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 jakriz
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| posted on November 21st, 2003 at 06:27 PM |
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VW Trends 2nd Dyno day...........believe it or not..........
Just picked up the latest VW Trends magazine, & as most of u on this forum may have figured out, I like talking about big motors, hp & dynos
etc.............I also like comedy, & if u do too I suggets that u get a copy of this magazine, heres some combo's & numbers for u, U can
join the dots.............all the numbers are at the wheels..........
First some street driven cars.
2442cc turbo Karman ghia, 284hp!
2275cc turbo Oval, 336hp!
1776cc Beetle 146hp...............
2332cc Beetle , 200hp
2275cc Turbo Manx buggy, 332hp
1914cc turbo Beetle, 266hp
Then the drag cars are all over the 300hp mark that I can see just from scanning over the article.
Just for some insight, Leighs 2007cc intercooled & injected turbo had 155hp @ the wheels & it was the quickest thing that I've been in.
He also didn't have a huge fan strapped to the intercooler like the only intercooled turbo did in the magazine:kiss whilst on the dyno.
The article makes a good read at least
Jak
Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!
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| posted on November 21st, 2003 at 06:45 PM |
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Jak thats the funniest article ive read in ages....
I think tehre talkng about Japanese Horsepower.... not reall Aussie stuff.:alien
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| posted on November 21st, 2003 at 07:31 PM |
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Hmmm add the 7 carry the 3....whoooohoo!
I should get 178 horsepower out of my 2110!!
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| posted on November 21st, 2003 at 08:13 PM |
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Hello boys!:o:o:o
Now THATS insane!!!
And if any Street Machine reader comes up with "thats not much" then they're forgetting these are powering cars under 1000kgs!
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| posted on November 21st, 2003 at 08:26 PM |
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The Honda S2000 sports, with VVTi, multiple valves, multi-port injection and an 8500 rpm redline puts out 176 kW from 2 litres (at the flywheel), say
156 BHP at the wheels.....
and yet it is - allegedly - outgunned by even the NA volkswagens.
How does this stuff get written?
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| posted on November 21st, 2003 at 09:22 PM |
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Do they have 1/4 mile times to back the power claims up? Are they really BS or are we too slow? I think someone said leighs 155 hp was made at low
rpm, these cars probably make peak power at 7 - 8500 rpm im guessing. Have to get the article. |
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| posted on November 21st, 2003 at 09:58 PM |
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Yawn, so a 1776 is just shy of Leigh's HP............. yeah right !!!
there so full of:puke
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| posted on November 21st, 2003 at 09:59 PM |
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Hi
You can read about it here http://www.vwtrendsweb.com/events/0311vwt_dynoday/
Looking at some of the turbo setups, big cams, big turbos and big boost seems to be in vogue, wonder how the street ones drive or how long they
last?
1302Steve
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| posted on November 21st, 2003 at 10:57 PM |
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Oh yeh, the turbo Oval with the intercooler was the only one with disk brakes & IRS, the rest had drum brakes & swingaxle................then
they ask, but how did my car just swing violently into the other lane & hit the wall.............
It's not rocket science!
They also bragged that the followed the turbo Oval for at least 30 minutes on the road to the Photo shoot, making it a true street
car...............I'm in stitches!!
Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!
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| posted on November 21st, 2003 at 10:59 PM |
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Steve,
they would drive like this...
idle up, clutch out, accelerator down.............................................................................................................
wait for it ...............................................................................massive wheelspin for 0.5 seconds, redline, 2nd gear .....
repeat until 4th.
Not Very Streetable I would imagine.
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Craig Torrens
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| posted on November 21st, 2003 at 11:03 PM |
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love your work Doug !!! but you forgot........................ get to fourth ....back down through the gears..........pull out and rebuild
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| posted on November 22nd, 2003 at 05:21 AM |
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Now all of you remember thers only ONE country in the world the goodoldUSA....
pissing myself
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| posted on November 22nd, 2003 at 12:35 PM |
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Maybe their dyno figures are just like the the dollar, our hp figures are only worth 70% of theirs??
Congratulations to Ben Durie for breaking the hillclimb record at Ringwood in his stroker beetle!
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| posted on November 22nd, 2003 at 01:01 PM |
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I also picked up my issue yesterday and had a chuckle at the HP figures.....so I went to the tech article on usefull conversion figures expecting to
find one that said if outside the U.S. divide by 2.
Couldn't find such a conversion.....
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| posted on November 22nd, 2003 at 07:50 PM |
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The 1776 apparently runs 12.8 and a few of the turbo cars are in the tens so they may not be that exaggerated, just very full on race setups. I
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| posted on November 22nd, 2003 at 09:44 PM |
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Shifty, you have hit the nail on the head dude, you need at least 150hp to run 12's over the 1/4, and 300hp + to run 10's.
