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| posted on March 23rd, 2014 at 12:37 PM |
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Original colour or same year different colour
Hello,
So I'm just wanting peoples feedback on that old chestnut of staying original or changing things slightly.
I have a 56 Oval that requires a re-spray inside and out and the original colour is Coral Red.
Now I don't think it's the best colour VW came up with but I do however think that from the same year was Stratos Silver. A much nicer colour in my
opinion.
But the question is, who would pay top dollar for which paint colour. One is the OE paint and the other is period correct but not the OE paint for
that vehicle.
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| posted on March 23rd, 2014 at 12:47 PM |
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It is your car, so do as you please.
Having said that, and because you asked.......
The Strato Silver is an original colour for a German built car. It was not offered here as an option......Nor was Corel Red. Australia had Manly Tan.
Either of these colours should not de-value the car.
If it was going to be painted a non factory colour like purple, yellow , pink etc. then the resale value will be severley affected.
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| posted on March 23rd, 2014 at 06:33 PM |
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Are you planning to sell the car anytime soon?
If not go with what you want.. stratos silver is a cool colour, personally I don't like coral red so much. To me colour can always be changed so
it's not such a big deal, in terms of value I would think once the original paint has been removed as long as you stick to a vw colour its not really
going to have much effect.
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| posted on March 23rd, 2014 at 07:43 PM |
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Cool. A few more opinions b4 I make my mind up cos this resto will be sold once complete and having a general consensus helps point me in the right
direction.
Interesting about Stratos and Coral not being available in Oz. I looked up the colour chart for 56 Beetles on Wolfsburg West and the faded red on the
vehicle at present pointed me to Coral Red as it's the only Red VW used in 56. Well, at least from the WW colour charts.
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| posted on March 23rd, 2014 at 09:15 PM |
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WW does not show Aussie colours. It shows colours for German built cars.
Your car would have came to Australia as a CKD kit, then assembled and painted here. If you think it is Coral Red, then it is more than likely Many
Tan.
Pretty sure Phil will chime in here, as I think he has the Australian list of colours used.
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| posted on March 25th, 2014 at 12:16 AM |
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posted by farkengruven
WW does not show Aussie colours. It shows colours for German built cars.
Your car would have came to Australia as a CKD kit, then assembled and painted here. If you think it is Coral Red, then it is more than likely Many
Tan.
Pretty sure Phil will chime in here, as I think he has the Australian list of colours used.
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Yea, I found the Oz colours after the first few posts. Have to say that the Manly Tan is pretty awful and less alluring than Coral Red.
Pigeon Blue is a rather bland light pastel colour and can't find a picture of Mountain Blue so so far Stratos Silver is looking pretty good so
far.
If you think differently then please feel free to chime in
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| posted on March 25th, 2014 at 06:32 AM |
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The list of Australian paint colours is here, together with an explanation of why Australian VWs are different from German/US VWs:
http://www.clubvw.org.au/vwpaint
Are you restoriing the car to sell it? or are you keeping it for yourself? If you are only restoring it to sell, it will be worth more to collectors
if it stays its original colour. If it's for you, paint it whatever colour you like, it's your car. My 2c.
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| posted on March 25th, 2014 at 06:34 AM |
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I thought stratos silver was a American only 54 Colour and 55-56 was polar silver? Stratos is very blue and goes silver in the sun, I painted a
quarter of my 54 this Colour before changing my mind. Dino on here has just painted his 54 stratos.
I personally prefer polar, more silver with a hint of dirtiness mushroom Colour in it.
Here is mine before it was stripped bac for the new Colour that I am finally happy with. Yes it's another silver.
Good luck with your choice.
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| posted on March 25th, 2014 at 08:11 PM |
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as it's not a keeper then hence this thread for people thoughts.
I know that Stratos was used in USA and Europe but not here but have also found the Aussies to not be so concerned about originality.
Hence asking the question to see what Aussie VeeDubbers prefer.
The Manly Tan is such a dirty looking colour and the Stratos is so clean and bright.
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| posted on March 25th, 2014 at 08:42 PM |
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Stratos is very dark in the shade. Almost like a Royal metallic blue. You should sample it before you choose.
Have you seen a car in polar?
