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| posted on September 22nd, 2003 at 01:36 AM |
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rotary conversion?
hi there,
something a bit nuts is going through my mind for my oval...a rotary conversion, as anyone done so, what needs to be done...all i want is to put the
the engine in,still carby like a 12a..maybe turbo...don't want all the trouble of fuel injection..any comments would be much appreciated...also
what gearbox to run?
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| posted on September 22nd, 2003 at 08:26 AM |
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Legally you will only get away with a naturally aspirated 12A, and only if you can prove your car weighs over 800kg. They multiply the rotary capacity
by 2 to get an equivalent capacity for the legal side of things.
Go here and you will find all the info you need on the actual conversion;
http://www.geocities.com/zenjoe/vw.html
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| posted on September 22nd, 2003 at 08:31 AM |
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rotary....nnnnnooooooooooooooo.....:puke
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| posted on September 22nd, 2003 at 06:49 PM |
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rotary yes!!!!!!!!!!!
forget these haters sleeper if you need any info let me know ill do my best to help. im also looking into this at the moment for my notch. |
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| posted on September 22nd, 2003 at 07:19 PM |
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:puke:puke:puke:puke:puke
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| posted on September 23rd, 2003 at 09:32 PM |
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Rotor Conversion
Hi There, I've just started a 13B Turbo conversion, I'm going to run the motor on straight gas to bypass the fuel injection etc. I've
mounted the radiator in the spare wheel well, and am currently looking into the most convinient way of transfering the coolent from front to back. Any
ideas ?? If you need any info please get in touch. |
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| posted on September 23rd, 2003 at 09:40 PM |
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kafer69- we get the point! you dont like rotaries, obviously sleeper does. you saw the title of this thread so next time when you see rotories in a
thread title do us all a favour and dont open it and keep your closeminded views to yourself!
OIL DRIPPERS
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| posted on September 23rd, 2003 at 09:43 PM |
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Here Here lowdown, well said !!!!! |
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| posted on September 23rd, 2003 at 10:32 PM |
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Hi
As Wes said there is factory weight to consider with all conversions. Check with your rego people. A 12A is 2.4 litre, so your car must have weighed
over 800 kgs from the factory eg 3 x 800 kgs = 2400cc maximum, a turbo 13b would need your bug to weigh 1040kg from the factory, not likely.
As far as getting the water to the front of the car, I used 1.5 inch stainless tubes running under the chassis near the heater channel bolts.
1302Steve
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| posted on September 23rd, 2003 at 10:48 PM |
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The car needs an engineers report, Brake fade test, lane change manover etc. I've located an acredited engineer in Ballarat who is happy to help
me gain rego for the car. I've heard and read of some people running flexible truck heater pipes through their heater channels, do you think this
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| posted on September 23rd, 2003 at 10:55 PM |
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I think the idea of a rotary in beetle is a good idea. I know some guys who are into rotarys and some that are into veedubs and they both have
something in common.
That is the Commodore boys all look down at them generally.
Dare to be somewhat different I say.
I get a real black and white response in the bus. Some people out of the blue at the traffic lights will wind down the window and say 'cool
man' others will say 'why do up a kombi?' or similar.
I enjoy the attention good or bad. 
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 posted on September 23rd, 2003 at 11:42 PM |
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Why Not?
Go the rotor option, no problem at all.
I'll help you,
I cant see the difference between puting a rotary engine into a bug VS removing the body and replacing it with a buggy and getting out on the sand,
Except one is easilly reversed.
VW owns NSU, and NSU owns the rights to the rotary engine design so its really not a blasphemous option.
If I had the adapter kitt funds right now, the rotary engine in my garage would be bolted in quick smart.
I find it frustrating that I need to ring Herbies neck just to merge into traffic.
130 reliable horsepower sounds good to me!
I know it not legal but a turbo rotary sounds awesome to me too,
Take a look at this.
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| posted on September 24th, 2003 at 12:01 AM |
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Hi
13Beetle, you should do some checking before go much further with your project, Im sure that you will find that you must conform to the same rules as
we do in NSW, or you will have to in the very near future.
1302Steve
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| posted on September 24th, 2003 at 04:34 AM |
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13Beetle,
any chance of some photos of how You put the Radiator in the wheel well and ducted the air thru.... Lee
- [size=4]Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY--- [/size]
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| posted on September 24th, 2003 at 06:56 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by lowdown
kafer69- we get the point! you dont like rotaries, obviously sleeper does. you saw the title of this thread so next time when you see rotories in a
thread title do us all a favour and dont open it and keep your closeminded views to yourself!
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Ok ok point taken my apolagies to anyone I upset but yes I'm not a fan of rotaries in or out of VW's however my hat goes off to Mazda for
thinking outside the square when it comes to engine development.
Just let me say in defence i'm not narrow minded if i was to walk past your car and it had a rotary conversion and it was engineered real nice I
would appreciate the work you've put in however if it looked like everyone elses i'd probably keep walking.
