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| posted on March 5th, 2004 at 11:28 AM |
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Should we buy a bug??!
Please try and be as unbiased as possible, but my girlfriend needs a new car and I'm wondering if a bug is the way to go, just not sure if it
will suit the purpose...
She bought an immaculate looking, one-owner 85 Honda Prelude about 6 months ago for $4k and has spent another $4k on repairs since. As soon as one
problem is fixed something else goes and we can't afford to keep it anymore.
But she's just started a wholesale fashion business and has to do runs from here (Gold Coast) up to Sunshine Coast or Brisbane once or twice a
week. A sunshine coast trip can be about a 500km round trip.
So I've got a few q's I need answered about bugs...
1. The speed limit on the freeways around here is 110kmh which means you can sit on 120kmh without getting done by a radar. Will a bug comfortably sit
on 120kmh, without overheating on a hot summers day and without doing damage to the motor (I think I was told once that the pistons are soft and
thrashing them does a bit of damage)?
2. And how much room is there to store stuff in the bonnet? Like how many suitcases could you fit in there?
3. My kombi has always been an absolute pleasure to drive but I take really good care of it mechanically. Are volkswagens in general basically trouble
free cars? Will a service every six months, with minor urgent repairs generally keep it going?
Thanking in advance for any advice/opinions!!
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| posted on March 5th, 2004 at 11:48 AM |
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I have mentioned it to her but I need to find these things out before I decide whether it's worth talking her into it. She's a very prelude
type of person and is talking about getting something like an old Nissan Pulsar instead. But from my experience I can just see her having as many
problems with something like that. When you take a car like that to a mechanic they always manage to find heaps of abstract little things wrong with
it, which has never happened with my kombi. It has always needed maintenance but it's always a straightforward, cheap, relatively easy to
understand and fix problem.
But she has grown to love kombis and I'm sure beetles have just as much character so I think I could bring her round if I knew it could handle
weekly 500km trips at 120kmh. I'm sure she would trade a little luxury for reliability at this stage.
Besides, I want a beetle too! 
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| posted on March 5th, 2004 at 11:54 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by bus356
1. The speed limit on the freeways around here is 110kmh which means you can sit on 120kmh without getting done by a radar. Will a bug comfortably sit
on 120kmh, without overheating on a hot summers day and without doing damage to the motor (I think I was told once that the pistons are soft and
thrashing them does a bit of damage)?
2. And how much room is there to store stuff in the bonnet? Like how many suitcases could you fit in there?
3. My kombi has always been an absolute pleasure to drive but I take really good care of it mechanically. Are volkswagens in general basically trouble
free cars? Will a service every six months, with minor urgent repairs generally keep it going?
Thanking in advance for any advice/opinions!!
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1. Personally I wouldn't want to sit on 120km/h in my beetle - 110 easy, but more would be pushing it.
2. Under the bonnet varies - earlier beetles don't have much space, I think the later ones have a little more room though (post 68). I think
I'd be luck to fit one small suitcase under Wolf's bonnet.
You cna fit HEAPS in the back seat though 
Have you thought about a type three? Way more room with bonnet at front AND back...
3. So long as its been well maintained you should be fine with regular servicing and occasional repairs. Think mine has 4 monthly services (but every
second one it lube only).
Good luck with the decision,
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| posted on March 5th, 2004 at 12:28 PM |
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G'day Jay, thanks for that mate!
I think so long as she could sit on 110kmh easily that would probably do. I'll suggest maybe she just do 120kmh if she's in a serious
hurry...
I've thought about recommending a type 3 but I've pointed nice ones out when I've seen them on the road and she really disliked the
look of them. It's got to pass as a trendy sort of a car I think (no offence intended, I love type 3s). The room in the back seat sounds good
though, that's what I wanted to hear!
As I thought re maintenance.
Cheers!
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| posted on March 5th, 2004 at 12:36 PM |
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from m experience i guess a super bug would suit her more as there is a bit more room in the bonnet as well as haing a nice 1600 motor. they cruise
nicely doing 100-110kmh but 120 would be pushing it.
i always look at how easy a beetle or any VW is to work on compared to the new cars of today. Also you have the support of this forum if anything goes
wrong and parts are always available
Hope this helps a bit
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| posted on March 5th, 2004 at 12:48 PM |
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Before anything else is said, i adore beetles and have 1 at the moment and wouldn't drive anything else... but
They arent the most practicle cars. I can drive mine at 100km/h comfortablly but i wouldn't go past that. I couldn't even go past 90km/h in
my old 67 beetle.
