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low job
so now I want to lower my Sbug.I am very happy with the quote to do the job but which one should I go for,(A)just replace the springs to the height I
want or(B) new shocks,springs and shift shock towers.now the differance is$500and I was told that my shocks would have limited travel which makes
sense.they told me to get the front done first before decide on how LOW I want the back.so can any body tell me ,if you have done this,which one?
rob
ps.this shot it had a pellet and a half of floor tiles and 3 bags glue.lol she struglled home lol!!!
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| posted on October 16th, 2003 at 02:15 PM |
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http://www.clubvw.org.au/struts.htm
First of all read this article
It all depends if you want to run stock tyres or wider
I run 6" x 16" on the front with 195's under stock guards with probabally 25mm clearance of the strut
I run the last version described in the story. Mine is a V Force adjustable strut with a King spring 85?mm Outside diameter spring and a Boge insert.
That said mine is a 1303 2 bolt'er not your 1302 3 bolter.
Also go to http://www.superbeetlesonly.com and then go to "Tech &
Stuff" There are some brillant articles there on suspension and handling
If you just want stock wheels you can just get some stock struts and get the cups lowered. The next step would be to put a different insert in so you
get better travel
I would first talk to Richard at V Force. He is very "super friendly" All the Oran Park boys except CT are supers
Jak = 1302
Deiter = 1302
Paul = 1303
Rudi = 1303
I know for a fact that Jak Deiter and Paul have a V Force strut set up.
S for your actual question my answer is
Version a) - If you are going to just run stock wheels then this is an acceptable way to go. I just sold a set of "sports" springs that gave
about a 25mm drop. Just took the edge off the high front.
Version b) - If it is $500 more then i would consider doing it properly. Thin springed adjustable V Force struts are probabally just over the $1000
mark. If your b) was over the $750 i would spring the extra cause you wont ever be able to run a nice fat front with the wide stock spring in
there.
Here is a picture of Blue 1 with the V Force struts
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| posted on October 16th, 2003 at 02:19 PM |
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And here is Blue 2 with the wheels and suspension from Blue 1
Doesnt quite show the drop
By the way a 1302 is capable of a 5" drop and the 1303 is capable of a 2" drop. This is beacause of the different style of struts.
When you go to SuperbeetlesOnly go to the Topline site
There is heaps of information there as well
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| posted on October 16th, 2003 at 03:16 PM |
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thanks for the info and I'll check out that site too!
I want to run 165 or 185 on 5(if I can chase up some) or 5.5 rims(chrome) with my hub caps on the front,205(hopfully) on 5.5 rims.Iwant the car to sit
super low on this combo?"superbugs sit to high I reckon!
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| posted on October 16th, 2003 at 03:32 PM |
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ok - then you are sitting on the fence.
I mean 165 can run on stock 4 1/2" rims and you could at a pinch run the 1185's but they would balloon.
The 5 1/2" would be a better choice
With that you would be getting touch and go to the stock spring.
The fact you want to go super low i would definitely go the second choice. Lowered perch and new inserts. New springs would help and if you look at
the Topline site you can see their Sports Spring is sort of hour glassed shaped and this would help.
That said i would seriously look at the propper article and get an adjustable thin spring set up and leave the door open for some decent wheels later.
Deiter is running 7" under stock guards with this set up.
Stece C (1302Steve) wrote the article. Have a look at his and Jaks set ups.
I would strongly suggest calling Richard on the weekend and having a chat. It wouldnt cost much to get a set of his struts sent up and just bolt them
in.
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| posted on October 16th, 2003 at 03:55 PM |
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...so should I go 5.5inch rims all round.go the $850 job but what size tyre?
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| posted on October 16th, 2003 at 04:20 PM |
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....and when I get time Barry I'll take a pic of my lowered sports springs setup, and how it's affected the ride height.
Squiz.......
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| posted on October 16th, 2003 at 04:44 PM |
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That would be great Squizzy
Rob - you may have guessed Sqizzy bought the sports springs.
We should have taken a before and after picture
Tyres - well, do you want to stay 15"?
Its a good time to go 16" - but that probabally means Porsche
Then again
http://www.aussieveedubbers.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=10013
These would look cool! Porsche wheels that come PCD130 4 bolt!
6" - you could run 185 on the front and 205 on the back.
http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/914_wheel_types/914_wheel_types.htm
There are some other choices in wheels
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| posted on October 16th, 2003 at 05:47 PM |
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I do have my hart set on chrome rims (5.5) that will take my hub-caps(VW)plus there only $145 each.so 205 on the back and what on front 165,175,185???
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| posted on October 16th, 2003 at 06:59 PM |
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I would go 185's x 50 series on the front. With 5 1/2's on the front a 165 would be a little square.
