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| posted on January 1st, 2004 at 09:36 PM |
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NEW SPEED CAMERAS
> Permanent Speed Cameras - SYDNEY
Some of you guys and girls may have got this email, but if you haven't, here it is.
New speed cameras which will be permanently mounted on
> telegraph poles and the like. They are very small, don't use
> a flash and will be working day and night.
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> They are at:
> Canterbury Road, Revesby
> River Rd to Mavis St North East Mavis St to River Rd South
> West
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> Milperra Road, Milperra
> Henry Lawson Dr to Cooraban Rd Cooraban Rd to Henry Lawson Dr
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> Hume Hwy, Yagoona
> Brancourt Ave to Cooper Rd North East Strickland St to
> Rookwood Rd South West
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> Hume Hwy, Bass Hill -
> Miller Rd to Chester Hill Rd North East Strickland St to
> Arundel St South West
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> Bayview Ave, Earlwood -
> Undercliff Ln to Highcliff Rd South West
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> Homer Street, Earlwood
> Wellington St to Bayview Ave West North
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> King Street, Ashbury -
> Second Ave to Melville St West North Palace St to Trevenar St East
South
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> Lilyfield Road, Leichhardt
> Hubert St to Mary St North East Henry St to James St South
> West
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> Darley Road, Leichhardt
> Lyell St to Allen St East South Allen St to Lyall St West
> North
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> New Canterbury Rd, Lewisham
> Morton Av to Toothill St North East, Toothill St to Frazer St South
West
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> Hume Hwy, Liverpool
> Elizabeth Dr to Memorial Ave North West Campbell St to Moore
> St South
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> Heckenberg Ave, Heckenberg
> Robin Rd to Tooma Pl North West Johns Rd to Tooma Pl South
> East
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> Lalor Rd, Quakers Hill
> Wilson St to Sunnyholt Rd North East Sunnyholt Rd to Towilson
> St South
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> The Horsley Drive, Fairfield
> Polding St to Nelson St South East Nelson St to Polding St
> North West
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> Bungarribee Rd, Blacktown
> Hereward Hwy North West Ross St to Flushcombe Rd South West
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> Pitt Street, Merrylands
> Birmingham St to Victoria St South East, Victoria St to Birmingham St
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> Sunnyholt Rd, Blacktown
> Steel St to Forge St South East Turner St to Stephen St North West
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> Windsor Road, Northmead
> Anderson Rd to Martha Ave South East Whitehaven Rd to Moir
> Ave North West
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> Barclay Road, North Rocks
> Perry St to Hepburn Rd North East Hepburn Rd to Perry St
> South West
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> O'Connell St, Parramatta
> Victoria Rd to George St East South George St to Victoria Rd
> West North
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> Seven Hills Rd, Baulkham Hills
> Hilda Rd to Merindah Rd Sth West Merindah Rd to Hilda Rd Nth
> East
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> Castlereagh Rd, Penrith
> Coreen Ave to Peach Tree St East South Peach Tree St to
> Coreen Ave West
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> Mamre Road, St Marys
> Mitchell St to Saddington St East South John St to Saddington
> St West
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> Luxford Street, Whalan
> Sands St to Salmana St South West
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> Princes Hwy, Engadine -
> Mianga St to Engadine Rd East South Engadine Rd to Mianga St
> West North
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> Ramsgate Road, Ramsgate
> Targo Rd to Vaudan St South West
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> THESE CAMERAS HAVE BEEN INSTALLED IN FIXED POSITIONS. THE
> FILM IS CHANGED EVERY 2 WEEKS
"Tell him 'We've already got one'"
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| posted on January 1st, 2004 at 10:07 PM |
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Definately not for revenue raising purpose's are they?????
I just llistened to the new's stating the road fatality stat's and the suspected reasons for these, not one mention about the possibility
that the condition of the road itself may have been at fault.
I have driven trucks, cars and ridden bikes all over OZ, and some of the roads in certain states, rual roads ect, are disgraceful. how much of the
Fuel tax's, vehical weight tax, and infingement revenue, is actually spent on the national road system.
I have seen a lot of accidents over the years, and speed is not always the predominant factor, lack of experiance, road condition and human error
cause the majority.
