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| posted on April 17th, 2004 at 02:58 PM |
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Buggy Building
Is it still a big no no to shortern a chassis to build a swb buggy in QLD !
Is the only way to go, to find one with paper work ?
Are there many unfinished projects out there or old rotters with paper work around !
Is the transport deprtment ever gonna change there minds ?
Just a question or two !
If anyone could help with info would be great thanks guys.
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| posted on April 17th, 2004 at 05:42 PM |
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From what I understand in order would be Yes, Yes ,No ,No and if you can find one buggered with paper work they usually want a heap for it anyway.
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| posted on April 17th, 2004 at 05:46 PM |
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Bugga !!
Thought that might be the case !
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| posted on April 17th, 2004 at 06:57 PM |
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not always you can get shortened pans through however they must comply to the dept rules. I have mates who put theirs through (after much hard work)
last week. It is costly. Maybe your best to talk to Buggy Brad who knows the laws inside out |
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| posted on April 21st, 2004 at 09:31 PM |
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Oh ok so some one has put a new shortened chassis through and got it registered ! Is that correct ?
Do manx bodies WITHOUT paper work come up at all ?
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| posted on April 21st, 2004 at 09:38 PM |
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mmm
So many questions so many answers ...
The Rules so far.. ( As at 22 Jun 01 )
Under current QLD Codes of Practice for Light Vehicles a buggy with a shortened VW floor pan comes under a code LH5 and LH6. In English this rule
states a vehicle must comply with the ADR's of the year in which it is 1st Registered in the modified configuration. This means that if you build a
Meyer Manx then the entire vehicle must comply to current ADR's including emissions and braking. To date this CAN NOT be achieved with an air-cooled
VW engine. There are 3 ways around this:
1 - Have a copy of the original modification papers which proves the vehicle was modified and approved prior. If you have these then all you need to
do is get a RWC and proceed to the main roads where they will register the buggy. Make sure you get Manx or whatever buggy style you have on your
registration papers so Main roads don't hassle you later
2 - Be able to prove that the vehicle has been registered in its current configuration (as a buggy) before. If you can do this by providing papers or
the likes then you are half way there. Now you need to ring main roads modification department and arrange for an inspection. They will inspect the
buggy and if it complies with the ADR's for the date of the VW pan being used or date vehicle is registered as they will issue you with modification
papers. Then you may register the buggy.
3 - Build a Long Wheel Base buggy ( unshortened beetle pan) if you used an unmodified beetle pan then only the body needs to comply with the current
ADR's. This means that you can use a VW engine, brakes and everything else you want. The body ,however, must comply with the current ADR's. This
means it needs a heap of other stuff such a side intrusion bars, seat belt light etc etc. A full list of all things required will be here shortly once
I have a complete copy of the current ADR's and have submitted the list I have written to a LH5 and LH6 approving officer. If they are happy with it
then I will publish it along with there contact details so everyone in the Brisbane area can use the same guy and make their lives a little easier.
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| posted on April 21st, 2004 at 09:40 PM |
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mmm
The Bulletin that Chaged it All.. old Number 34 of May 2000
Approval by Approved Persons of Both Buggies constrcucted on Volkswagen chassis as Individually Constructed Vehicles ( ICV’s ).
Newly constructed beach buggies consisting of a fibreglass body on a Volkswagen chassis may now be approved using Codes LH 5 and 6 ‑
Individually and Low Volume Vehicles (Design and Construction). With the exception of beaming and torsion testing, these vehicles must meet all
requirements contained in this section of the Code of Practice, particularly with respect to ADR compliance.
Although LH 5 and 6 requires beaming and torsional testing the majority of these vehicles me constructed to designs approved many years ago and have
been shown to meet requirements, therefore, beaming and torsion tests and‑ fibreglass testing is NOT required, provided they are constructed
in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions, using a Volkswagen chassis and the following makes of beach buggy bodies,.
- Meyers Manx
- J & S
- Supa Sport
- Kalita
- Brad's Mega Manx
- Bay Buggies
- Road Runner
- Explorer
Note. All of these beach buggy conversions require a roll bar.
Owners who have proof of previous registration of their vehicle in its modified condition and have no approval letter from Queensland Transport, may
apply to the Road Use Business Management Group (Formally Road Use Management Support Section) for a new approval letter. An inspection at a
Queensland Transport Vehicle Inspection Centre will be required.
Owners may, however, choose to obtain LH5 and 6 Individual and Low Volume Vehicles ( Design and Construction) certification. Approved Persons would
use the earliest date of registration in that configuration as the date of construction to determine which ADR's would have been applicable.