Reckon that would sit nice
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| posted on October 16th, 2003 at 07:23 PM |
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thanks again,185/50 front and 205/?...what profile on the back?
I want to put the tyres on before the job.
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| posted on October 16th, 2003 at 07:44 PM |
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Probabally 60 series?
I run 50 front and 55 back - but i run 16's - 1950 and 205
Have a talk to the tyre man and see what he says
thinking again maybe 55 and 60 would be the go.
I think stock is 65 - that is with a 155 tyre. So a 185 55 series would be about the same side wall.
If you went 205 x 60 it would be a little gigger than the front.
Make sense??
Would look the same as stock tyre height be be deeper.
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| posted on October 16th, 2003 at 08:02 PM |
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cool thanks for that!!
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| posted on October 27th, 2003 at 09:45 AM |
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I would go 185/65 r15 as this will keep ur stock rolling diameter for the tyres (or close enough). I used to run 185/65r15 all round on the L bug.
They worked well(with 5.5 by 15 inch rims), they did roll a little when i went for a blast on the hillclimb track.
I now run falken st115, 195/60r15 on the front on 6.5 inch rims and 205/60r15 on 7.5 inch rims and they are great heaps of grip and very little flex
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| posted on January 6th, 2004 at 04:58 PM |
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Robnjo
I guess from your posts your aiming for more cal look / resto rather than German look hence the chrome wheels
As for the lowering job, like you said yourself- the budget method will have you running out of travel, ie hitting the bumps stops - bad news, or will
not sit as low as your aiming for. As Blue74l said about the max you can lower a super on standard struts is 25mm. After that you need to shorten
the strut body- and hence use shorter inserts (cause longer ones won't fit no more)
The reason for the shorter strut is so you still get that all important suspension travel.
So if you want low there is a couple of ways to go- the V-Force strut- and the bonus brilliant handling that will come with it. Or another
aftermarket lowered strut such as the Topline one or Bugpack make one to- same size spring as original so it's a little cheaper- but the handling
is basically stock- which is fine unless you want to take the car thru a corner with heaps of herbs and opposite lock
As for your tyres and rims- work out what your after- ie if you want super low you may need to stay with a narrow or super low profile on the front-
ie a 50 series 185 (ie side wall is 50% of the width (185mm). Otherwise you'll end up with tyre vs guard problems.
The original tyre has a profile of 80%- although I'm not sure if that is supposed to be 165 or 155- as real original was cross ply - and I
don't really remember back that far  This link should help with
keeping the rolling radius near to original
http://www.mr2.com/FORMS/tire.html
If you change you rolling radius too much (ie use a super low profile) then your speedo will be out- which may or may not be a problem- and if you
change your rear tyres also your gearing will change- and may make motorway cruising more of a chore.
Hopefully this is of some help in making your decision- Best of luck
PS the pic is some one car off this forum- but I forget who... 71 super.
Cheers
Jeremy
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| posted on January 8th, 2004 at 08:25 PM |
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thanks guy,good info,now just got to save up again.bloody spent just over 1500 buck on this forum in the last month,not hard to do
rob
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| posted on February 12th, 2004 at 10:55 AM |
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Wow, nice thread. I am in the same boat at the moment. (I'm the guy who ended up buying those porsche wheels). Also a bit of a VW n00b.
I've got a 73 Super with 1302 Suspension (even though it was manufactered in August 73). Is it worth the money to get a strut kit (i.e. V-force,
Topline-do they sell them here?), or just do somethng cheap? At the moment I'm pretty sure that even 185s will not fit without rubbing on the
stock springs as there is ~10mm max with stock(165) tires.
After reading all the articles linked to I kinda think I'll go with a new strut kit, but would just like to know some experiences first.
My current shocks are stock and on the way out btw.
Sorry to sort of hijack this thread, but I figure the more info here the more it will benefit everyone.
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| posted on February 13th, 2004 at 11:23 AM |
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Yes - it is definitely worth it.
I am running 16" x 6" with 195's 50 series up front all under stock guards
You need the thin spring to make it work.
The adjust a strut from Topline is a stock spring. Or you can use the hour glass spring - but why not do it properly!
The Maxx is like V Force but doesnt support the strut well for my liking. (u wrap it in a bit of leather belt)
Give Richard a call on 02 9743 1247 or Alex on this site. That is his son.
It is a bolt on/off affair
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| posted on February 15th, 2004 at 01:41 PM |
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Thanks for that extra info. Will be definately doing this soon as I just finished polishing my rims, (by hand from 400-1500grit, ugh my aching hands!)
all I gotta do is paint now and buy some tires. The bug is starting to look very tidy, can't wait to get rid of my pizza cutters!
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