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| posted on January 1st, 2004 at 10:29 PM |
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I'm with you Rob, being an Interstate Driver for the last 30yrs it seems that impatience and lack of education is the main cause for crashes on
what passes for roads. As for how much money from fuel, rego and fines go back into roads, well, it's been said in Can(t)berra that all moneys
goes into general revenue...read Pollies super funds 
Roger.
If you drive fast enough you're past the accident before it happens !
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| posted on January 2nd, 2004 at 09:32 AM |
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i've seen this email about new speed cameras, only I saw it at least 5 years ago - it is a hoax, the cameras do not exist
i live around the corner from one of the locations and there is definitely no camera there.
the lilyfield rd location has been bypassed by the citywest link so there is no traffic there.. first time i saw this email was when the citywest link
was only in planning, thats how old the email is...
in nsw i believe the law requires all fixed camera locations to be signposted and mobile locations to have 'speed cameras used in this area'
signs
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| posted on January 2nd, 2004 at 10:56 AM |
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I've heard all these revenue raising rants before. I'll say it again
if you don't break the speed limit you wont get pinged
If you sit on a little lower than the speed LIMIT you increase your margin for error
It is a speed LIMIT not a speed requirement.
I'm sure there is some law of physics that goes along the lines of " the slower you go, the softer the impact, the softer the impact the
less the injury, the lower the death toll."
Happy New Year and hopefully we all live till the next one.....
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| posted on January 2nd, 2004 at 11:50 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by hool
i've seen this email about new speed cameras, only I saw it at least 5 years ago - it is a hoax, the cameras do not exist
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yeah i was about to say that about the first one...definately no camera there.
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| posted on January 2nd, 2004 at 12:34 PM |
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even if it is a hoax, funny that they are all inner west or western suburbs!!!none on the noooorth shore daaarling!
if its a kombi and its going too slow, just relax its having a go!
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| posted on January 2nd, 2004 at 03:51 PM |
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'speed kills' is a crock of shit. they biggest CROCK OF SHIT i know. and i am so sick of those that believe it and carry on about how you
should be busted! you deserve to be busted!
look at the best racing drivers. the ones that are always up front. they are obviously the fastest. are they the ones that crash the most? no! the
fools down the back are the ones doing all the crashing. it is not the speed. it is the skill.
same as on our roads. it is not speed that kills. it is simply this. Ability, Attitude, Approach. and once the goverment finally accept that and
start to do something positive for the people who use the road then the safer we wil all be.
here we are a country that is focusing so much on the speed factor, yet our death toll still rises. go figure. maybe if they did understand that
people should be educated to drive better, and that the speeds are increased to something that the cars of today are capable of. then we all might not
fall asleep at the wheel due to the shear boredom of travelling to Qld from Syd. stop every two hours is a load of crap also. you only have to stop
because travelling at a hundered klm/h. the boredom of it puts you to sleep.
how many of you that believe speed is the factor have actually done an advanced driving course. surely it would be safer for you and your family to
learn to drive better rather than simple drive slower. i know that every time i am travelling at 130/140. i am a lot more observant and drive a lot
better than when i am sloggin at a hundred. i know the lack of response from my vehicle at 100... it numbing. yes i have done both rider and driver
training. i also know that i have never once had an accident at high speed. or as a result of speeding...
i also know that being booked for four klm over the speed limit was not saving my life.
so please dont talk shit about speed kills. think logically. we use such a small part of our brain. we as humans are capable of a lot. and the
vehicles we design today are also. a lot of our roads have been improved greatly. you just have to travel down the east coast to see how good some of
the roads are. yet you are stuck doing fucking 90klm/h. no wonder people get impatient and their mind starts to wander.
wake up. ABILITY, ATTITUDE, APPROACH.
learn to drive properly, not from your mum or a friend of the family or even one of those 'just arrived in australia and i got knocked back for a
taxi licence' learner schools.
think about your mental state when you do drive and observe those around you.
guaranteed... if you do this you will be a lot safer, and when the government finally wakes up to the fact that there is more important things other
than putting their hands in our pockets for their superfund, hopefully they will take the approach more seriously also.
dont you ever wonder the toll of those weeks outside of hols. nah, dont care huh. just used to having it displayed in the season of travel, just to
enforce in your minds that everytime you see some poor bloke busted for doing 112 in a 100. you can sit back i your half comatosed state that his life
was just saved. and thats right before you vear onto the other side of the road a the next bend and clean up hte innocent car coming the other way....