On a hot day in QLD i wouldn't do it.
The luggage dilema - basically i would only have things in the back seat. Nothing fits in the front of mine, not even 1 suitcase.
My old beetle i bought for $6k, spent $12k in repairs and sold last week for $3.6k so they can be a hassle.
But i just bought another one because i adore them and only want beetles.
Her choise but if she needs just a practicle car, i would choose something else...
unless she has already been bitten by the bug!
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| posted on March 5th, 2004 at 01:14 PM |
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I would say get a super, but make sure you get one with good mechanicals.
1-I drive my super to the coast from brisbane and also have doen run to sydney etc, and with my engine (its a worked 1776), it likes to sit on 125
(that is the smallest amount of throttle in fourth gear). It has never gone above 90 degrees even in teh middle of summer as it has an extra oil
cooler.
2-the super has alot more space under the bonnet combined with the fold down rear seat gives you heaps of room for storage.
3-get a super in good condition or and older one and spend the money on a engine rebuild and mabye a slight warming of the engine (eg 1776, reground
stock cam, retuned original carby) and maintence shouldn't be a problem. If you buy a old worn out one, look at spending more on maintenence.
I reackon option is, get a super, rebuild the engine and suspension, and then you will have a reliable nice car to drive!!!!
I have no sympathy for my car, only the wallet that pays for it!
Go hard or go home!!!!
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| posted on March 5th, 2004 at 01:32 PM |
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You dont mention what her budget is but for the 8 grand she has spent on the Honda she could be set up in a very trendy looking kombi.
I have a 1700 that will sit on 110k all day and can get upto 125 (Checked with gps) I'm sure one of the 2litre vers could manage 120k easily, she
would also have lots of room for stuff.
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| posted on March 5th, 2004 at 01:49 PM |
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A kombi has heaps of space but maybe too much for what she needs. She generally needs to take two or three computer monitor-size boxes, like what I
imagine she could fit in a superbug in the back seat and under the bonnet.
And kombis are not the best for doing lots of long trips on the freeway, I imagine they'd use more fuel because of weight, engine size and
aerodynamics. And she doesn't like driving mine because it's a bit too heavy and big and hard to manouvre.
Hey purplevw67, sorry to hear about the probs! Has anyone else got any horror stories like that? Is that a common ocurrence or a one off? My
girlfriend will leave me if I convince her to get a bug and it's a dud!
A 1600 superbug sounds like the go then. It sounds like it would have enough space. I'll have a look at a few at the next show. Is it a case of
the later the better? Oh yeah, and what years are they (I know very little about beetles!)? I imagine the later ones would have more creature comforts
and be basically better designed through experience...
What could we expect to pay for one that looks decent on the outside (for business purposes it needs to look ok from a distance, not immaculate, and
the interior is not too important) with a recently reco'd engine. She could only afford to outlay around $3k after the honda has emptied her
pockets and now can't even sell it for much...
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| posted on March 5th, 2004 at 02:13 PM |
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pffft
my 62, 1200 does 100 easy! 
THe manual says maximum speed 115km/h hehe.
I imagine Honda parts are rather expensive to obtain, But really they are better cars around then a beetle if its a space/speed thing, but then again
you might not love the car like a beetle
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| posted on March 5th, 2004 at 04:07 PM |
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super bug for sale
there is a mint super bug for sale at my vee dubb mechanics in albury here at the moment and i mean it looks mint its a yellowy colour i can find out
info if your interested ,dont be scared of the distance ,you may have to travel to get a really good car ,we dont have the coastal salt problem you
guys have and if paul has been working on it it will be good
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| posted on March 5th, 2004 at 04:18 PM |
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We also have a 1300 beetle and that flies along at 120 nicely (Stock setup) but there is NO WAY that you will fit that amount in a beetle.
You would just fit 2x 15' monitor boxes on the backseat (JUST) but the depth in the bonnet would only be about half the depth of a
15'monitor box and thats being generous.
