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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 07:01 PM |
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meanwhile...
while all this real building is going on, i'm playing with spraycans out the back and making 30yearold tinware look more like 20 year old tinware
 if you look real close you can see a frikken huge aeroplane engine
parked behind stan's open wheeler... so i put my tinware near it all in the hopes some of it's HP would get soaked up 
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the assembly, in speedy motion
at this point of the proceedings, i had to go and get a bib, and eventually hung a bucket around my neck to stem the flow of drool... it was only a
matter of time.... lovely to see all the bits snick together like a well-choreographed .... something.
notice the rusty ol 94s :thumb
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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 07:15 PM |
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first service
Craig playing greasemonkey..
notice the devil-may-care attitude to flying shards of steel as we cobbled together a slightly better flowing exhaust system.... thanks again for the
use of your tools and FLAT AREA!!!! and the scary MIG... got that new handset yet btw?
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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 07:16 PM |
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flippin puter fun
and now i'm going for a drive
*sees how far he can chuck his puter*
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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 08:10 PM |
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I can see my new aluminium cases in the background fresh from the good old USA
1 for the Road
1 for the Drags
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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 09:00 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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notice the rusty ol 94s :thumb
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They'll never work Pete, go smaller, GO SMALLER
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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 09:11 PM |
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yeah, cos after 23 minutes and 16.3 seconds of use, they EXPLODE
[size=6]BOOOM![/size]
Pay your debts, CxxT
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| posted on December 10th, 2003 at 09:36 PM |
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I got brad's dyno chart;
[img]http://www.offroadvw.net/bajawes/images/brad dyno small.gif[/img]
Something I found interesting when looking at it. It was taken to 95kph in 3rd. With Brad's gearbox and tyres, it would only be doing about
3920rpm at 95kph. So his engine is making 48HP at 3920rpm. That ain't so bad.
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| posted on December 10th, 2003 at 10:12 PM |
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Here's something interesting. I have put together a flywheel HP chart for various aussie VW engines (and my V6 of course ).
Now what I have done is taken the wheel HP dyno plots and converted them to engine HP. To do this I divided the street cars by 83%, assuming a gearbox
efficiency of 83%, which is about right for most drivelines.
Brad however is running big CV angles and the less efficient kombi gearbox, so I have dropped his efficiency to 75% to compensate.
[img]http://www.offroadvw.net/bajawes/images/5 engine dyno plot.gif[/img]
Now Brad has heaps less HP, but his torque ain't so bad. Brad's peak torque is only a little off Jak's peak torque. The difference is
Jak makes his 3000rpm higher than brad, hence the huge HP difference.
You see the race VW engines make peak torque at ~5000rpm. I am guessing they don't do much below 3000rpm.
Brad's engine makes peak torque at 2000rpm. Great for offroading and a torque monster. It is saying his heads and cam are too small, which he
already knows. But under 3,000rpm Brad probably has the most powerful VW motor. Would need to see dyno charts for the other cars down to 2000rpm to be
sure.
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| posted on December 10th, 2003 at 10:37 PM |
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mmm
So Wes you saying my Engine Buider sucked with his combo of parts ?
damn I new I should have kept picking heads up till I found teh 044's.
Oh well life goes on with my stock out put Buggy Engine
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| posted on December 12th, 2003 at 12:13 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Baja Wes
I do know you can get workshops to put an SR20DET, 5 spd supra box and beefed up diff into a crap car like an old corolla for about $10,000. Good for
about 220HP at the rear wheels and low second 14 second 1/4 mile passes, seriously limited by traction issues though.
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Its so good to see that you guys can still argue a point till it goes round the block, your face goes blue, and still not solve anything, even in my
absence. The narrowed beam rolls on, the 1916 rolls on. We really need to sit beer in hand around a BBQ at nambucca for dinner. Lunch time was too
sedate.
Im fairly stoked with my hp figure, whatever it must be. 14.6ET in a kombi on uphill eastern creek. 220 at the wheels? awesome. |
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| posted on December 12th, 2003 at 01:06 PM |
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even in my absence.
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absence? you mean you haven't been here? so that's why we've all been so misguided recently :P
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| posted on December 12th, 2003 at 02:17 PM |
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Wes, have you chucked your engine on a dyno yet? If so those torque figures are way more than what I would of expected.
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| posted on December 12th, 2003 at 03:01 PM |
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I haven't dyno'd mine yet.
The stock KLZE makes 22.8kg/m of torque at 5500rpm. This converts to 165ft.lbs.
I have however got dyno charts for the ford probe, with the V6 in it.
The blue curve (stock probe) has an Oz/US issue KL-03 engine, which makes 123kW or 164.9HP (factory quote). Assuming 83% gearbox efficiency for a
modern gearbox, it should achieve 0.83x165=about 137HP. You can see the blue curve is getting around 135HP so pretty damn close.
The red curve is a hotted up version of the KL-03.
The green curve is a jap issue KLZE which is supposed to make about 200HP and 165ft.lb of torque. The car with the KLZE was still running the a-spec
computer which has the wrong VRIS points and fuel / ign curves for the KLZE, so the torque curve is not as strong as it should be, and starts tapering
off. Still, assuming 0.83% efficiency it should make 166HP and 137ft.lbs of torque. You can see it is actually making 171HP and 165ft.lbs at the
wheels. So it is performing better than the factory quote, probably due to the different exhaust and intake, but despite the wrong ECU.
Trust me, it's a nice motor.
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| posted on December 12th, 2003 at 06:19 PM |
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Cool! I've seen a commodore V6 make 130 at the wheels in a VW. So it sounds about right. DOHC makes a big difference, but then 3.8 vs 2.4 (is
it?) you're probably breaking even.