Take Wes's baja, hats off to him for his conversion he's done a fantastic job and it doesn't just go quick it looks good to. At the end
of the day if all you want to do is go fast relatively cheap go a rotary.
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| posted on September 24th, 2003 at 07:42 AM |
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heheh
And I was just about to point out your non standard bug avatar :P:P
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| posted on September 24th, 2003 at 07:27 PM |
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1302Steve, love your bug, I think the main problem that I'll come accross is passing the brake fade test. The engineer is recomending a brake
upgrade. I've spoken to a few poeple and they reckon 1975 porche 911 front disk (ventilated) will bolt on up front with a little machining and go
for type 3 drums on the back. What do you think?????? |
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| posted on September 24th, 2003 at 09:55 PM |
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well thanks all for the replies... i didn't suspect to see so many people interested in the rotary conversion...as well as people not interested
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herbie, let me know when you put yours in i'd love to see ti for sure..
13b ... good luck with the engineering...keep us updated.
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| posted on September 25th, 2003 at 08:19 AM |
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I can tell you the 13B isn't legal in QLD or NSW in a bug.
Vic is different, but as Steve pointed out it won't be for long.
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| posted on September 25th, 2003 at 08:28 PM |
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It sounds like I need to get moving with the project. Body and pan are seperate at the moment, sandblasted, and primered. I'm about to start the
IRS conversion then I can start painting and putting it back together. Cheers for the comments. |
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| posted on September 25th, 2003 at 09:15 PM |
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<<sarcasm alert»»
thats a great idea putting a disposable engine in a classic car....
why must you bastardise it with maztech parts when you have perfectly good choice of other brands to bastardise the oval with
do it but expect to do it again in 2 years
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| posted on September 25th, 2003 at 09:23 PM |
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To be or not to be !!
I look at it this way fuz, If there is another vee dub on the road then that is great. If someone wants to try something different (eg water cooled
engines) In their vw's then we should support this. At the end of the day it's cheep horsepower that you could have alot of fun with.
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| posted on September 25th, 2003 at 09:33 PM |
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i will start with i know crap about conversions
BUT
I thought i had read that the rotary was a high weighted motor and made the bug a bit twitchy in handling???
Comments???
Futue te ipsum!!!
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| posted on September 25th, 2003 at 09:39 PM |
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Hi
Barry, Richard from VForce had a friend who used to club race a rotary bug, when he went back to an AC motor he found the car handled much better.
1302Steve
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FUZZ
My Father always taught me that it was better to say nothing and be thought DUMB,
Than to open your mouth foolishly and remove all doubt.
If we were standing in a line at the bank, do you think you would present such a narrowminded, arrogant, missinformed yet fearlessly vocal persona?
I doubt it.
So why act like a dick here?
Would you like to come give us driving and sexual techniqe insults too.
You display a pityful knowledge of rotary engines, engineering and social skills.
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| posted on September 26th, 2003 at 10:03 AM |
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Fuz - if the rotaries are so shit and only last two years, why is it that so many of the series 1 rx-7's still have original 12A's after 20
odd years ?
Wankels are the same as vw's as holdens, ford, ferrari and any other engine you can think of - look after them right, and they will last a
shitload longer than if you cane them to death and dont look after oil etc.
Talk facts not opinions.
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| posted on September 26th, 2003 at 02:33 PM |
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:sandrine
Like I mentioned before in another thread & will do again in this one...
To each his own...
I don't care what you do to you VW as long as its on the road & looking kool.
If you want to do anything to your car...it should be appreciated for the desire to think outside the square...
If it wasn't for people like this, where would we be in motoring & technology.
Its these people who take the itinitive to discover what can & can't be done to engines & discovers new technology for us to see &
try
If you don't like something...thats fine, you are intitled to your opinion, but be mindful & considerate, & remember there are others
here with different opinions.
Respect all,
Judy
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| posted on September 27th, 2003 at 11:49 PM |
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nice one herbie, i always wonder would these people say these things to my face if they were standing in front of me???? somehow i doubt it.
OIL DRIPPERS
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| posted on September 29th, 2003 at 10:40 AM |
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OK.. so i my opinions differ from that of your own but they are exactly that my opinions.. i just think that twin rotar engines while are cheap $ - HP
they are not what i would want to put into an oval.. so yes i spurt off some unwaranted crap at times but its my opinion.. besides the last rx7 that
used to cruise with my group of friends fried.. so based on MY experiences i would not reccommend one, HOWEVER as i said these are my opinions and i
am glad that your opinions differ cos.. how boring would life be if we all thought the same thing..
and to close this sad rebuttle .. stop pickin on me im only little :P
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| posted on September 29th, 2003 at 11:34 AM |
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Having your own opinion is one thing, but being rude about it is another.
Your first post was clearly in the rude bracket, even if you were trying to be sarcastic.
Just watch the way you word your opinion, or expect a grilling. :thumb
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