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| posted on October 18th, 2004 at 11:26 PM |
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| posted on October 18th, 2004 at 11:38 PM |
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thats plenty of HP in any VW but watta bout a gearbox coz i know if i had that HP or a rotary id be doin some fat burnouts... will need a mucho
gearbox, and Thats exp!
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| posted on October 19th, 2004 at 12:05 AM |
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anyone else got anything to say about what i have written? agree, disagree. hints, tips, constructive criticism? anything. would be helpful
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| posted on October 19th, 2004 at 12:45 PM |
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Cooling it satisfactorily will probably take some figuring out. Rotaries run hot even in the RX7's, and, like I said before, most of the ones I've
seen mounted in the rear haven't lasted long.
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| posted on October 19th, 2004 at 08:47 PM |
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Where did you get $7000.
The ej20 will outperform your rotary in every aspect, from reliability, to taking 4 mates to the beach and being as fast as with just you in it!
I will ask you one more time......how much money do you have right now?
This is the only way we can help you...we need a budget, not a buy and sell and hope financial plan, otherwise you will never see you bug run
again.
You obviously love rotary engines, and most of us prefer other options...so get the rotary.
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| posted on October 19th, 2004 at 09:08 PM |
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"Where did you get $7000."
2600 for front cut, 3000 for transmission, 600 for rear discs. = 6200.
then allow for miscellaneous parts like fuel pumps, piping, .etc.
"The ej20 will outperform your rotary in every aspect, from reliability, to taking 4 mates to the beach and being as fast as with just you in it"
turbo rotary cars can be DAMN QUICK. and as far as taking 4 mates to the beach.....it wont happen. back seats are out and custom stereo shelf going
in.
rotarys can be realiable. depenind on wether u look after it or not. expected rotor time is about 200,000km before rebuild i believe (been reading
many rx7 forums). as for right NOW. i dont have the money for it. as i think i have said. come july i will. unless i get a better job and can start
earlier.
and as quickcamper??? said his kombi has 500nm of torque. thats a rotary.
torque isnt that low..
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| posted on October 19th, 2004 at 11:53 PM |
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one part of the conversion i have a query about as i am not 100% sure yet is the transmission. will 3 grand be a big enough budget for transmission to
handle the power. i EVENTUALLY would like to make around 300rwhp. but that is in the far future. unless my financial situation skyrockets. what sort
of transmission would i need to handle the standard power (189-200). and how much would one cost? what is reccomended for further power upgrades
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basically. wat kind of transmission will 3 grand buy me??
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| posted on October 20th, 2004 at 01:10 AM |
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you need to get hold of mark here in perth , see h20 web page , get mark to give you a blast around the block in the notch .
we are now at page 8 on this conversion :jesus
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| posted on October 20th, 2004 at 07:10 AM |
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And it no longer has anything to do with 'need help with EJ20T conversion' !
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| posted on October 20th, 2004 at 09:23 AM |
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no it doesnt but i still see it as constructive. all that has changed is that it is talking in general about engine conversions. which i think some
other readers as well as myself might find both interesting and constructive.
anyone have any idea about transmission?
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| posted on October 20th, 2004 at 05:35 PM |
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Hey, it sounds like you are abit confused what you really want.You need to save your cash.You did say 1st up you want a ej20 now a rotary.You might
better to stick to your vw motor and gradually do it up more.Mate iva way you go its going to cost,save your self a headache sit back do your
homework.JVLRacing
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| posted on October 20th, 2004 at 07:25 PM |
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Either way, save your $, becauce the box will cost $ 4500+, as mine did.
But my mate has standard 13B turbo,standard box in a manx, and runs 12.01,daily driver. Seen at QLD jamboree.
Sorry about the torque fig(+500), but torque figs, are out the window in my bus!:thumb
Tuff choice.
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| posted on October 20th, 2004 at 10:11 PM |
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how much horsepower your box built for though? i would only need one chasing 200hp at flywheel.
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| posted on October 20th, 2004 at 10:40 PM |
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You can land a rancho box from the usa that will handle all your power for under $2000.
If you are dragracing then there is a big difference in requirements. The kombi box has to take the big hp and then push a heavy brick down the
strip...no wonder it cost what it did.
People have run 200 hp through standard single side plate boxes without a problem...they just dont do hard starts.
As a start I still think you should build up your stock motor to a 1916 or similar...we established it would only cost around $1000, and go really
well. You can build your suspension and brakes around that and eventually pick your monster...