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| posted on March 26th, 2014 at 07:05 PM |
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Polar? Um, nope. I'd buy some sample pots n spray up some sample panels before going the whole hog 
Anyone else have an opinion on the colour choice?
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| posted on March 26th, 2014 at 07:13 PM |
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Original colour or same year different colour
Hello,
So I'm just wanting peoples feedback on that old chestnut of staying original or changing things slightly.
I have a 56 Oval that requires a re-spray inside and out and the original colour is Manly Tan.
Now I don't think it's the best colour VW came up with but I do however think that from the same year was Stratos Silver. A much nicer colour in my
opinion.
But the question is, who would pay top dollar for which paint colour. One is the OE paint and the other is period correct but not the OE paint for
that vehicle.
Ta muchly
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| posted on March 26th, 2014 at 08:00 PM |
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I personally think the quality of the resto is more important than the colour
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| posted on March 26th, 2014 at 09:37 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Governor
I personally think the quality of the resto is more important than the colour
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Couldn't agree more it's the details that matter,good straight pannels nice gaps etc etc.The good thing about a nicly detailed resto in the correct
colour other than being correct if some one has a problem with the colour you can say take up with the original owner.On the other hand do it because
you love and plan on dying with it you probally can't go wrong either.But if your mind set is i'm gonna make money out of this you'll die with
something you don't love and nobody else will.Thats my 2 cents.
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| posted on March 26th, 2014 at 09:49 PM |
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why two postson the same topic
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| posted on March 27th, 2014 at 09:13 PM |
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I'm very anal when it comes to making any type of repair so the resto will be of high standard.
As I can do all the work myself and the purchase price was good I'm looking to restore and sell on. Hence asking peoples thoughts on the colour.
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| posted on March 27th, 2014 at 09:14 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by coletrickle
why two postson the same topic
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Oh, just trying to catch as many opinions as possible really
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| posted on March 28th, 2014 at 08:40 PM |
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As many opinions as possible eh.
Traps for young players like me 25 years ago. Bought 3 Mk 3 Ford Zepyrs. Toiled for 2 years to make them into one beaut fully restored car. The
mistake- wrong colour.
The original colour was a very rare turquiose with white roof. Not a colour I liked. So search for a nice blue. It looked the goods but it wasnt
original and Zephyr nuts knew it. The blue colour was a shde darker than Holdens 1983 "Formula Blue" so every time it was displayed "here comes the
Holden Zephyr". Jibes werent the issue it was the fact that it was the only thing on the car that took it away from its originality. Had I stayed
with turquoise it would have been the only one in Australia.
In my view any colour that has been prepared and painted looks ace new, even the array of mustards VW's had in the 70's.
I wont continue and talk about the other Zephyr I had that was painted a torana colour - Mandarin Red. Yuk! I'd stay original.
If it was a trike beetle it wouldnt matter LOL
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| posted on March 28th, 2014 at 09:56 PM |
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posted by tweety
As many opinions as possible eh.
Traps for young players like me 25 years ago. Bought 3 Mk 3 Ford Zepyrs. Toiled for 2 years to make them into one beaut fully restored car. The
mistake- wrong colour.
The original colour was a very rare turquiose with white roof. Not a colour I liked. So search for a nice blue. It looked the goods but it wasnt
original and Zephyr nuts knew it. The blue colour was a shde darker than Holdens 1983 "Formula Blue" so every time it was displayed "here comes the
Holden Zephyr". Jibes werent the issue it was the fact that it was the only thing on the car that took it away from its originality. Had I stayed
with turquoise it would have been the only one in Australia.
In my view any colour that has been prepared and painted looks ace new, even the array of mustards VW's had in the 70's.
I wont continue and talk about the other Zephyr I had that was painted a torana colour - Mandarin Red. Yuk! I'd stay original.
If it was a trike beetle it wouldnt matter LOL
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I'd use a colour used by VW for the beetles built that year but most of the Oz colour are pig ugly TBH. And who would want to drive around in
something, that in the case of Manly Tan, looks dirty even when it's clean?
I'm all for originality but seriously a lot of those Oz colours are horrible and don't want to paint it in an ugly original colour if no one wants
it.
Plus the fact that if you respray a faded colour back to shiney it's technically not the original paint anymore and Oz VW records aren't available
to say what the orig colour was for that chassis number. well, as far as I'm aware.
