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| posted on June 19th, 2014 at 08:21 PM |
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Good evening Pete. Thanks for dropping in a lot of this stuff has been rattling around in my head for along time. It's the matter of looking photos
of other systems drawing100 different ways to do something the card board plywood templates. you now how it goes with custom body work. how about
some photos of you work if you have any besides Vw my next flaw is the hotrod scene not ratrods though nothing nicer than a full fendered deuce
roadster or 5 window coupe drool to me I have just bought 10 tickets in the 32 coupe raffle fingers xed
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| posted on June 19th, 2014 at 11:18 PM |
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Meh, Vlad and I are just having a bit of fun.
Anyway, back to the topic of AWD Bay Kombis.
How about this one done with an EJ20 turbo and entire driveline transplanted? It's being built in France.
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| posted on June 20th, 2014 at 10:35 AM |
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Thanks Todd. that makes mine look 2bob. Nice engineering on front suspension Plus the integration of the struts on rear
ernie
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| posted on June 21st, 2014 at 04:11 PM |
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G'day all. here's my thought's on adjusters any feed back welcome. The idea being that 1 welded on each tube with a hole thru to a series of
tapped holes in the beam plates to let it up or down instead of the usual centre set up.
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| posted on June 22nd, 2014 at 12:19 PM |
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G'day all. Is it just me or can others see the face on top of the rear of the gearbox above the seal housing on output shaft. In the 4th pics from
the top in the SC. is it Jesus.
ernie
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| posted on June 22nd, 2014 at 01:41 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Meh, Vlad and I are just having a bit of fun.
Anyway, back to the topic of AWD Bay Kombis.
How about this one done with an EJ20 turbo and entire driveline transplanted? It's being built in France.
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haha thats right!
anyway, that looks like a tight fit there with that engine. Just fits by the looks.
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| posted on June 22nd, 2014 at 02:19 PM |
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Wow that's a lot of boat anchors!
1960's Buick V6 front wheel drive is not Commodore is it, so your figures are highly innacurate.
You're talking about $500 Commodore motors, not other stuff you can't get your hands on.
I call B.S. on your fuel figures. Amazing how manufacturers with billions of dollars cannot get those sorts of amazing fuel figures but you backyard
blokes can magically achieve the, with a slush box no less. If only you could have got a job at Holden, you might have saved their local production
with your skillz :-)
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now can you call bs when you are not that one actually doing it?
they are very efficient, they just got to be in good shape and not neglected, that is the key. They are given a bad wrap coz most people drive them
into the ground and half the sensors are dead and fuel system up shit creek. I was achieving average 8L/100 including giving it some in city driving.
best I got was 850k out of 63L. not bad for early 90s L27
I get only about 9.5-10L average now after overheating and seizing the engine, still alright for 300,000 motors that been absolutely flogged. My mate
still get gets on average 800-900 out of a tank on a 400,000+ car.
I picked up one nice vr that sat around since 96 in Adelaide, drove it here on one tank with a little left, that 700km on a neglected other wise good
car, slush box with 63L tank.
there is no magic, that is honestly what they do.
my figures are not inaccurate. the same buick engine been around since the 70s and slowly evolved til ceasing production in 06( supposed to be in 99,
but investors went berserk, demanding to extend production) in favor of the current chev HFV6. The same engines were used in may cars around the
world. I even by brand new engine parts direct from GM in the states, I just cross reference the engine with the Pontiac FWD models over there.
Same engine!
interestingly, been looking at the weights of various suby H6 engines.
some of the earlier H6 were heaver than the cast iron buick lol  boat
anchor!
Ok, done with that.
more interestingly.
The current HFV6 3.6L is a real contender to the current H6 basically same weight, more rev range, flatter and fatter torque curve( more like a line)
more power! over 300hp NA. heaps of awesome features. only thing is its managed by a bosch PCM 
its also got 6 bolt mains, all alloy, quad cam with dual VVT, forged coated piston, forged bottom end, piston oil jet squirters, ladder bridge girdle
across the block valley, dual knock adaptive spark, direct injection, COPs among other features.
one of the plants is in port Melbourne, so its Aussie built, US ones are built in Michigan. best part is a complete crate motor with all accessories
and ECU. $5200
hmmm very tempting, except the Bosch PCM is a real turn off. A bastard to hack!
ok, my history lesson is done
oh one other thing, E85 out of the box, without any fuel sensors or added complexity. it does it using the existing O2 sensors, knock and various
other standard management sensors. the PCM is cleaver enough to work out which fuel or mixture of its using.
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| posted on June 22nd, 2014 at 03:13 PM |
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WHAT ABOUT ECLECTIC
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| posted on June 22nd, 2014 at 04:08 PM |
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electric engine?
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| posted on June 23rd, 2014 at 09:41 AM |
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G'day vlad. NO ECLETIC in this build not much more can be sais in the above debate.
ERNIE
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| posted on June 23rd, 2014 at 11:50 AM |
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Eclectic? Are you posting about Eclectic in our V6 Commodore vs Flat 6 Subie thread Ernie???!!!!
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| posted on June 23rd, 2014 at 12:19 PM |
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I thought that was a spelling mistake.
Had to google that word, never seen it before. Makes sense now.
Todd, had a look at LS1 bell housing pattern. sure is an odd one, never actually seen that pattern before.
the Buick uses GM metric 60º pattern along with some of the other Holden engines.
The HFV6 uses something entirely new. well, something for me to think about anyway.
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| posted on June 23rd, 2014 at 06:33 PM |
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LS1 is LSX is Chevy V8 small block and big block is 308 turbo as well.
Seems the V6 commie and TH700 slushie is something else.
I've got the pattern off the net anyway.