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| posted on October 21st, 2004 at 12:39 AM |
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i didnt think a tranny to handle 200hp would cost about $4500.
a rancho transmission seems the way to go. it might cost upwards of 3 grand if i decide lsd .etc but thats not necessary. just cool. hehe
if i can get one around 2 grand it would be good. as it would give me a spare grand to put towards different areas in the conversion.
this conversion doesnt seem such a bad idea. i WOULD do up a vw motor. but the bang for your buck value just isnt there.
as said above. i priced up a 1600turbo motor and it almost worked out the same as the 13bt conversion. thats just rediculous.
how did u manage to work out 2 grand landed in aus. (rancho transmission) matt?
if you could U2U me and let me know it woudl be great.
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| posted on October 21st, 2004 at 08:16 AM |
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Rancho type 1 pro street box: swing or irs...super diff, aluminium side cover, welded gears and steel forks...$559. Which is $765 Australian.
Worst Case $500 for shipping(thats heaps).
Then 10%gst and 3% parts tax...TOTAL $1429.45.
Sorry I was $500 out is my estimation.
How did you price up the 1600 turbo at as much as the 13b conversion when I am sure I listed the price and parts needed to bolt on to yours and they
were around the $1000 mark...you just have to search a bit.
Anyway good luck with whatever you choose...
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| posted on October 21st, 2004 at 01:35 PM |
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priced up the way u said it was about 1000 dollars yes. however im not sure if my motor would hold it for a long period of time.
i worked out
1600 Longblock (New heads whole lot). decompressed. $2500
then if i went to blow through carby setup it would cost a fair bit.
ok. so its not quite as much. but in the long run it would work out not to be cost effective. as i would eventually get an engine conversion neway.
and there would be no way i could make back all the money i put into a turbo vw motor.
my logic says "ok you want to eventually do a conversion neway so instead of putting that 1000 dollars into turbocharging your motor as is put it
towards getting a transmission for the conversion"
that transmission is a lot cheaper than expected. maybe thats cos i was working on 15% gst. (dunno why).
that transmission is to handle 200hp right? but could it handle being thrashed somewhat? eg high rpm launches .etc (burnouts) ??.
im just thinking ahead.
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| posted on October 21st, 2004 at 03:07 PM |
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Im thinking u should pull back a bit before u get carried away 200-300 horsies are 5yrs away,what about a 6-12 mths timeframe.This is your 1st car
right so theres 50/50 chance yule crash it someone else will crash into u or it will be stolen,bottom line is U DONT NEED 200-300 horsies,over 100
dynoed horsies in a beetle will be enough for a silly big smile on your dial.P.S Jak and CT were kicking arse with less than 100 hp and they had silly
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| posted on October 21st, 2004 at 06:15 PM |
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I agree with you lugnuts,way to much hp for a young bloke.Jako and CT have done it for a while.Deiter Holzl started with a small vw motor and learned
to drive well within the bounds of that1900 motor.JVLRacing
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| posted on October 21st, 2004 at 08:22 PM |
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ill be learning to drive in a cv8 monaro. which granted isnt the quickest car. it is still quick enough. know wat i mean? either that car of a s13
silvia with bigger turbo, front mount forged internals .etc. i will be learning in them as they are the cars my family drive.
and this conversion is within a 12 month timeframe. next july.
anyone have any idea about gear ratios and what they should be with a 13bt rotary?
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You are young and will do heaps of conversions to cars, crash cars and blow up engines. All of them will be money pits, and you will keep blowing
money on them like we all do because you love cars...
Do what you can afford now and have fun for 12mnths, then look at another project/engine(if the car is still going).
Trust me, when you are young with not alot of cash, 12mnths turns into 3 years, and the car has not taken kindly to just sitting around...you will
abandon it. It is hard to stay motivated when you cannot just pay and make things happen straight away due to financial restrictions.
Anyway......the gearing in the rotary would be targeted around its purpose...closer for strip, taller for street/daily. Taller with a turbo. Whatever
you desire....probably stock, maybe slightly closer 3rd.
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well said :beer
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| posted on October 22nd, 2004 at 01:40 AM |
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i've been researching vw's for about 6 months now on vw conversions. as u may say that i will abandon because of money. that really does depend on
every individual. and also. being young. i want a quick car to beat my mates yes?
well. i am smart enough to realise that in the drag scene power to weight ratio reigns supreme. and a beetle is a fairly light car compared to most.
and it just happened that i could have one for my first car so i chose it. i didnt have to have a beetle but i wanted one. i love the looks of one
(even though my friends say its a poofs car). i have the decent stereo .etc. so the only thing missing is the power. that i am determined to do. i am
not one to give up easily. espescially with cars and computers.
