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 jobie
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| posted on November 19th, 2014 at 07:56 PM |
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airkewld brakes
Has anyone had any dealings with getting these registered in Vic?
http://www.airkewld.com/product-p/4208.htm
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| posted on November 19th, 2014 at 09:34 PM |
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Almost certain the Wilwood caliper is difficult to get registered
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| posted on November 19th, 2014 at 10:20 PM |
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All that effort and it still is a solid rotor, you would think that any brakes that purports to be a performance brake would be ventilated.
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| posted on November 20th, 2014 at 10:19 AM |
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Why is the Wilwood caliper is difficult to get registered
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| posted on November 20th, 2014 at 03:06 PM |
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Not a standard part that has passed through the ADR process, most do not also have secondary piston seals so they are illegal to use.
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| posted on November 20th, 2014 at 06:43 PM |
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If you are going to modify a car - it is SOOOOO much easier if you use a product from an ADR approved car
Example - using a Scheel seat that came out of a RS2000 Escort rather than an Ebay special.
That way it is only down to the mounting method rather than the item itself
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| posted on November 27th, 2014 at 06:10 PM |
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Thanks for all your replies.
So where does it leave someone looking for a brake upgrade who wants something better than the basic kits (cheap but hardly attractive) but not got
the coin for a CSP kit?
Any suggestions?
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| posted on November 27th, 2014 at 06:47 PM |
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depends what you want to do and what PCD you want to run
Straight out easiest is a pan swap for a late 4 bolt pan
If you want to stay wide 5 then the VVDS, although aftermarket, has had good results in getting engineering approval
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| posted on November 27th, 2014 at 10:03 PM |
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I would not do ANY dealings with airkewld ever again. There parts have never been engineered by anyone and it is hard as f#$%^ to get any info on the
manufacturing process that they have gone through in production.
When you ask questions your either not answered or basically told not interested. I am currently going through the process of having drop spindles
engineered and jab had to start from scratch as they won't hand over any info.
Run a set of ford, Holden, Mazda brakes, much easier to do and engineer and bigger wheel choice. Especially if you go ford 114.3
C'mon kids gather round,
there's a new sensation hitting town,
It's moving straight, low to the ground,
it'll pick you up when your feeling down.
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| posted on November 28th, 2014 at 06:19 AM |
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Why choose brakes manufacturer has not done the engineering on his product, I spoke the other day to VVDS about a set of there five stud brakes for a
friend, you are also on your own there engineering wise as he told me they do not have a engineered drawings, heat numbers for the material or the
calculations for the design, you are on your own with every possibility that the engineer will not accept responsibility for the brakes, I went
through the whole process with my engineer who required all of the previous mentioned things. how all these after market brakes get on the road is
beyond me.
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| posted on December 3rd, 2014 at 09:37 PM |
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I am sticking with the wide 5.
So who does produce a fully engineered disk brake kit for these things???
If I go more power i need to upgrade to a disk kit but which one. Asthetics are important but I'm thinking that I might not have much of a choice.
I think I will stay away from anyone who can't provide some sort of compliance paperwork. If I stick wih the ford, holden, mazda etc option is it
only the calipers that I need to worry about or are there other components that I need to thnk about compliance wise?
Cheers
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| posted on December 4th, 2014 at 04:27 AM |
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Huge market for this. No suppliers
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| posted on December 4th, 2014 at 08:31 AM |
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CSP brake kit is tuv approved, which is one of the toughest standards in the world. But apparently this is not enough for OUR beloved engineers. Go
figure, oh and they get to put there hand in your pocket to tick & flick approval. No conflict of interest there. My2c
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| posted on December 6th, 2014 at 06:37 AM |
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Again it is the unknown, does CSP provide all the information so the engineer feels confident to take them on, if you get no engineering documentation
you have no idea what and how it is made.
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| posted on December 8th, 2014 at 10:14 PM |
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Okay. Can anyone tell me which disc brake kits come fully compliant to Australian standards (in particular I'm after Vic compliance) but all
states.
Maybe this site could do with another category where complianced components can be listed (sub categories included). Or is this available already at
another site?
I'm sure there would be many who have fallen into the trap of spending a lot of coin only to have to spend a lot more coin on getting their cars
registered. I have even spoken with some specialists who are not sure if the product they sell is legal!
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| posted on December 8th, 2014 at 10:48 PM |
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Sorry to tell you but you will be at the whim of which ever engineer (they never have set rates) you contact first. He may charge you a little or a
lot (depending on what bills he has that week) and the cops could still send you over the pits and THEIR engineer can fail you if, in his opinion, the
mod is not safe. Thus voiding your insurance (if you can get coverage) and devaluing your asset. Yet car manufacturers (company engineers) can build
faulty cars that kill multipule customers and no one gets charged. Great system hey. Good luck. My2c
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| posted on December 9th, 2014 at 05:25 AM |
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The CSP kit is apparently approved, I tried all the Aussie suppliers of these kits when I did the brakes on my Baja and not one of them could supply
me any paperwork proving this statement.
