM |
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Just a short note on the cost of the box....
My brother just bought another box for the US, same spec as last time I believe.
Cost him $1800 Aust plus duty, landed. As you may know. This has ALBINS gears, monster diff, gusseted box, welded syncros, new bearings throughout,
bus CV flanges, welded shift forks, 181 side gears and a whole host of other bits.
The last one lasted 5.5 years before it started to make any noise. Not too bad for a bolt in job and no mods to the car!
Bus would be better, but needs more work to fit and the shift is not nearly as nice to use. Maybe next time, with a BERG nose cone adapter!
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| posted on July 28th, 2004 at 10:18 AM |
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Hi
Just came across an interesting site. http://www.vanbran.com/bug/conversion1.htm
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| posted on July 28th, 2004 at 02:30 PM |
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that's a good page alright Steve. I found it a while back and out the link up.
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| posted on July 28th, 2004 at 10:58 PM |
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Hi Pete
Wish he would finish it.
Another page to look at. http://frost.bbboy.net/vwengineconversions
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| posted on August 2nd, 2004 at 04:04 AM |
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ok. all in all. i have decided to stick with my 1600 until i can get a loan and go crazy on an engine conversion. so. i was wondering what the best
motor (quickest and reliable) motor to purchase strip down, clean up, stick in vw and modify would be. even with a blown out budget as i plan on
getting apprenticeship next year and then getting a loan when i turn 18.
if i can do it i am willing to borrow about 10grand if i get an apprenticeship and also save some from when i work. that would be my budget for engine
transplant. any help with this would be great. this is not 100%. but if i get apprenticeship it will be 
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| posted on August 2nd, 2004 at 09:43 PM |
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Cool site Steve...It is a shame he hasn't finished yet...I know how that it! My SVX project is 2 years down the track and still no end in sight!
You know Jeff Unwin don't you? What box was he running in his R(S)ace Notch? I'd like to see whats under that car!
71Bug...What are you asking here?...I'm a little lost!
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| posted on August 5th, 2004 at 02:06 AM |
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umm the thread started off with me asking for a price or something?. but kinda evolved to i dunno wat. a conversation about engine transplants in
general and then gearbox choice. its good really. all interesting to know.
i heard a 13bturbo conversion could be the way to go over the ej20t conversion. and shouldnt cost much more.
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| posted on August 5th, 2004 at 09:06 AM |
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i heard a 13bturbo conversion could be the way to go over the ej20t conversion. and shouldnt cost much more.
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The 13B turbo has this slight problem of being totally illegal in a beetle. The 13B is classed as a 2.6L motor for legal transplant reasons. So a 13B
turbo is classed as a 2.6L turbo. far too big.
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| posted on August 6th, 2004 at 04:11 PM |
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so u saying even if u get engineering cert .etc you cant get it done properly and on the road?
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| posted on August 6th, 2004 at 04:46 PM |
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that's exactly what I am saying.
For a modified production vehicle, even with engineer certification, a 13B turbo in a bug would be illegal.
You can't even do it as an ICV cos they don't make 13B turbos anymore, unless you want to pay lots for emissions testing and all other insane
requirements.
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| posted on August 11th, 2004 at 01:26 PM |
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Whats all this "ICV" talk?....Not familiar with the term.
Even if you could legally stick a rotor in, why would you?
They can't be made to run in a VW...The trans ratios that are available don't suit the powerband of the wankel!
Everyone who has tried, ended up with a very undrivable car....I know a guy here in Perth that fitted 12A turbo into a bug years ago, and he reckon
that we couldn't get a Liberty RS engine to work in a VW...
He was way wrong....Our car is very drivable, legal and VERY economical.....
He kept frying clutches and he only managed a mid 14 quarter!
We get flat 13's (done a high 12) all day and still have the same clutch for the last 5 years!!!!
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| posted on August 11th, 2004 at 06:56 PM |
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most modified cars are registered as modified production vehicles.
In QLD we have what they call an ICV - Individually constructed vehicle. It basically lets you run wild and do pretty much whatever you want. The only
thing is you have to comply with alot of modern ADR's including emmissions.
A 1600 kombi box in a beetle would give pretty good ratio's for a rotary, nice and low. I'm not a huge fan of Rotaries either.
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| posted on August 11th, 2004 at 08:56 PM |
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for people's reference, QLD and NSW rules at least...
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| posted on August 14th, 2004 at 03:12 PM |
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Looks to be a similar set-up to what we have here.
A 2.0ltr turbo engine is about as large as you can go is the car originally was manufactured with a 1.6ltr NA engine.
