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 posted on March 12th, 2004 at 10:47 AM |
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Type 1 Stub Axle & Type 2 Cv's
Ok guys, just a query. I'm going to be useing a type 2 Gearbox in my latest Manx project.
I would like to use type 2 CV's (or 181's) all round for there extra travel. I know I can get the stub axles modified to accept type 2
cv's, but is this a road legal mod?
I know Wes has done it:
http://www.offroadvw.net/bajawes/wes/aug_sep.html
And I know Custom offroad can do it:
http://www.customoffroad.com.au/pricelist.htm
But custom offroad have a # beside the number which means "Off road use only"
My Manx will be road registered and I want to do everything legally. So.. Is this an acceptable mod, will I be able to get this approved or will I
have to order special stub axles from somewhere like aircooled.net that have Type 1 to type 2 CV stub axles?
http://www.aircooled.net/new-bin/viewproductdetail.php?keyword2=SSJ0010
Any input appreciated.
Thanks Guys
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| posted on March 12th, 2004 at 11:16 AM |
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My thoughts: The mod you're talking about isn't related to brakes, steering or chassis, so why not just do it?
Not that I think it matters in this case, but the authorities wouldn't know you'd done it unless you told them anyway...
Even if the 'new' CV's were to be weaker than stock, the worst thing that could happen is you'd bust a CV and lose forward
momentum. You'd still have brakes and steering, and it doesn't affect any roadworthy item, so I can't see that there would be any
problem. I'd just do it. 
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| posted on March 12th, 2004 at 11:28 AM |
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if you need your axels machined to suit the CVs give me a call as i can do them for you far cheaper then most places. This is only for the axles at
this stage not the stub axles.
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| posted on March 12th, 2004 at 11:30 AM |
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Hi
You can also use early 944 ones. I know plenty of people on the street using Type 1 stubs with weld on flanges, done properly no one would ever know.
Im using 944 stubs but Im also running Superboot short axles so on the tranny end Im still using the Type 1 flange but with a wide adaptor for the
Kombi CV.
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| posted on March 13th, 2004 at 09:20 PM |
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mm ok
Yes they are legal and can be plated with the suspension substitution / kombi box intsall.
Best to get porsche stub axles they bolt straight in and have teh type 2 CV flange on them. Basically they are exactly the same as type 1 axles but
have type 2 flanges on them.
Last set of Porsche stubs I heard about where selling for around $250 pr from the Porsche guys in WA, Swam I think they are called.
I have these in my Buggy
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| posted on March 13th, 2004 at 09:44 PM |
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Here is a link to Swan Porsche http://www.swanporsche.com.au/
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| posted on March 14th, 2004 at 04:58 PM |
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I have modified type 1 stubs, with no flanges welded on. The CV bolts are used to locate the CV, the same as with a type 2 stub.
My modified stubs were approved as part of the gearbox substitution code.
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| posted on March 15th, 2004 at 10:19 AM |
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posted by 1302Steve
Im also running Superboot short axles
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What are these? Are they 16" axles? Where can I get them from and how much?
I'd prefer to get a set of these rather than machine Type1 (16 1/4" Axles if possible, depends on cost.
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| posted on March 15th, 2004 at 12:30 PM |
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Hi
Mine are from Dave Stockers ghia, he ran a Kombi trans so they are the short ones from an auto. I beleive that Superboot is in Sydney somewhere.
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| posted on March 15th, 2004 at 03:49 PM |
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Ok,
To try and tidy this up as some sort of technicle article of reference.
The following is a quote from Buggy brad this thread: http://www.aussieveedubbers.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=17818
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posted by Buggy Brad
Just to clarify they replace the beetle stub axles using the same beetle bearings and stuff. You still need to modify the drive axles to suit the
kombi cv's.
These are a better option that redrilling the type 1 stubs as even when drilled the type 1 stbs are not deep enough to allow the kombi cv to work
properly.
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It's the second point here that sold me on the idea.
So I rang Swam Porsche about 944 stub axles. The guy from Swan seems to think that the stub axles have to be from an 1982 to 1985 Porsche 944 to work
in a beetle trailing arm. They sell them 2nd hand for $150 each.