I just don't want to waste good money on the paint 
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| posted on March 29th, 2014 at 11:48 AM |
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For me, being totally for resale, I'd go the og colour the car was. Tastes change.
As for the Oz colours looking bad, I think a lot of that is just due to the samples or digital reproductions. When the paint is clean/polished, any
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| posted on March 29th, 2014 at 07:08 PM |
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For me, being totally for resale, I'd go the og colour the car was. Tastes change.
As for the Oz colours looking bad, I think a lot of that is just due to the samples or digital reproductions. When the paint is clean/polished, any
colour looks ace IMO.
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Well, I'll get a sample of Manly Tan too and see how it looks.
i know taste is subjective but to me a period correct colour is all that matters
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| posted on March 29th, 2014 at 08:24 PM |
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Well, I'll get a sample of Manly Tan too and see how it looks.
i know taste is subjective but to me a period correct colour is all that matters
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Im suffering from the same conundrum with my 56 which I believe was manly tan also. I've had the car a long time and my plans have changed a few
times. It would be good if someone painted sheets of steel in each of the colours and then sliced them up unto real world paint chips. I'd buy
that.
I reckon if 6 of us went to different painters we would end up with 6 different Manly Tans. Its too hard to get a good read on colours from the
computer screen. Pictures of the same car are different colours in different lights/different cameras, and who is to say if my monitor is representing
the image as it should anyway. There is a US spec green that I'm partial to, but on Samba there is debate on which green is which and I'm still none
the wiser.
My current view is that I will just go for a 50s style colour.
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| posted on March 30th, 2014 at 01:06 AM |
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Well, I'll get a sample of Manly Tan too and see how it looks.
i know taste is subjective but to me a period correct colour is all that matters
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Im suffering from the same conundrum with my 56 which I believe was manly tan also. I've had the car a long time and my plans have changed a few
times. It would be good if someone painted sheets of steel in each of the colours and then sliced them up unto real world paint chips. I'd buy
that.
I reckon if 6 of us went to different painters we would end up with 6 different Manly Tans. Its too hard to get a good read on colours from the
computer screen. Pictures of the same car are different colours in different lights/different cameras, and who is to say if my monitor is representing
the image as it should anyway. There is a US spec green that I'm partial to, but on Samba there is debate on which green is which and I'm still none
the wiser.
My current view is that I will just go for a 50s style colour.
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You have to look around but there are paint suppliers who have chip books. The actual colour painted on sheets of card in small rectangles.
In the UK I was used to my local body shop having chip books from PPG, DeBeer, Glasurit etc to look thru.
Also, the colour should always come out correct if they follow the recipe correctly of the original manufacturer.
I've got some galv bond that I can cut up in A5 size panels and bend a swage line into to spray the sample pots onto. Hey presto, colour sample
This is what I suggest you do so you can have a much firmer idea of how the car will look in that colour.
It's about $25 for a sample pot and then a local body shop shouldn't cost more than $100 to paint the sample panels for you especially if you've
prepped the panels for them.
Oh, and the primer makes a big difference to the eventual colour as the topcoat is partially translucent and so the colour of the primer will affect
the topcoats final colour.
For example, if you use yellow primer under a red topcoat then the red will look more vibrant and bright compared to if you use a grey or red primer.
These will make the red look darker.
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I've found the chip books are totally necessary these days, to confirm the colours as over the years the formula's have been modified so many times
as the pigments and paint bases have changed. I have had customers that have been to 4 different paint suppliers and asked for the one colour. The
variety of colours was amazing, all from the one formula!!! I have a Spies Hecker book that covers many of the Aussie colours, but I'm sorry, I
won't loan the book out. it's too rare and irreplaceable. Anyone is welcome to come and look at it tho.
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I've found the chip books are totally necessary these days, to confirm the colours as over the years the formula's have been modified so many times
as the pigments and paint bases have changed. I have had customers that have been to 4 different paint suppliers and asked for the one colour. The
variety of colours was amazing, all from the one formula!!! I have a Spies Hecker book that covers many of the Aussie colours, but I'm sorry, I
won't loan the book out. it's too rare and irreplaceable. Anyone is welcome to come and look at it tho.
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well that's just a total PITA then. You'd think the OE manufacturer could keep the colour correct
Good thing I've found what seems to be the only paint supplier in Brissy that has swatch books
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