Commercial vehicle are a different kettle of fish....No rules really!
Just make sure your brakes and the suspension are upgraded to there reccomendations.
So I have stuck a 3.3ltr 185kw/309flbs 6cyl in a bus that was manufactured with a 1.6ltr turbo diesel (64hp?) engine!!!!
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| posted on August 17th, 2004 at 04:45 PM |
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what you mean by "commercial" vehicle?
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| posted on August 17th, 2004 at 08:48 PM |
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= pay load of over 1 tone
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| posted on August 17th, 2004 at 10:59 PM |
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lol. 1 tonne standard?  damn. that sucks.
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| posted on August 18th, 2004 at 05:50 PM |
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hmm. i want an apprenticeship. so i can get a loan and finish my car. tell me. a volkswagen motor producing 200hp compared to say an ej20t producing
197hp. advantages and disadvantages of both. (i would use EFI.etc on vw motor)
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| posted on August 18th, 2004 at 05:51 PM |
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that vw motor being NA. turbo could still be added?
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| posted on August 18th, 2004 at 05:51 PM |
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YOU HAVE JUST BEEN DAKED
don't worry it's a VW thing
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| posted on August 18th, 2004 at 08:50 PM |
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tell me. a volkswagen motor producing 200hp compared to say an ej20t producing 197hp.
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The difference would be about $10,000 dollars, and years of engine life. All against the VW motor.
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| posted on August 18th, 2004 at 08:53 PM |
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you are able to order engine from the u.s (vw motors producing about 200hp) are you not?., already built?. i think 5grand u.s. plus obviously shipping
and tax
what are these motors like?
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| posted on August 18th, 2004 at 11:55 PM |
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I have a 2332 in peices awaiting building, which I am now going to sell and put in an ej20t.
I have spent countless hours researching big engined VW's. This is somthing you would be looking at....nothing cheaper would be any good....trust me!
John who is selling this works for vw parts unlimited.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=75023
Now thats $6000 us which is $8500 Australian. You will get hit with duty and shipping will be heaps. You would not land it under $10,000.
The engine has a web86c which is right up there, so on the street it will suck, and there will be alot of stress on the valve train.
Reality is that H.P is not want you want to aim for in a vw engine unless you want to drag it. Sure H.P is good but what about a long flat torque
curve that gives instant throttle response and crazy street acceleration. Look at want you require from your motor and build it around that.
Go to http://www.shoptalkforums.com and read, and read, and read....work out
want you want in a motor, how much you have to spend, and go from there. Two things though...heads are the key(my DRD ones were $1800)...and cam
choice will be your hardest decision.
For half the money, 5 times the relaibility, more refinement...I have now chosen to go with the subaru.
Good luck,
Ask me anything if you want to get stuff from the US.
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| posted on August 19th, 2004 at 12:40 AM |
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yeah good point. to have an engine that will behave itself on the street is good. i was just wondering what peoples opionions on high powered vw
motors is. jap motors have much more technology aswell
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| posted on August 19th, 2004 at 01:20 AM |
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Welcome to H2o Matt and Subaru performance .
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| posted on August 19th, 2004 at 08:56 AM |
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71 Super,
Do not get me wrong....there is no sweeter sound than a big stroker motor being fed by a couple of 48IDA's...If you have not been in one...you
should.
It will make the decision not top get one really hard, trust me as I have just made it!
Economies of scale, reliability and power....and my car is already pretty much as modified as you can get....natural progression.
If I had an immaculate oval body with a set of fuchs alloys, I would stay with the vw motor just so I dont butcher the nice car.
Look foward to your assistance Neil,
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I have been for rides in 250hp+ street VW's and 250hp+ Subi powered VW's....No contest, Go the Sub route.
I own a 120hp street VW, that has run a best of 14.8 quarter and has been my daily driver for over 10 years, heads by Shimo, the rest by me, with help
from Hellbug, way back when. This engine has been across Oz 3 times, been raced in classic rallies, sprints, autokanas and done time at Wannaroo
Raceway, and does still bring a smile to my dial. I have been planning and collecting parts for 6 years towards a turbo intercooled 1915 and now it's
all gonna go. After 5 years of living with a EJ20T powered VW in the family I have decided to get wet and 4 camm the sucker!
If you want serious driveabilty and a car that will live longer and greener, then put down your bucks on a Ej20T or similar. Forget the aircooler for
power.
Now I also have a Judson waiting for that special early bug project. But this is not a history lesson and I have too many projects as it is!!!
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