I didn't push the guy but I'd say I should be able to get em for $250pr.
[Edited on 15-3-2004 by MikeM]
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| posted on March 15th, 2004 at 05:14 PM |
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Brad is correct, the modified type 1 stub still isn't deep enough to clear the CV through full swing. I painted the inside of my stubs to easily
see where contact is, and I find the CV cage knocks the paint off. It doesn't appear to do any serious damage though, at least I haven't had
any probs yet. You could easily clearance the stub in this area in a lathe if you really wanted to.
But yes the Porsche items are the way to go, if your prepared to pay the money.
[Edited on 15-3-2004 by Baja Wes]
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| posted on May 9th, 2004 at 09:11 PM |
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I talked to Joe at Swan Porsche the other day and he said that the 944s are the same as the beetle stubs so there is no point using them. I told him
I wanted Type 2 CVs all the way round but he said to just cut an axle and weld it??? I couldn't quite explain the flange and location bits. He
wants me to get some measurements for him> He also said that he worked in aVW place and has done many conversions. Would I be right then, when I
say, to use a beetle stub and Kombi cv, you have to machine the flange off and use the cv bolts as locators?? I can picture it but it is hard to
explain. He is the expert and I'm not. I am going to have a look at some anyway but should I take any measurements to make sure they are the right
ones? I don't want no lemons. any of you guys free to help?? he he. Any advice would be appreciated.
Rightio then, seeyabye
jamie
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| posted on May 11th, 2004 at 02:07 PM |
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I'll post a few pics for you to show him.
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| posted on May 17th, 2004 at 08:13 PM |
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Hey guys,
I am heading to Swan porsche tomorrow to have a look at the stubs. I was also told that it is Ok to just run Type 2 CVs at the 3-rib and Type 1s at
the stubs. I assume that the angles are still too great if I notch my springplates to do this, and I still need kombi CVs all round?
I want to get maximum lift now so i can have it forever so I thik i will go the 944 option. Just wondering about opinions.
Anyone?
Rightio then, thanks
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| posted on May 17th, 2004 at 08:35 PM |
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AVWPC
I got my t2/t1 welded stubs from the aussie vw performance center. They have a t2 flange welded onto the t1 stub. Then they were machined to suit t2
cvs. I'm not sure if they were clearanced in the center for the cvs like wes was saying but the center of the flange was machined to some extent.
They were talking about making these an off the shelf item. Don't know if they did, but it would be worth asking them if you live down that way.
They were $100 bucks each a couple of years ago.
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| posted on May 18th, 2004 at 09:00 AM |
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Doh, forgot to post the pics. I took them and everything just forgot to post em here. I'll post them when I get home tonight, but you will probably
have already gone to swan by then.
Let us know how you get on.
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| posted on May 18th, 2004 at 02:19 PM |
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944 are same as beetle axles but are same as kombi flanges.
So they are the way to go
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| posted on May 18th, 2004 at 09:50 PM |
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Hey dudes
I went to swan Porsche and sure enough, the kombi CVs fit the stub just right. I am not sure about the rest of the stub beign right though, I don't
have a stub from a type 1 to compare it to. Are type 3s the same as a beetle?
MikeM, a pic would be great :-). Joe only had one on hand but he is getting some in. WE were both learnign as we went. :-)
Thanks for the help
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| posted on May 18th, 2004 at 10:33 PM |
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one more time.............................early porsche 944 stubs are the same as beetle, the only difference is the CV flange, which is the same as
Kombi.
What is the price for the porsche stubs over there ??
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| posted on May 18th, 2004 at 10:40 PM |
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people just don't want to listen :>
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| posted on May 18th, 2004 at 10:42 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Craig Torrens
one more time.............................early porsche 944 stubs are the same as beetle, the only difference is the CV flange, which is the same as
Kombi.
What is the price for the porsche stubs over there ??
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Would also be interested in a price/availability........:thumb
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| posted on May 19th, 2004 at 12:43 AM |
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Yeh nah. The whole time, I have listened to what you have said. Its not my fault I am on the wrong side of the country.