i know i will go through with this next year. and ill be sure to remind u guys of what has just been said when i am tearing around in the 13bturbo
beetle.
one thing that does annoy me is taking what most teens do. normally vl drivers. HAHAH. and other shitheads that are just in the quest to show that
their dick is bigger than everyone elses. even though i would like to show up my mates and bros silvia. that isnt wat is making me do it. its self
satisfaction. knowing that i have taken a 33 year old volkswagen that was made slow as shit and turned it into a fairly decent street car.
now THAT is wat is making me do it and my opinion on generalisation of teenagers. sorry matt but i dont appreciate that. its just one topic i am very
touchy about..
sorry. this is not a personal attack just stating my views before people brush me off as a stupid 17 year old just wanting to compete in a pissing
contest with his mates.
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 71superbug
i've been researching vw's for about 6 months now on vw conversions. as u may say that i will abandon because of money. that really does depend on
every individual. and also. being young. i want a quick car to beat my mates yes?
well. i am smart enough to realise that in the drag scene power to weight ratio reigns supreme. and a beetle is a fairly light car compared to most.
and it just happened that i could have one for my first car so i chose it. i didnt have to have a beetle but i wanted one. i love the looks of one
(even though my friends say its a poofs car). i have the decent stereo .etc. so the only thing missing is the power. that i am determined to do. i am
not one to give up easily. espescially with cars and computers.
i know i will go through with this next year. and ill be sure to remind u guys of what has just been said when i am tearing around in the 13bturbo
beetle.
one thing that does annoy me is taking what most teens do. normally vl drivers. HAHAH. and other shitheads that are just in the quest to show that
their dick is bigger than everyone elses. even though i would like to show up my mates and bros silvia. that isnt wat is making me do it. its self
satisfaction. knowing that i have taken a 33 year old volkswagen that was made slow as shit and turned it into a fairly decent street car.
now THAT is wat is making me do it and my opinion on generalisation of teenagers. sorry matt but i dont appreciate that. its just one topic i am very
touchy about..
sorry. this is not a personal attack just stating my views before people brush me off as a stupid 17 year old just wanting to compete in a pissing
contest with his mates.
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 71superbug
its self satisfaction. knowing that i have taken a 33 year old volkswagen that was made slow as shit and turned it into a fairly decent street
car.
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Hi
Well said, I get a lot of satisfaction from making an old bug hold its own against newer cars, anyone can pay someone to build a car for them, its
takes patience and creativity to build a modified bug yourself.
Steve
[Edited on 21-10-2004 by 1302Steve]
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 1302Steve
Hi
Well said, I get a lot of satisfaction from making an old bug hold its own against newer cars, anyone can pay someone to build a car for them, its
takes patience and creativity to build a modified bug yourself.
Steve
[Edited on 21-10-2004 by 1302Steve]
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a stupid attitude to ya wallet and hard headed stubborness help too... 
And you'd have to say, that at some level we're all completing in some form of "pissing contest".
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sorry. this is not a personal attack just stating my views before people brush me off as a stupid 17 year old just wanting to compete in a pissing
contest with his mates.
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Don't take this the wrong way either, but if you save this post and read it back when you at least mid 20's you'll think you look like another
silly 17 yr old asking silly questions on a forum too.
My advice is to listen to people that have been there and done that. No matter how mature (or old) you may be, you can always still learn off the
experiences of others.
Having said that alot of people are telling you the EJ20T is the more sensible option and the better motor.
Also, didn't we establish that the 13B turbo wouldn't be legal?
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its not that im not willing too take advice. i am taking advice. hence the going to upgrade suspension, brake .etc at the same time. if i were silly
i would only do motor, blow my transmission and crash into a pole cos the brakes wont stop me.
wat i was saying is that i dont like the generalisation of teenagers.
hehe and yes there is somewhat a little bit of a pissing contest. always is. 
and as far as the 13bt being legal. i just rang up the department of planning and infrastructure. and a lady asked the tech department if it would be
legal. they said their pretty sure it is but send in an application form neway.
anyway. back to the topic. anyone have any idea about the gear ratios?
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Hooray,Well said BajaWes spot on.JVLRacing
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I never mentioned anything about generalising about teenagers....simply said that you are young and that you will own loads of cars, as this is your
first.
I truly hope you can have your car running as you desire in 12 mnths and we will all help as much as possible..from experience my point was MONEY.
Since you decided to do a conversion, how much have you saved towards it?
It is hard enough to save at the best of times, let alone when you have no responsibilities and enjoying life.
I never doubted your motivation...even with unlimited budgets most projects take longer than expected.
My final advice 71 super.....READ and when you have a question from that reading...read some more.
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