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 Craig Torrens
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| posted on July 29th, 2010 at 10:35 AM |
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HI Craig, I have seen you talk about a rear solid and a mid-mount gearbox mount... have you fabricated anything here??? Are these kits in aid of using
standard mounts ... or ... do we still need pretty beefy rear and mid mounts? (mid mount style i am thinking is similar to a gene berg mount with a
plate mounted to the nosecone bolts and then supported to the frames via a utherane washer ((thick)) and a welded tab...)
Question is do we need solid mounts and do you sell them??? Pics
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The K Bar kit stops the forks from flexing and also stiffens the chassis in the rear via the triangulation of the bracing..............what it
doesn't stop is the gearbox moving in relation to the forks, this being caused by theflexing of the rubber mounts under load.
To get the FULL benefits from the K bar kit, then YES you need to uprate the gearbox mounting from the standard setup.
In my Ragtop (roadcar setup) I have used the CB Performance Rhino gearbox mount kit, with a strap over the bellhousing and and a mid mount strap kit.
This works very well, but in some instances i get very minor tramp.
With my 76 road beetle that is now being used for street drags, I have solid mounted the gearbox via a custom cradle and the berg style mid mount that
is solid (no urethane washer). This is the best solution for race applications and minor road use, but if you have a street beetle/daily driver then I
would suggest the rhino mounts.
http://www.cbperformance.com/catalog.asp?ProductID=643
http://www.cbperformance.com/catalog.asp?ProductID=641
I have a solid kit available for sale, pm if youre interested.
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Craig Torrens
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| posted on July 29th, 2010 at 10:38 AM |
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Does the 3 point brace work with heater boxes?
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Have you had an opportunity to check, whether the torque bar fits with heater boxes?
Like Funbug, I'm interested in running the 3 bar set up with heater boxes.
Thanks.
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Will find out this weekend 
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| posted on July 29th, 2010 at 11:50 AM |
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Mine didnt clear, the left heaterbox hit the bar with the bellhousing about 1" from home
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| posted on July 29th, 2010 at 09:46 PM |
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Mine didnt clear, the left heaterbox hit the bar with the bellhousing about 1" from home
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Joel how did you overcome that?
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| posted on July 29th, 2010 at 09:54 PM |
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I ditched the VW engine 
sorry not much help.
I had to run Jpipes to get it to fit
If you got creative with a welder and some pipe you might be able to send the heaterbox around the the bar
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| posted on July 29th, 2010 at 10:26 PM |
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Would a ball pene hammer help it fit, maybe dent the heaterbox enough?
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| posted on September 21st, 2010 at 10:29 PM |
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Would be interesting to see a kit for the type3. Thats the early ones with frame horns of course 
No use on late model unless you bolt on an early subframe first. Would have to be all weld on tabs because of the way the shocker bolts on at the top.
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| posted on September 26th, 2010 at 10:31 PM |
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Would be interesting to see a kit for the type3. Thats the early ones with frame horns of course
No use on late model unless you bolt on an early subframe first. Would have to be all weld on tabs because of the way the shocker bolts on at the top.
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The principle would be the same, but the cross bar wouldn't work obviously... There is no top shock bolt to link to.... I reckon if one was to
fabricate a top plate that replaces the rubber grommet that fits between the body and shock tower, the cross bar and drop links could be made to
work.... I've been thinking on this for a while now....
By the way Craig... Forgot to mention.... The 3 bar I got off you last year fitted really well.... But the LHS J tube of my Berg header (fitted when I
briefly took the turbo off the POS) interfered with with LH drop link... I may have fitted the frame horn tab to close to the belhousing.... Is there
a recommended distance from the bellhousing?
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| posted on September 27th, 2010 at 08:17 AM |
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??????!!!!!!!!!!???????????? 
Thats not a good idea. you need those rubber mounts. just make a similar bracket to these bar bits but do away with the thread and just make it weld
on. (ie. 3 point weld on bracket)
I have been thinking about this a long time also, and I got a rear clip and sub frame to play with. there is tonnes of meat on the top towers to weld
to.
Also I would rather all brackets weld on rather than bolt on.