BECAUSE YOUR MIND WANDERED!
Simply Cruzin'...
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| posted on January 2nd, 2004 at 04:04 PM |
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Werd!!!:thumb
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| posted on January 2nd, 2004 at 07:24 PM |
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true he does have a point. I agree with all of that really. |
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| posted on January 2nd, 2004 at 07:25 PM |
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Food for thought...
The national road toll in 2002 was 1,725
The number of people who died of heart disease in 2002: 26,063
The number of people who died of cancer in 2002: 37,622
Now maybe it's just me but the number of road fatalities pales into insignificance next to the other figures, but the other two just don't
get anywhere near the same publicity as the road toll does. I don't see any expensive ad campaigns promoting healthy eating and exercise...
double demerit points for eating two fast food meals in one day.. random binge-eating tests...
call me cynical, but the road toll only represents an easy revenue-generating opportunity for the govt as far as i can see..
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| posted on January 2nd, 2004 at 07:28 PM |
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If the fastest cars are up the front not having crashes that is because they are on A BLOODY RACE TRACK all going the same direction with volunteer
blokes waving flags and 2 way radios and a pit crew of umpteen to get them around the next lap....I drive on me own and I am responsible for all that
my vehicle does. If some old fart in a tractor or Volvo with a hat on pulls out in front of me cause he diddn't see me it is still my
responsibility not to hit him by taking evasive action. Not swerving and causung another drama.
No offense, but if you have done advance driver training this would be obvious.
If you are in doubt check with the DECA driving mob in Shepparton, they are accredited TAFE driving instructors. If you still don't believe me
then there is nothing I can say.
I always love the reaction I get from the pro speeding crowd. It makes the gun lobby seem tame by comparison.As for your comment about our roads bein
better these days. Would that include the Pacific Hwy north of Sydney last year on the way to Valla? I've seen better roads north of Broome WA in
the red sand!!!!!
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| posted on January 2nd, 2004 at 07:30 PM |
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yeah for the bastards supa...
read the other day they need a 50 % increase from the public to help fund it as they dont have enuf asset to fund the payouts...
Simply Cruzin'...
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| posted on January 2nd, 2004 at 07:42 PM |
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fair dinkum dubnut.... is there some thing different between the guys up front and the guys down the back. do the track officials and marshals not
pay attention to them. NO! the more skill you have the better your chance on the road. whether it be track or street. and in fact the more skill you
have for the street, obviously the better cause, as you said, traffic is not just one way and there are no marshals. just radars for speedsters only.
nothing for stupid dumb arses who shouldnt be on the road in the first place.
as for the volvo driver you mention. yes they pull out in front of me and no i havnt hit one or caused another incident either.... again nothing to
do with speed.
attitude and abitlity.
from where i live to sydney. there would be 70% dual carrage way and a shit load of straight road. yet your suppose to travel between 80 and 110.
seriously 90klm/h on a three lane dual carrage way with all the traffic travelling in one direction, and with guard rails either side is a load of
crap. add to that the cops hiding in little dipped off sections in unmarks. yeah sure. sounds real reasonable.
Simply Cruzin'...
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| posted on January 2nd, 2004 at 08:50 PM |
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You know it really amaze's me that PPL dont read what you say. I would have thought that having been a "Professional" driver It would
have at least qualified me to have a valid opinion. My argument was that speed is not the major cause of accidents, Driver error is. This could be due
to many factors.
1 Lack of skill and knowladge (performance) of the vehical and or trailer/caravan they are driving.
2 Lack of experiance in different driving conditions (weather) and road condition (country/Urban)
3 Bravado and stupidity.
4 Intoxication.. Drugs/Alchohol.
5 Sleep deprivation
6 And yes speed!!
I could go on and on, but those are the main things.
I have seen more accidents in urban areas because PPL haven't had their full attention on the job of operating their vehical in their own space.
Using the mobile phone (not hands free) putting on make up, doing their hair, arguing, reading street directorys on the move, perving on the
chicks/blokes or just plain taking risk's. In this area Speed is only one of multiple chance's for a dingle.
The majority of rural accidents I have seen were caused by driver error. A lot of these because of lack of experiance driving big distances on country
roads once or twice a year to visit relo's, or the annual holiday with an overloaded vehical usually with a trailer or caravan in tow pushing
themselve's physicaly to get there. Just ask any truck driver what he thinks of the school holiday periods, and I can gaurantee what responce you
will get!