I rang swan porsche and told them what I wanted to do. he said that the 944 stubs were IDENTICAL to the beetle's. I am 19 and from the country ( I
haven't even seen a 944 to my knowledge)not enough of an expert to dispute it except to say what I had been told by you guys. So I said I would find
out more because he wanted measurements and started talkign about turbo 944 stubs. So then, I reread everythign and when I went there yesterday, I
took a kombi and beetle CV. Like I said, he found out he was mistaken. But, how was/am I meant to know if it wasn't jsut a coincidence and the rest
of the stub is not the same as the Type 1? I can take a stub off the Type 3 rear end that I just got which is why I was wondering if the Type 3 stubs
are the same as the beetle's, but it is toolate now anyway. i could still send himethe measurements for confirmation though.. I am not in Perth
anymore so I will have to tkae his word that the next ones are the 944s that I want when he sends them. I was just thinking of my shallow pocket and
the hassle of sorting out a stuff-up. Sorry if I appear dumb. Paranoia is a horrible curse  Yesterday was the first time I had even seen a kombi Cv and likewise handled any CV up close.
Sorry, i am just glad I can actually ask you guys stuff and get help. Thanks
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| posted on May 19th, 2004 at 12:52 AM |
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Oh yeh, sorry but I don't have a price.
The one he had had a bit of surface rust and stuff which he thought might change the bearing size if rubbed off. I didn't think it would though, but
I won't have a price until the next ones are sourced. I will let you know though.
Hopefully no more than $300 for the pair cos that is definately my upper limit. I will go the machine, drill and tap option if they are more. I can
do them but it would save the hassle. I figure if I have this car for another 5-10 yrs, it will pay for itself and be worth more at sale cos of the
goodies on it. Or as parts in the very least.
Rightio then, seeyabye
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| posted on May 19th, 2004 at 09:30 AM |
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Sorry Jamie
With reference to the rear stub axles:
Type 3 (sedan/stationwagen/fastback) are the same as Type 1 (beetle), all IRS beetles are the same e.g. Superbug/semiautomatic/ 76 model.
Cheers
Craig T
P.S. Use a type 3 bearing cover/oil seal they are stronger than beetle.
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| posted on May 19th, 2004 at 04:18 PM |
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I was only joking :cry
I wouldn't pay any more than $150 the PR as I have now found out you can get em made to suit for less than that  ( Ask Craig )
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| posted on May 19th, 2004 at 04:23 PM |
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The price from swan for porsche 944 stubs is $150 each, so $300 a pair. Where can they be made for $150 a pair?
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| posted on May 19th, 2004 at 04:49 PM |
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I'm getting some made now. Cost will be around $150 for the pair, with you supplying the axle stubs.
Send me good axles and I will see what I can do.
Cheers
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| posted on May 19th, 2004 at 08:15 PM |
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Sorry i was a bit snappy.  A few other things happened at the same time.
hope I didn't put anyone off.
Thanks for the info on the stubs, I will use the Type 3 covers too.
Great advice.
Also, I got the call on the price of the stubs(944s). He found another one and said that they were $190 each. Hmmm. I don't know if that is worth it. He is going to see if he can do it better
becasue I said that $300 was my limit for sure.
Craig, I would be interested in your proposal! So if it works, I would send you the stubs and you would get them sorted? Do you do them yourself? I
would pay you some $$$ for the trouble if you are a middle-man. As long as it comes out sheaper, I win. Half price! if they are just as good, there
is no question. How are they done?
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All work is done by a leading Offroad and racecar prep workshop. Your axles are checked for straightness and also cracked tested prior to any work
being performed..............I'm the middle man and I'm making no money on this exercise.
I will post photo's and final costings etc when mine are finished
Cheers
Craig T
P.S. Start looking for good stub axles with no wear !
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Hey Craig??? Any news?? Not to be a pain or a pesterer
Also, I was just wondering. How would I go with the kmbi cv's just at the gearbox and type 1s at the stubs?? I don't suppose I will get as much
angle, but will I still be able to notch my springplates? I don't want my bloody springplates bashing on the stops, but I want as much lift as I can
and thoguht I might as well go the whole hog now.
Any thoughts?
Rightio
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