You should take it to a dyno day. You'd probably find Mazda clubs are doing them and would love to see the effect in a beetle.
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| posted on December 13th, 2003 at 08:46 AM |
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| Quote: |
The green curve is a jap issue KLZE which is supposed to make about 200HP and 165ft.lb of torque. The car with the KLZE was still running the a-spec
computer which has the wrong VRIS points and fuel / ign curves for the KLZE, so the torque curve is not as strong as it should be, and starts tapering
off. Still, assuming 0.83% efficiency it should make 166HP and 137ft.lbs of torque. You can see it is actually making 171HP and 165ft.lbs at the
wheels. So it is performing better than the factory quote, probably due to the different exhaust and intake, but despite the wrong ECU.
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Man you are a freak !!! Get out more !!!!
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| posted on December 13th, 2003 at 06:22 PM |
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Man you are a freak !!! Get out more !!!!
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If only we could harness those powers for evil..............
Spyder-WISD 07-09-05 11.6s @ 125 MPH
Speedster-WISD Nats 05 14.4s @ 89 MPH
Jet cruiser-Coogee 22-09-05 900 deg C @ 110,000 rpm
Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals....................Except the Weasel.
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| posted on December 13th, 2003 at 07:56 PM |
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If only we could harness those powers for evil..............
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Some may say we already have ... the V6 baja will soon live again and its offspring the Maga manx will drive over th etop of it
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| posted on December 14th, 2003 at 01:21 AM |
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If only we could harness those powers for evil..............
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Some may say we already have ... the V6 baja will soon live again and its offspring the Maga manx will drive over th etop of it
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Ide like to see that a MAGNA MANX!:o |
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| posted on December 14th, 2003 at 09:07 PM |
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mmm
| Quote: | Originally
posted by lugnuts
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posted by Buggy Brad
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posted by speedster356
If only we could harness those powers for evil..............
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Some may say we already have ... the V6 baja will soon live again and its offspring the Maga manx will drive over th etop of it
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Ide like to see that a MAGNA MANX!:o
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All in good time All in good time !!!
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| posted on December 15th, 2003 at 08:46 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by lugnuts
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posted by Buggy Brad
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If only we could harness those powers for evil..............
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Some may say we already have ... the V6 baja will soon live again and its offspring the Maga manx will drive over th etop of it
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Ide like to see that a MAGNA MANX!:o
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Brad meant Mega Manx, he's just good at putting typos in his posts
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| posted on December 15th, 2003 at 05:39 PM |
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hijacking mah dang thread
geeez. and what's all this malarkey about 1915cc?:alien
just fitted the 50 buck dusty old tacho yesterday... fun to watch it go up now looks like it's time to sort out my ignition kit. also discovered i've been running my tires at 20psi. oops. no wonder i was
squealing around ralleigh so much. my bad.
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| posted on December 15th, 2003 at 07:26 PM |
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Don't need any more than 20psi unless you're on the track, Pete.
Having said that, with your new donk you're always on the "track"
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| posted on December 15th, 2003 at 07:48 PM |
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20 psi
really? i found it made a nice difference to the handling and the ability to get moving at the lights when i upped it to 35... also gets rid of some
of the saggy feeling when you go round a roundabout. just noticed the way the tires were all baggy after driving for a while and thought to myself...
"now that can't be right...." running at 20 is slightly more comfy on sydney 'roads', but 35 feels more responsive. took
another punter for a ride the other day and the reaction was (white faced, clinging to the grab rail over the glovebox and the loopy thing next to the
door)"Seven thousand RPM... feeling a little nervous here Pete..." although in his defence at the time we were moving at an obscene rate.
there was also an unsettling rhythmic clanging noise coming from somewhere... which turned out to be the engine lid rattling itself free and banging
in the wind
and no-one's had a heart attack next to me yet still waiting for
the next victim...maybe it's YOU!! BWAhaHAHaAhAhhAhahAhAhaha!!!!
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| posted on December 16th, 2003 at 12:41 PM |
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I run 20psi front and 24 at the rear in my fastback. 40 in the kombi. |
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| posted on December 16th, 2003 at 02:12 PM |
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The manual states 18psi in the front; 24 (?) in the rear.
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| posted on December 16th, 2003 at 02:35 PM |
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The manual may state those pressures,but times and tyres have changed. I've run 18psi in the front and 32 in the rear on all my beetles and type
three's. The Kombi I run 40psi front and 42 in the rear. The Manx(depending on tyre combo) has been 15/25 in the front and 10/45 in the
rear.Obviously it changes like the surfaces and driving conditions change......:bounce I don't run tubes in any of my tyres.
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| posted on December 16th, 2003 at 09:48 PM |
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Good point Mick,
but anything over 30psi for the ROAD on such a light car is a bit rediculous!
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Not one the rear of the Manx...If you hoot around corners the rears need to be hard. Have pulled tyres from the rims before. Especially with the
larger tyres as the sidewalls are high and popping them off the rim is not fun. Tyre manufacturers have minimum pressures for there tyres (just ask
them). The front of a vw does not normally get high loads due to the weight on the tyres being so low and the ride can get harsh if the pressures are
high. Run at lower pressures to compensate. Tubed tyres can be run at lower pressures as the tube acts like a stiffener and also helps keep the tyre
on the rim. Offroaders use tubes for this reason (and for ease of repair):tree
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| posted on December 17th, 2003 at 08:22 AM |
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The manual may state those pressures,but times and tyres have changed.
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For one most manuals were written when VW's were fitted with cross-ply tyres.
I find I need higher pressure with my mud tyres to stop it wandering all over the road.
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