I have long been critical of the fact that PPL can go out and buy a 4x4 with a 30' van and drive this legaly on the road with no requirement to
be tested COMPETANT and an endorsment on their licence.
If the government were serious about road safety this would be law! why is it not.?
Another thing that mystifies me is, why there is not a power to weight ratio restriction on new licence holders, these days with twin OHC's and
forced induction engine's putting out more power than the old V8's I find it totally irresponsible on the governments part that it has not
been made law? Motorcycle learner and P plate riders are restricted to 250 and under, and there has been talk of incorperating a learner approved
motorcycle catagory.
I will admit that speed dose play a part In some accidents, but as I said before It is only one of many other factors.
Most of the new dual carridge way highways are designed for a safe speed of 130 Kmh why are they restricted to 90-110Kmh ???? obviously the
government knows better!
Get some of these experts stick them in the cab of a truck or a taxi for a couple of weeks and let them observe what PPL do on the roads and I am
positive they will have a better idea of what causes accidents.
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| posted on January 2nd, 2004 at 08:58 PM |
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You go Rob,
I just drove from byron to Sydney and got to drive back in the next week or so...and the stop, revive survive idea is good, but i wish they would
plant some bloody trees and make the stops less like an arid wasteland and more inviting... drive safely :thumb
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| posted on January 2nd, 2004 at 09:01 PM |
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Exactly 2G and where the cops are hidden people slow down suddenly in traffic which can cause more traffic accidents.
Theres this one road where there are speed cameras on there and everytime I drive past I always see an accident there.....
U know why?
Cos theres a side street where cars turn from and they cant jusdge the speed of the cars as 1 minute they are going fast and then they slow down which
causes people to misjudge the traffic flow adn bam the smack into someone:jesus
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He He He He
It's not as bad as Sydney to Melbourne!
Just buy UHF radio, a country & western CD and pick up a few hitch hikers, that will liven things up a bit! You could always stop off foe a surf
at a few spots!
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:sandrine
Just a reminder folks....
Now the police have their speed guns facing the BOTH ways of traffic at the same time now.
So don't think that they are on the other side watching that flow of traffic...there watching you too.
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Robo talks a lot of sense -rare, for someone living so close to QLD -
One thing he forgot to mention is that Joe Blow drives the family sedan to work and back all week and thinks he knows how it handles. Then after
working all day he knocks off work on Fri, loads up Mum and kids with all their suitcases bikes camping gear etc and heads off for the W'end.
Observing all speed limits he's doing fine, then something he isn't expecting happens, he jumps on the brakes and swings the wheel.
SURPRISE! with all this extra weight in the car it doesn't handle anything like his traffic battles on the way to work each day and over she
goes.
Roger.
30yrs Interstate driving including 20yrs on the old Hume hwy before they ruined it by taking out all the corners
If you drive fast enough you're past the accident before it happens !
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Lots of good points made by many; I don't think that e.g. 'attitude and ability' are antithetical to driving within speed limits.
Robo, in Vic. there is a schedule of cars which P-platers can't drive including WRX-STIs etc. Unfortunately, there is no requirement here for a
licence endorsement for towing; this should be a compulsory user-pays test with endorsement.
After a year in Victoria of increased speed camera use, zero tolerance speeding fines, 50 km/h urban limits, increased speeding fines (all of which
have, to date, made the Bracks government somewhat unpopular) the year's fatality results are out; 64 fewer deaths in '03 than in '02,
and more than 10% reduction over the previous record low in 1997. Deaths were reduced compared with '02 in each of these categories:
-Metropolitan
-Country
-Motorcyclists
-Pedestrians
-18 to 25 year olds
-50/60/70 km/h zones.
The 15% reduction in deaths vs. '02 is strong prima facie evidence that attention to speed limits and their enforcement does save lives,
no matter how unpopular that argument is.
It's only a personal opinion, but I suspect that what is happening is that *anything* which gets people to pay attention to their driving when
they're driving is a good thing, and the risk of a hefty fine for 1 km/h over is doing that.
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| posted on January 2nd, 2004 at 10:48 PM |
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Good to see a state government willing to look at the big picture. I would have to say Victoria has always agressively enforced speed limits for
years, 1 Kay over and your fair game! at least their consistant!