[Edited on 21-4-2004 by Buggy Brad]
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| posted on April 21st, 2004 at 09:41 PM |
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Oh I forgot to mention the information I have provided IS THE LAW ... and I have copies of all documentation mentioned to support this.
That being said where there is a will there is a way and you can achieve registration of a SWB buggy if you set your mind to it.
Is that enough info for you ???
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| posted on April 21st, 2004 at 09:48 PM |
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Cool thanks for that info brad very helpful.
Better read it a few times to make sure i understand it and don't ask too many questions !
Ok one more side thing !! What about building a BAJA ! Say out of a 56 !! Is that hard to register ?
Sorry about all the questions just been looking at all the pics of you guys and gurls playing on the beach !! Looks like so much fun .
Thanks in advance
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| posted on April 21st, 2004 at 09:55 PM |
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So Matt you've seen the light !!
beetles are fun..................................................buggies are better!
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| posted on April 21st, 2004 at 10:00 PM |
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Building and getting a baja registered is a piece of piss.
Do a search on here there was a thread a while back on which I posted the rules for Baja's.
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| posted on April 21st, 2004 at 10:29 PM |
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Cool I'll have a look see if i can find it !
I think i have seen the light at the end of the tunnel !
Bug was good when needed to use it every day, now gonna make a real play thing out of it !!! 
Thanks again brad might be more questions yet !!
One last one for now should i procede down swb manx do bodies only come up for grabs ! Thought you'd be the one to ask
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| posted on April 22nd, 2004 at 03:00 PM |
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Like these old stylye looking ! but i want to play on the beach too !!!
Just gathering pics and ideas !
Hope you don't mind me using your pics manxdavid in uk. like your buggy mate.
Anyone know how much i'd be looking at for a manx body no chassis no paper work ! Rough ideas !
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| posted on April 22nd, 2004 at 03:50 PM |
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Anyone know how much i'd be looking at for a manx body no chassis no paper work ! Rough ideas !
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Hmmmm... Somewhere between $0 and $4000... how's that for rough.
As everything it depends on condition. A body with a lot of holes in it and no windscreen you might get for nothing. Or an imacculate example will
cost you heaps more.
Wayne Horsfall Mechanical sell brand new SWB Manx look-alikes
http://www.whm.com.au
Beachbuggy Australia (now custom offroad) do LWB Manx based buggies
http://www.beachbuggy.com.au
Sharpbuilt do a modernised LWB 'Limo"
http://www.sharpbuilt.com.au
If you want a genuine Manx it will cost you whatever someone will sell you one for.
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| posted on April 22nd, 2004 at 05:35 PM |
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Yeah rough i guess was open to abuse !!!
For the upper mark i could get a SWB, which is what I am thinking of from the UK body only ! There still nock out a fewover there !!! All be it slightly different for copy right ! but nothing a bit of fibre glass
wouldn't fix !
I wouldn't be after a super example. one that needed a bit of fixing up would be ok.
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| posted on April 22nd, 2004 at 05:42 PM |
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I purchased my J&S for $500, pan was a throw away,so I have only kept the body. It needs repairs and painting!
Buy a new Body from the people already mentioned.
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| posted on April 22nd, 2004 at 05:46 PM |
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Matt you have an email
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| posted on April 22nd, 2004 at 06:01 PM |
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I've just listed a LWB Manx on ebay . Starts at $2000 no reserve . Drive it home .
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| posted on April 22nd, 2004 at 06:08 PM |
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thanks.
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| posted on April 22nd, 2004 at 06:09 PM |
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Really fancy a SWB. thanks anyway.
Kinda determind now have plenty to furnish the buggy with, have a white donar car
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| posted on April 22nd, 2004 at 09:36 PM |
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http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2475058647&cate...
Is this it??? If so that isn't a LWB MAnx???
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| posted on April 22nd, 2004 at 09:43 PM |
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Yep thats one of mine , theyres another one on there somewhere .
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| posted on April 22nd, 2004 at 09:47 PM |
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what should I search under???? buggy? beach buggy? Manx? Dune Buggy?
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| posted on April 22nd, 2004 at 09:51 PM |
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http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?viewItem&item=2475058208&cate... |
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| posted on April 22nd, 2004 at 09:56 PM |
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tA not bad looking wheels
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| posted on April 22nd, 2004 at 10:42 PM |
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Just listed a SWB Manx on ebay.
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| posted on April 22nd, 2004 at 10:56 PM |
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Hope you sell it but i really only after a body !!!!that is all no tinterested in rest unless is cheap as !!
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where is the LWB buggy, I can only find the SWB :jesus
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| posted on April 22nd, 2004 at 11:00 PM |
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HEE HEE HEE I know where the LWb is going:P
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