In the end I changed to a regular stud pattern and used factory parts from other vehicle manufactures.
The bad news Jobie is, there is no such thing as a bolt on kit in Australia.
Quit calling rust patina
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| posted on December 9th, 2014 at 06:00 AM |
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The CSP kit is NOT approved
As Luft said its up to the engineer doing the inspection.
As far as I am aware there are NO kits that come with approval.
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| posted on December 9th, 2014 at 06:50 AM |
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If the suppliers were smart they could supply you with all the documentation to take to the engineer but they choose not to, great cutomer service,
that is why i made and engineered my own.
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| posted on December 9th, 2014 at 09:23 AM |
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posted by vwo60
If the suppliers were smart they could supply you with all the documentation to take to the engineer but they choose not to, great cutomer service,
that is why i made and engineered my own.
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Hi vw o60 do you have some detailed pics of yours
Thanks Fabo...
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| posted on December 9th, 2014 at 09:42 AM |
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Again as far as I am aware there are no parts from overseas that have a blanket approval.
Things such as beams or the Red9 suspension kits are not approved it depends on the engineer who inspects it or approves it, but as mentioned above
what one engineer approves, another can say its not approved and that is in each state never mind trying to get someting approved in one state
transferred to another!!
Now on another note even aftermarket wheels that dont have ADR could be deemed illegal!!
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| posted on December 9th, 2014 at 10:47 AM |
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Welcome to the contrary nanny state. They want everyone to be
compliant, but they make it as difficult and expensive to comply. That's how bureaucrats deal with individually. My2c
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| posted on December 10th, 2014 at 06:48 AM |
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AS they should, you need to comply with the engineering standards, it is not a cheap process, as i said you need all the enginering documenttation to
submit to the engineer, this is another point, most places are only an approval station not an automotive engineer, idiots in brisbane approve the
empi brakes but they are not an automotive engineer, red nine front end has not been destructivly tested, this is the requirement form the automotive
engineer i use, so all the kombi ones running around are not legal. no insurance or third party, suppliers should not sell the items if they are not
fit for the road.
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| posted on December 10th, 2014 at 07:26 AM |
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What a crock!!. Your engineer might not like them but the engineers down the road says there great (hence the problem for the public) Those parts are
used all over the WORLD and I don't see any of the VW websites/communities complaining of major failures or deaths from these parts. Destructive
testing is an old school approach. Computer modelling and design has replaced this approach (thats why they don't crash test Bugattis - are they
illegal?) How about some data/facts that says these parts are unsafe instead of just bagging and trying to ban them. Evidence vs Heresay , which one
holds up. My2c
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| posted on December 10th, 2014 at 11:52 AM |
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So anyone got disc brakes approved in NSW?
What brake system?
who did you use (engineer)?
How much did it cost? (Engineering certificate)?
Maybe those interested in improving their ability to stop, and improving safety for all road users, should get together and approach an engineer in
bulk. Surely if we had 5 people with similar cars and the same brake set up we could minimize overall costs.
I just want to be able to stop when that dog runs into the road.. Rather than run it over slowly.
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| posted on December 10th, 2014 at 03:22 PM |
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Did Glenn get this finished?
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=36884&page=1
It looked promising from what I remember, I haven't reread the thread.
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| posted on December 11th, 2014 at 06:49 AM |
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Computer modeling does not replace destructive testing, are they an item that has been through the ADR process, no they are not, as such they need all
the engineering done correctly, if your engineer is prepaired to that responsability for them good on him, it will all come back if some thing
happens, stand by what i have said. I see there are no Bugattis in Australia , is that because crash testing is a requirement here.
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| posted on December 11th, 2014 at 07:24 AM |
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If the laws an arse, it will be ignored. That is why god gave someone people logic and not a script. No Bugatti = just shows me again how stupid Oz
rules are compared to the rest of the world. Sad but true. My2c
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| posted on December 11th, 2014 at 10:33 AM |
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All good to ignore the law, in the end it is the responsibility of the driver of the vehicle not the vender to make sure it is complied, as for logic,
god distributed that very sparingly and that is why we have these rules, have an accident and end up in jail just like the guy in WA who killed his
three year old son because of an ileagle modification.
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| posted on December 11th, 2014 at 12:53 PM |
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...and Back to the WA locked diff.
vwo60 I understand you are a terrific guy and play by the rules. Do you have disc brakes? How did you do it? Who did you speak to, what did it
cost ( I am not suggesting anything untoward, so don't misinterpret that).
I want disc brakes. I just want some pointers from people that have done it. Or are all these cars at the local shows and in magazines all illegal ?
As I said earlier, there May be a way we could approach an engineer (as a group of like minded people) to get a set approved so this problem can get
someway to being resolved and people with these old historic cars can drive them in modern traffic (where zippy cars and young driver don't
understand you might not be able to stop in time when they cut in).
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