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| posted on June 23rd, 2014 at 07:29 PM |
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TH700 appears to come in various patterns? For a min I was thinking wtf is a TH700? Its been a LONG time since I even batted an eye at an auto.
More familiar with the 4L60E as they can be fully manualized. Autos are boat anchors anyway, literally, damn things weigh shit loads. 120kg.
This what I know very well.
but more importantly would get to get a pattern for the HFV6 as that engine is the best candidate.
very different looking here.
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| posted on June 23rd, 2014 at 10:02 PM |
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Just came across an Aussie mob that do a manifold for these. with a worked engine in combo with the CPR6 manifold they getting close to 500hp NA out
of a 3.6!!! WTF! how is that possible!!?? talk about a power
house. I am very impressed.
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| posted on June 23rd, 2014 at 11:24 PM |
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The Alfa 159 3.2 V6 is a GM engine with different heads. SAAB use them too.
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| posted on June 24th, 2014 at 09:52 AM |
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Oh wow, that's interesting for sure and is a whole other setup.
I like it.
Plus E85 outta the box.
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| posted on June 24th, 2014 at 01:39 PM |
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So what dinkbat put the thermostat down the back of that motor
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| posted on June 24th, 2014 at 10:38 PM |
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So what dinkbat put the thermostat down the back of that motor
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merica! did. guess its to suit the more common fwd setup.
interestingly, i see in/outlet on the front.
but i see here its just got a pipe that goes to the back.
reminds me of the vn days when they first put a LN3 v6 in them that were right out of FWD application. Stat was at the back
you can see the pipe here, pretty small so I gather these don't have much cooling requirements due to the efficiency of them.
Stat at the back, not that bad, more direct route for at least one of the cooling lines.
EDIT:
Holden application LFX engine.
pretty neat! yeah stat certainly art the back, but easy access to the cool side pipe instead of routing it all the way around.
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| posted on June 24th, 2014 at 10:43 PM |
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Oh wow, that's interesting for sure and is a whole other setup.
I like it.
Plus E85 outta the box.
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now were are talking.
Todd do you know a definitive weight figure for a complete EZ36?
I can only find rough figures on early H6 engines, been searching for months on this, can't find shit on EZ series.
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| posted on June 28th, 2014 at 09:25 PM |
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had a new friend let me take measurements of his SIDI 3.6.
height still the same 570mm as always with the v6. but the crank sits low, about 200 above the sump. So the engine is shorter but made taller again to
be the same as the buick by the DOHC heads and big ass manifold.
width is approx 600ish, more like 680 from alternator to far side top rocker cover edge. engine is pretty narrow down low though.
length  480mm  that is shorter than a vw engine in complete form, apples for apples. minus exhaust of course.
Pretty compact engines in person. would fit great in a bus or type 3 or similar engine bay. Bugs would be out of the question I would think.
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| posted on June 29th, 2014 at 07:07 PM |
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G'day all. spent 5 mins with a holesaw to drill holes through the front bar & crush bar the slid in this bar I think it looks ok so it stay's
save me fitting fog lights in the holes. It's stailess steel & best part was freebie
ernie
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| posted on June 29th, 2014 at 10:46 PM |
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nice! so whats your plans for the radiator, rear mount or front?
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| posted on June 30th, 2014 at 08:06 AM |
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Good morning Vlad I took a pic of the radiator sitting behind bar but the vover was over it will retake 1 this morning thinking seriously about front
just need to look at a nicer way to run the hoses some of the pics I have seen look terrible like an after thought looking at possibility putting of
90 deg
bends on pipes & sown through the top of the bar our through the bottom instead of ugly hoses coming out under & around the bar. If I front
mount I will get some nice stainless mess for it.
ernie
I don't like it here back to the engine bay it goes
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| posted on July 14th, 2014 at 06:05 PM |
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G'day all. spent some time setting up the rear lift plate on left side to see if they will do what I want. if the lift is to high I will revert back
to just using them as spacers to allow the axles slide for movement In the cv's. spent 1/2 hour dropping front end it dropped the stopped DOH the
shock tower extensions from the previous owner hung up so have to unbolt the damn things to get it out
ernie
plenty off room for the tyres now have to fit the fronts first to see what will fit then if it's to high in rear will drop it back
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| posted on July 15th, 2014 at 03:17 PM |
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G'day all. old beam out spread beam in now to adjust the ride height the spot weld the tubes should have it completed by end of next week. then build
the front diff support cage & mount the power steering. Couple of pics.
ernie
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| posted on July 22nd, 2014 at 07:55 PM |
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Good evening all. Refit the beam today sorted out the end plate measurements. I think it will be restricted to 15'' rims as theses hit the guards.
also made this in 20 minutes this morning to take the weight instead of on the stuffed shoulder.
ernie
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| posted on July 22nd, 2014 at 09:18 PM |
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Amazing Ernie. Seeing those fourby front hubs in there is something else!!! Keep up the good work, this thing is going to be awesome.
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| posted on July 22nd, 2014 at 09:34 PM |
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Thanks Matt. if everything goes to plan should have it ready to fire in about 3 to 4 months. the rear disc assemblies should be ready to bolt up at
the end of next week. waiting for engineer to fit the drilling & tapping in for me Rather pay him than stuff around myself. I like the look of the
hubs makes it look the part. had a fiddle with the camber after setting it up looks like it will work ok using the Vw adjusters.
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| posted on July 24th, 2014 at 03:39 PM |
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Gday all. squared the tubes up but under load from control arms & spindles so will have try without the spindles the pics of the front with the
mik crate will give & idea of the lift achieved through the longer spindles & spread beam combined.
standard height
with lift.
the tube problem
the amount it needs to moved to the right
thanks to people following the build see you at Valla not with ECELECTIC unfortunately
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