But I bet if all these cars left Sydney to drive to nambucca, not many would make it.
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| posted on November 23rd, 2003 at 12:53 PM |
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I completly agree, that 1776 had 12:1 compression, Probably wouldnt make it to sydney let alone nambucca. Doesnt mean its not a street car though. |
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| posted on November 23rd, 2003 at 01:11 PM |
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I remember reading an Article by Keith Sueme when he purchased that legendary chop top call look car from the 70's & took it home to England.
It runs 12's with it's 2180 engine. In the states it was getting 180hp @ the wheels, but the most that he could get out of it back in
England was 130hp @ the wheels no matter what dyno he used, & it was still running 12's as well. I know all dyno's are different but
thats alot.
Dave, do u know what yours has at the wheels, from your 13.3 & pulling out of it after the filter hiccup, do u think that your combo would have
150@ the wheels. I reckon the spec of your engine kills that 1776, just on capacity alone. It does have higher compression than yours, but how much is
that really worth?
regards
Jak
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| posted on November 23rd, 2003 at 05:55 PM |
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Jak,
I have no idea, I will bring it to the dyno day if I get it all back together in time.
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| posted on November 23rd, 2003 at 06:19 PM |
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i would assume it is like all things in america..... imperial pound then theres american pound and other weights and so forth?
otherwise theyre sum bullshit or some wild mother%%#@$%@ of engines hehe
Adam
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| posted on December 14th, 2003 at 07:00 PM |
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simon from noh20 in wa gets 120 hp chassis dyno from his 1776 ive seen footage of this car and believe it he says its all in the heads am going to
have a go at building this motor myself . he has 7.5-1 comp and does 14-5 quarters
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| posted on December 15th, 2003 at 09:29 AM |
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jack
whats the story about swing axles, are you talking about wheel tuck or something more sinister
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| posted on December 15th, 2003 at 10:00 AM |
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Not dissin our US forum mates here, but I smell a rat.
I reckon it's a conspiracy. The only reason they announced Saddam being captured, was to take the focus away from this article.
Squiz.....
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| posted on December 15th, 2003 at 11:32 AM |
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i can't remember the details regarding the 1776, but the h.p. numbers on the turbo ghia and the blue chop are definitely legit.
yesterday i shot video of that blue chop running a 10.13@136 mph at carlsbad... despite having 28% leakdown on one cylinder.
since the static c.r. is only 7.8:1, it's fully streetable, and he drives it on a regular basis... he also recently installed aem efi, it's
making way more h.p. than what it was on that trends dyno day mag article. |
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| posted on December 15th, 2003 at 12:14 PM |
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Here's the website for one of those cars mentioned (2442 turbo ghia). From the pic on the opening page it looks like he has a bit of power
there.
http://www.raymejia.freeservers.com/
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| posted on December 15th, 2003 at 01:02 PM |
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This wouldnt happen to be Ocean Street Dan would it???????
Futue te ipsum!!!
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| posted on December 16th, 2003 at 12:59 AM |
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fax n figgerz
Apart from the longevity of the motor, I'd hate to have to drive 155hp around town... 110 (see craigs dyno results) or whatever I've got is
hard enough to hang on to when it's wet, and it's way too easy to get used to suddenly going fast. I suppose if it's manageable power
it's okay, but 130 in a 50 zone can't be good. not that I'm that stupid. it's definately time to upgrade my handling:o and brakes...
let sleeping dubs lie
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| posted on December 16th, 2003 at 05:20 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by blue74l
This wouldnt happen to be Ocean Street Dan would it???????
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yup, thats me :-)
mucho props to you aussies, btw, i have seen your jamboree vids, lotta h.p. down under.
here is a post on the clf from turbobobefi.com, regarding that blue chop: "Congrats to you guys for those mega runs on a track that is in need of
repair. Since Scott won Dyno Day 2 at 336 R/W H/P, the new number to do 137 MPH at 1900 lbs.= 374 or 435 fly. He still has 4 more pounds of boost to
go and 36 extra H/P on tap. Next year we will see 141 MPH and high 9's. Not bad for a STREET CAR!" |
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| posted on December 16th, 2003 at 10:12 AM |
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:thumb
sounds good !
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| posted on December 27th, 2003 at 08:57 AM |
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300HP Drag Cars? Maybe the turbo cars...Most of the Turbo car were way up on boost.
Most of us N/A Drag cars were below 200HP .... Lee Gong won the N/A class with a 220HP pull...
Just wish some of the "real" Horse Power N/A cars would have shown up. |
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