I suppose you could take out the backseat and get a shelf over the battery compartment to make it a kinda van - but thats the only way you'll do
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| posted on March 5th, 2004 at 06:56 PM |
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I think she should buy a crolla,really. |
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| posted on March 5th, 2004 at 07:24 PM |
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I reckon buy Nectars notch - auto, has space, looks real cool, and cruises 120kph no probs
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is your gf a tall or short/petite woman. my lady is 5'2". we restored a beetle and she drove it around and loved it. but it was limiting in
waht you could put in it. we have a boxer and a silky. they took up the back seat, which of course didnt leave much for anything else. no youdont fit
a lot under the hood. soft bags are best.
so anywya she wanted a convertable, but me, i was leaning for a splitty. my lady was in london for work when i found 'our' car. i rang and
told her i bought one. 'convertable she said'. i responded 'close'. she came home to a splitty and to say the least she was not
too impressed as it is so big. anyway. resto safaris and she loves it.
i bought a fatchick notch. she wont drive it as it is too big ( hence i asked what build your gf was) although it has loads of room...
was going to get the bug frenzix stole from under me 
the lady, would ve loved to drive it to and from work, but she said it might be to small for anything else we do.
hence my point. i think you will find that if you are used to a splitty/kombi stick to it. i am sure you could get one that will cruise around no
worries. if she needs to carry stuff for her job, she might find the beetle awkward or straight out too small.
and if you are going to do distances, get a temp guage fitted to what ever it is you decide...
hope i helped....
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If you tell him to get a corolla lugnuts why not buy a Golf! hmmm maybe i am being too biased. And they cruz no worries at 120 clicks. Have the boot
which is pretty large, i have have transported three whole computers in it before. As for looking the part well its up to taste i spose. Plus if you
get a chance to drive it they have thrilling chassis dynamics!!! Is that biased or what?
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fatboy, you can fit heaps in a super bug. I can fit lrge esky and bags and other stuff in the front of my super.
If I remember correctly supers were 73 to early 75. I think 75 they went back to torsion fornt end?
I have no sympathy for my car, only the wallet that pays for it!
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I think a corolla would be a lot better value than a golf. Unless you get a diesel golf and cruise around at about 4mpg. Thats the only thing that
would sway me. *duck*
But, and I AM being biased here, a kombi is a hell of a lot better than a beetle. A beetle may be slightly cooler to be seen in if
you survey the greater population but if you are covering any sort of kilometres, at any sort of speed, with any sort of ride quality, carrying any
sort of cargo, any amount of passengers > 1, then a 74-> kombi cant be beat, preferably 77->. A 2ltr kombi will cruise at 120 easy, 130
pushing, 140 killing it. Although if you turbo the sucker you can go well over 180 mwa ha ha but watch the temp guage.
If you want all of that, but without the ride then you could go for a splitty kombi and look cooler still.
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1995 nissan pulsar
i know someone who has a 95 nissan pulsar in excellent nic for $5000, he is a mechanic so if you decide against a bug it may suit your purposes.
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I think a corolla would be a lot better value than a golf. Unless you get a diesel golf and cruise around at about 4mpg. Thats the only thing that
would sway me. *duck*
But, and I AM being biased here, a kombi is a hell of a lot better than a beetle. A beetle may be slightly cooler to be seen in if
you survey the greater population but if you are covering any sort of kilometres, at any sort of speed, with any sort of ride quality, carrying any
sort of cargo, any amount of passengers > 1, then a 74-> kombi cant be beat, preferably 77->. A 2ltr kombi will cruise at 120 easy, 130
pushing, 140 killing it. Although if you turbo the sucker you can go well over 180 mwa ha ha but watch the temp guage.
If you want all of that, but without the ride then you could go for a splitty kombi and look cooler still.
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I dont get your point amazer. Turbo will just wreck the engine straight away, if its old and worn, this bloke has just spent money on fixing a Honda,
he doesnt want to waste more on modifying something. The golf would be better than a corolla by far. Have you ever driven a golf? Anyway, he wants to
save on fuel with long trips and gf doesnt want a kombi anyway. Diesel Golfs are only about 2mpg of a petrol model. My car does 600kms on a tank,
bros car does about 450kms (stretching it out highway runs). Kombis are good but a superbug be better for this situation. Reliability is good for
either golf or superbugs. Parts would be about the same, and there are good examples about if you look hard enough. Both cars are still before
computer rubbish that is in cars today. Golfs will cruz to over 140 (petrol). my diesel does 125 with worn out engine. Bus356 i say
superbug, although your gf will be squashed but better image on the road, but dont discount the golf!