I would also have to say highway 1 is getting better every day, but I still think for the amount of tax and infingement revenue they get, it should be
a lot better than it currently is. Roadside rest areas that cater for all road users, and overtaking lanes are still too far and few between,
especialy on the Bruce highway between brisbane and Rockhampton, and when you do come opon one it is too short, if your following a couple of caravans
you may be able to get past one but ya stuck behind the other, and some states have 80 Kmh limits for towing, PPL get frustrated sitting behind them
and take risks they would not normally take.
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Robo
Roadside rest areas that cater for all road users, and overtaking lanes are still too far and few between, especialy on the Bruce highway between
brisbane and Rockhampton, and when you do come opon one it is too short, if your following a couple of caravans you may be able to get past one but ya
stuck behind the other, and some states have 80 Kmh limits for towing, PPL get frustrated sitting behind them and take risks they would not normally
take.
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Worth noting that while there was an improvement '03 vs '02 in the Victorian stats, the country improvement was lesser than the metropolitan
improvement, so these sorts of longer-haul issues still need addressing.
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I started this mess so I should say something. I agree with dubnut's quote: 'There's a law of physics that goes along the lines of
" the slower you go, the softer the impact, the softer the impact the less the injury, the lower the death toll."' I also agree with
his point that if you don't speed you won't get booked... BUT... cars are for covering distance AT SPEED otherwise you would walk. If the
limit was 10kph you wouldn't even own a car. Buy a horse if you want to travel at 40 everywhere. 30 years ago the speed limit in NSW in side
streets was 60Kph, 110kph on freeways, and UNLIMITED on some country roads. That was back when you were surrounded by hillman hunters, swing axle
beetles, ford cortinas, EH holdens, bedford vans, land rovers etc, i.e. leaf spring rear ends, all drum brakes (my car at the time lost its brakes
occasionally), cross-ply tyres, retreads, no air-con (i.e. front demister), no ABS, no traction control, shit wipers, soggy suspension, no computer
brake pressure test on the roadworthy, (no roadworthy test at all? not sure) etc. You get my point.
WELL, speed limits have gone DOWN on the same roads I've driven on all my life. Most of the roads are better. The cars are infinitely
better. This conundrum struck me one day when a section of road that I regularly travelled at 80kph had its speed limit changed from 80 to 70kph,
followed by a huge sign that says "SPEED KILLS". "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SAFE SPEEDING". One day I'm driving below the
limit and the next day I'm 9 or 10Ks over the limit. I became a killer overnight. All of a sudden I'm a criminal.
Well what happened in reality is that the government changed the goal posts, and they can change them whenever they want. I think the only safe speed
to drive at is the speed at which YOU drive at safely. If you don't know what that speed is then you shouldn't be on the road. The number on
the sign has nothing to do with safety. Most of the time it's not even a rough guide. Twoguns for example could probably safely drive faster than
me because he has done advanced driver training courses, and also seems to give a shit about safety. Maybe he couldn't drive as fast in his bus
safely. Only he can judge. I've driven some cars where the speed limit is 60 but the car I'm driving is no where near capable of driving on
that road at that speed safely. I slow down. You would have to judge for yourself. The sign shouldn't replace your responsibility to drive
safely, or become a lame excuse, "But officer, I was only doing 60..." Ask yourself if you should have been doing 60kph with 5 people in the
car when there was so much fog you couldn't see a car length in front of you.
Whether you get booked is a completely different issue. If you know the law says 60, and you get booked going 61 then you should have been paying
attention, you bloody murderer...
When I sat for my driving test, I acted brave, didn't do anything wrong in the test, and got a licence. I thought it was a joke that I got a
licence. I spent the next few years learning to drive at EVERYBODY'S risk and expense, and fortunately I didn't hurt anyone in the process.
I think probably everybody has had the same experience learning to drive. The first time I took the keys to go to my girlfriends place alone I was
shitting myself. I remember thinking, "How can they let me do this? I don't know how to drive". Then weeks later a friend says
"Can you drive a manual?" I of course say "Yeah". He gives me the keys to his Dad's Pontiac Firebird that he brought over
from the USA. I wait till he's out of sight and then I spend half an hour trying to work out how to make the car go forward in ANY way, let alone
change gears while moving, or stop at lights, or on a hill etc. I didn't speed. Do you think I was dangerous? BLOODY OATH I WAS.