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| posted on September 27th, 2010 at 08:44 AM |
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type 3 shock towers stiff enough anyways, but yes frame horns need help like all the others.
just get craigs kit and chop off the threaded part for the shock bolt.........weld the 3 point linkage onto the shock tower.......done!
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| posted on September 27th, 2010 at 09:53 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by vlad01
??????!!!!!!!!!!????????????
Thats not a good idea. you need those rubber mounts.
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I don't have them there any longer.... I fitted machined aluminum spacers to go there.... The rear subframe is now solid mounted to the chassis and
will soon be tied into the body.... TIII's and Notch's in particular are very weak in the rear half of the body, so it all needs to be tied together
better IMHO.... A rear engine/transaxle carrier will be the next thing to fabricate, and the 'K' bar set-up will be part of this...
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| posted on September 27th, 2010 at 08:41 PM |
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what? notchback and fastback the weakest lol 
The squareback is. With its tower like rear structure, its like joining two bricks with a strip of paper.
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| posted on November 10th, 2010 at 10:12 AM |
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New to the forum, I'm interested in a 3 bar setup for a 71 Super. Cheers.
1302 to be rustored & like everybody I'm waiting for the elusive split ute!
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| posted on November 19th, 2010 at 10:29 PM |
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5 point bars oval pan
With some modification Craig's bars do the job well on an early pan
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| posted on January 8th, 2011 at 08:41 PM |
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Another happy customer here. Thanks Craig.
Kev
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Craig Torrens
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| posted on January 8th, 2011 at 08:47 PM |
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Cheers Kev......glad you're happy
Thanks to 56t4 my K Bar kits now fit beetles from 1954-1957 (Oval Pan had different shock towers!).........so ANY beetle from 54-76 can now enjoy the
benefits of this performance kit
Another 'batch' will be made shortly, so please PM me if you would like to reserve a kit
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| posted on January 8th, 2011 at 09:19 PM |
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Hi Craig
I'm begging please please please make a kit that is bolt on without welding.
Mick
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Craig Torrens
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| posted on January 8th, 2011 at 10:02 PM |
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why do you want a bolt in kit, do you not have access to a welder ?
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| posted on January 9th, 2011 at 06:04 AM |
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Hi Craig
Yes i do have 2 welders, the problem is i dont want to muck up the pretty paintwork on the pan.
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Craig Torrens
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| posted on January 9th, 2011 at 10:28 AM |
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Oh, ok ! I can weld the tabs onto the engine cradle (aftermarket cradle) if that helps ? This will mean you will have to remove the motor etc to fit
it, but it will keep your pretty paint from being damaged !!!
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| posted on January 9th, 2011 at 06:40 PM |
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Hey Craig, can you tell me the dimensions of the 5 bar kit from point to point including the brackets?
I think I have had a light bulb moments in a dream last week regarding these bars and type 3's
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| posted on January 9th, 2011 at 08:20 PM |
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Craig, PM sent. Paul
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Craig Torrens
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| posted on January 9th, 2011 at 08:22 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by vlad01
Hey Craig, can you tell me the dimensions of the 5 bar kit from point to point including the brackets?
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They're adjustable, so the point to point changes
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| posted on January 9th, 2011 at 08:52 PM |
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yeah but roughly? or are type 3 sub frames same geometry as type 1?
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| posted on May 2nd, 2011 at 09:31 AM |
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kafer cup 5 point brace
mate, i would like to express intention to order the 5ponts kafer brace for my superbeetle..can you post me some information or payment details..
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Craig Torrens
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| posted on May 3rd, 2011 at 09:14 PM |
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Hi Halimaw, i have sent you an email
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| posted on May 26th, 2011 at 12:23 PM |
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Craig,
read ya bloody PM's will ya
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Craig Torrens
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| posted on May 26th, 2011 at 04:04 PM |
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Craig,
read ya bloody PM's will ya
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I do.......you left me one today at 12.20, 3 mins before this post.
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| posted on May 26th, 2011 at 09:13 PM |
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Craig,
read ya bloody PM's will ya
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I do.......you left me one today at 12.20, 3 mins before this post.
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Yeah, but you never read the one from 2 weeks ago 
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Craig Torrens
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| posted on May 26th, 2011 at 09:16 PM |
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I didnt get that one 
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