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 Old Hutcho
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| posted on May 13th, 2013 at 08:44 PM |
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NGK B7ES too cold?
I am having heat issues and I am thinking about replacing my NGK B5ES plugs with B6ES or even B7ES. Is the B7ES too cold a plug for a 1776 stocker
running slightly higher comp (7.5:1)??
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| posted on May 13th, 2013 at 08:51 PM |
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I wouldnt be calling 7.5:1 high
Low if anything
What is the problem??
Hot oil? Head temps"
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| posted on May 13th, 2013 at 08:58 PM |
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Yeah as Hypo engines go its not a Hypo. But it does run hot (Both my engines run over 100deg on mild days. The other is 1916 with a cam and about
8.5 to 1 comp) I just dont like that sort of heat on mild days. In the summer they tend to run hotter than that unless I nurse them a bit. Some
reading on the Google tells me that some guys in the US are running the 7 plugs in desert heat and seem to be doing fine. Just looking to get some
heat out of the system. Oil pressure and circulation is fine in both engines. Heads are all new with s/s valves and slightly bigger valves. Stock
rockers in both engines.
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| posted on May 13th, 2013 at 09:30 PM |
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i pretty sure if you go to a 7 in ngk this will increase the head temp .....................................
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| posted on May 13th, 2013 at 09:31 PM |
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Maybe I will. Thats the sort of info I am after though. Should I go the other way and drop the head temps?
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| posted on May 13th, 2013 at 10:17 PM |
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With NGK a 5 is a hotter plug than a 7
http://www.ngk.com.au/spark-plugs/technical-information/heat-range-explanation
Too hot a plug will give higher combustion temps, pinging etc... just like you can get with running too lean.
What do the plugs look like if you pull them ???
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| posted on May 13th, 2013 at 11:02 PM |
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As Dave said, wiith NGK 5 is hotter than 7. It's not about cylinder temps but plug temp, the plug needs to operate at it's optimal temperature. I
generally use 7 when using NGK
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| posted on May 14th, 2013 at 06:38 AM |
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matt is that because you use a higher comp in your motors
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| posted on May 14th, 2013 at 08:04 AM |
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No, I use low comp for most, 7.5-8.5 depending on application, altho I'm tending to increasing it somewhat these days as we have awesome fuel
available now.
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| posted on May 14th, 2013 at 01:14 PM |
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I just fitted 5's in my 2276 again, my old plugs were only 10,000 km and are pretty shattered.. issues!!
Maybe I should run 7's? I reckon my C/R is only 8.5 ish..
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| posted on May 14th, 2013 at 03:33 PM |
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OK. I have taken all the above on board. So what are we talking here. If the plug is colder does it transfer the heat from the combustion process
to the head? Thereby increasing top end and subsequently oil temps? Or do we use a hotter plug and let the plug dissipate some of the heat? Is a
hotter plug going to allow me to run the heads cooler?
Just for the record, I have pulled the plugs and they seem to be burning OK. Light brownish/grey residue. I dont think I am running too lean. If I
go up half a jet size I have popping problems on acceleration.
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| posted on May 14th, 2013 at 07:41 PM |
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This is an interesting site.
http://www.ngk.com/learning-center/article/207/i-have-slightly-modified-my-mo...
Particularly interesting was the assertion that going one range colder will remove 70 to 100 deg from the combustion chamber. Thats a hell of a lot.
Anybody got any experience with that?
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| posted on May 14th, 2013 at 07:55 PM |
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I run D6EA in my engine with its 8.6:1 compression
The 7's did not have enough heat for my engine.
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| posted on May 14th, 2013 at 07:56 PM |
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Hmm, not long ago they had this forum thread here stating there was nothing wrong with running 100 degrees:
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=101612#pid951644
this is for oil temp.
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| posted on May 14th, 2013 at 08:05 PM |
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Vassy, what sort of driving do you do. I dont get too hot around town only on long runs. My oil temp (according to the gauge) is over 100 deg on
even mild days. I certainly cant hang on to the dipstick. If it didnt creep over 100 I would be pretty happy with that.
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| posted on May 14th, 2013 at 08:07 PM |
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105 degrees on a long run is fine (in my opinion)
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| posted on May 14th, 2013 at 08:12 PM |
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105 deg is fine on a long run, I agree. But I cant push the car, specially in hot weather. 120 deg is over the top and I can get there without too
mujch trouble.
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| posted on May 14th, 2013 at 09:09 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Old Hutcho
120 deg is over the top and I can get there without too mujch trouble.
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Well there's more to it than plugs
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| posted on May 15th, 2013 at 06:05 AM |
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I agree with Matt
I only get to 100 degrees when it is a heatwave and I have been cruising at 70mph
Most of the time I barely crack 80 degrees.
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| posted on May 15th, 2013 at 07:21 AM |
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Have you checked the accuracy of your temp.gauge, Young Hutcho?
Stick the sensor in boiling water for a while, and it should read 100 degrees C. [Don't burn yourself].
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| posted on May 15th, 2013 at 08:03 AM |
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Has it still got the original lid that I had? From memory its the unvented one, try slicing open a tennis ball and popping it over the latch to prop
the engine open a little and see if you get an improvement. Same with plugs, just try them, can't hurt.
As per Greg's suggestion about the gauge put a teabag in the boiling water as well. I prefer earl grey. Seems a shame to waste a pot of boiling
water.
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