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| posted on March 5th, 2004 at 10:07 PM |
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All cars are money pits , especially if it's going to be doing 110/120 alot of the time. I wouldn't do that in my 1300 bug personally !
What does she want? Is an aircooled VW her kind of ride? Got to say if i was doing that kind of driving i'd be Talking her into a tidy 1800 fast/
squareback , lower it and your off !!
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Get This!!!! Better than new
http://www.aussieveedubbers.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=7778
Better for gear, fast Comfy etc...
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I dont get your point amazer. Turbo will just wreck the engine straight away, if its old and worn, this bloke has just spent money on fixing a Honda,
he doesnt want to waste more on modifying something. The golf would be better than a corolla by far. Have you ever driven a golf? Anyway, he wants to
save on fuel with long trips and gf doesnt want a kombi anyway. Diesel Golfs are only about 2mpg of a petrol model. My car does 600kms on a tank,
bros car does about 450kms (stretching it out highway runs). Kombis are good but a superbug be better for this situation. Reliability is good for
either golf or superbugs. Parts would be about the same, and there are good examples about if you look hard enough. Both cars are still before
computer rubbish that is in cars today. Golfs will cruz to over 140 (petrol). my diesel does 125 with worn out engine. Bus356 i say
superbug, although your gf will be squashed but better image on the road, but dont discount the golf!
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Turbo comment was a joke hence mwa ha ha, evil laugh. Superbug would only hold a small suitcase at best. Unless you use the back seat.
Have driven golfs, seats, corollas, lancers, lasers, pulsars, hyundais. My comments were related to later models, late 90's at least, not MkI,
dont mean to offend. I just dont think the extra $$ are worth it. My 'other' car is a lancer and im very impressed. Its my second one. I
think Toyota build quality is probably better but then $$ comes into it again.
4mpg was supposed to read 4 litres per 100km (my mistake) and I would be surprised to see a petrol one get close to that. I think top speeds are
irrelevant because it would be insane to do more than 120 these days.
"Computer rubbish" cars are good. Change oil every now and then, change timing belt every 100,000 and thats it. Pick up a 5 yr old one for
around $8000 and be nice and quiet and comfortable with air etc or find a good old dub which will have rust even if you cant see it to start with,
use more fuel, noisy, cost more in maintenance for about the same maybe a little less. Depends what you want to live with, thats why I have both, best
of both worlds.
Just my 2c, dont mean to offend anyone, please dont hassle me.
Chris.... kombi pilot, oval dreamer... finisher #26971 2005 city to surf
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Has your girlfriend ever been for a ride in a bug. As soon as I went for a ride in one I had to have one. Remember she will have the passenger seat to
put things on as well. I think that has to be her choice of what car she wants to drive. Why don't you go on a cruise with one of the clubs on
the coast they come up quite often. I am sure a bug owner will let her sit in for a ride. Then who know's their could be a little beetle in your
family. You can always leave a bit earlier and do 100k's and remember always love your bug.
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hey jodie... have you ever been for a cruise in a splitty with the safaris open...
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and heres the answer to your luggage space. this was posted previously by vwoo64
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| posted on March 7th, 2004 at 08:26 PM |
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Thanks for all your advice/opinions/info!
I've run it all past her and I have brought her round part way but I don't think it's going to happen. I think lack of room is her
biggest concern. A few people have recommended a corolla so she'll probably get one of those in a hatchback, which should have heaps of room, and
maybe be a bit more practical.
Hey Twoguns, I like your solution to the luggage space problem! That look ssweet! :thumb
Thanks again all! I will get one one day...
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Hey amazer, i do agree about the corolla but only on one ground, that there is more of them about and that parts will be easier to find. If it were
based on anything else i get a golf anyday, gotta stay VW!! (oh and i wasnt talking about any specific golf when i made the comments).
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| posted on March 8th, 2004 at 05:47 PM |
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I bought a 91 Crolla hatch plenty of room and no trouble in 12yrs except 2 regulators and they wink at you before they go.See if you can get a 92 or
later mine had a carby 92s got FI much better + it has 4sp auto.Get one with crappy tyres and crappy radio then yule know some old geezer had it. |
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