As an aside, here are other ways the Govt changes the goal posts: They will make the speed limit during school days 40kph at certain times and then
enforce that law outside a private school that closed for holidays 2 weeks earlier. They will put a camera at the bottom of a gentle hill that you
don't notice, but the corner 50 metres on that everyone crashes at has no camera. It's like the Peter Sellers movie where Inspector Clouseau
is booking a gentleman for illegally busking outside a bank, and the bank is being robbed in the background. Unfortunately we are the
government's Bank, and we're being robbed.
"Tell him 'We've already got one'"
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Quite a few good points in that one Oasis good reading and well said!!
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Hmm, it looks like Oasis has been around as long as me Excellent points
mate.
Modulus said....>After a year in Victoria of increased speed camera use, ...snip...64 fewer deaths in '03 than in '02, and more than 10%
reduction over the previous record low in 1997. Deaths were reduced compared with '02 in each of these categories:<
Ah yes politicians just luuuuve stats, but what they forget to mention is that the there are more and more people obtaining driving licences every
year effectively increasing the road population. If they did the math, as Melb radio announcer Bill Tuckey did years ago, they would be telling us
that the road toll (per capita of road users) has gone through the basement!! I seem to remember a melb newspaper some 20 or so years ago that said
"lets make war on 1034" this was the previous years fatalities way back then, but what the hell, looking like your trying to stop people
killing each other on the roads is a great vote winner.
As for the 40/50/60/70 speed zones, in NSW we now have a 50kmh urban speed limit, except for those that are signposted higher. Just in time for the
Christmas holidays, brilliant, the Wagga Wagga Highway Patrol cleaned up with all the Vic tourists. They never had a chance, I've lived and been
driving here for 25 years and I dont know what speed zone I'm in!
I also find that now we have all these different speed limits I spend far too much of my time looking for speed signs to see what zone I'm in
when I should be spending that time concentrating on traffic around me.
Roger.
If you drive fast enough you're past the accident before it happens !
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posted by Softop
Ah yes politicians just luuuuve stats, but what they forget to mention is that the there are more and more people obtaining driving licences every
year effectively increasing the road population. If they did the math, as Melb radio announcer Bill Tuckey did years ago, they would be telling us
that the road toll (per capita of road users) has gone through the basement!!
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Umm... yes. That is, the decrease in the absolute number of road deaths, coupled with the increase in the number of road users, has, indeed, resulted
in a road toll per capita that has metaphorically gone through the basement. Most people would consider this to be a good thing. It sounds like you
are trying to show that there is something obscurely wrong with this or that it in some way proves a point you wish to make about politicians, radio
announcers or facts, but it is not clear what that point may be.
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Ok, lets try another way...
We keep getting drummed inot us that speed kills, I think that Qld now has a campaign titled "Every K over is a killer".
Speed does not kill! hitting things whilst going fast does.
If you took cars away from people and gave them horses, people will still get killed.
If any Gov, state or federal, was REALLY serious EVERYONE would have to pass a real driving test, not just drive around the block obeying every law by
the book and without hitting anything.
Teach 'em how to drive to conditions is the only way IMHO.
If you drive fast enough you're past the accident before it happens !
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Permanent Cameras on the pacific - Sydney to Brisbane
Have you noticed when approaching those well marked cameras.
People slowdown to 10ks under or more under
what the ......?
Im all for being allowed to go faster - with the right Attitude, ability etc.
But how do you police the rev head looney toons who "think" they can drive?
Graduated speed limts for graduated licenses perhaps - i dont know
It all boils down the the LCD factor
The Lowest Common Denomiator - the rule is there bcause there are those who cant handle or they abuse the previlege of driving.
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You're right. You can't police fools. One of my points was that you can only teach people to drive better and drive with their own sense of
responsibility. Offer real driving tests, and deny licences to people who display no social responsibility in their cars and other aspects of their
life (if someone has no regard for human life - yours or their own - should you let them have a car?) . Sometimes the speed limit isn't a lowest
common denominator. It's often too fast. e.g. 110 on a windy country road is often too fast, so if the driver is responsible for his and
others' safety he will drive well under the limit.
"Tell him 'We've already got one'"
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