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| posted on June 23rd, 2004 at 02:29 AM |
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Getting a little more poke from a 1600
hey. i have decided to stick with the 1600 motor for the time being. i currently have a 1600 with dual kadrons (thats all as far as i know). i was
wondering what sort of modifications would be good for some extra power and a not so high price. any help with this would be greatly appreciated. and
by not so high priced i mean. not thousands.
Thanks, Anthony
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Have you seen this http://www.aircooled.net/gnrlsite/resource/articles.htm src="images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt=":)"
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| posted on June 23rd, 2004 at 03:04 AM |
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no i havnet. lol. but i will be sure to take a look at it now. and another question. what kind of work is required in order to fit a nice set of 17
inch wheels on the car??
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thanks had a look at that site. was interesting. but the only real major change i could see was the rockers. the exhaust and extractors i have already
got aswell. just looking for a substantial increase. any ideas from people that have done anything?
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http://www.shoptalkforums.com/ then go to Euro look forum,have fun  |
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is that only for wheels? no ideas about mods to improve performance. thinking maybe. new cam and connecting rods or something?
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| posted on June 23rd, 2004 at 03:36 AM |
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Sorry dude i was thinking you didnt want to split the case,since your thinking about opening the case, start with a counterweighted crank 90.5 or 94mm
pistons and cylinders then yule hafta bore the case and heads to match your barrels,then some heads 044s ported preferably from cbperfomance and a cam
up to you from mild to wild,you can keep your kads and rejet to suite and top it off witha 009 dissy and a pertronix or somethin,get rid of your
points if you still have them,anyway theres plenty of info out there but you hafta do some research or dissappointment WILL result.:thumb anyway go
back to shoptalkforum and look at speed and drag racing its all in there,cheers
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ok. i am willing to open the case. however. i am not prepared to get new heads or bore out heads as this is only a temporary engine in the car. i am
to do an EJ20T conversion somewhere along the line. i am just looking for a little more grunt from the 1600. would like it to stay as a 1600. any
ideas?. sorry for not telling you all this info before
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| posted on June 23rd, 2004 at 07:06 AM |
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Turbo????
Other than that a counterwieghted crank, a port and polish is all that can be done extra to the aircooled.net article.
Check out iswinkles post
http://www.aussieveedubbers.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=23648
about his new engine and his web page- his old engine was a 1640 turbo. What ever you do it's gonna cost $$$$ Might be best to stick with it as it
and save for the Subi
And question 2:
If you want to fit big wheels to a super you'll need to go slim coil spring front struts. V-force (Vintage Vee Dub as well?) are your best bet for
these.
Check out the forums at http://www.superbeetlesonly.com/frameset.html but basically you'll need to redrill (dirty word is Australia I believe -
so insert the words "drill blank hubs(rotors)") to a more common stud pattern (eg 4 x 100), choose wheels with a low offset (close to the beetle
wheels ~ 40mm max) and ideally no wider than 6 inches wide for the front.
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And check http://www.germanlook.com
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| posted on June 23rd, 2004 at 02:15 PM |
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thats cool. cos i am fitting falcon discs to rear. and am thinking of converting front to 5 stud pattern at the same time. what is the price of some
slim coil spring front struts?
found a pretty good site for wheels. if anyone knows of any better ones please let me know. for now i am looking at
http://www.tempetyres.com.au
seem pretty cheap.
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| posted on June 23rd, 2004 at 02:33 PM |
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well I think you will find you have all the cheap mods, if ur splitting the case you might aswell go to a 1776 or 1916, and then some mild port and
polish and a new cam.
try v force for narrow springed struts (approx $1000 last time i checked) (whole strut not just the spring) or i think u can get tapered springs, but
not sure where. for the wheel and tyre converision ur looking at alot of money.
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| posted on June 23rd, 2004 at 02:37 PM |
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how much do you predict the wheel and tyre conversion will be?
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how much do you predict the wheel and tyre conversion will be?
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| posted on June 23rd, 2004 at 03:14 PM |
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well I have done some prelim scoping my self, but in the thousands. try jak rizzo on here as he runs 17's and brake upgrade
but think this way
$1000- new front struts
$600-2000 for wheels
$600 to 200 for decent tyres
$200 to 1000 for front brakes -dependant on type- eg larger rotors and new calipers or just redrilled std disks
$400 to 1500 for rear brakes
now that is buying all it new etc. best person to tlak to is jak. or try beetle
but if you can do ur own machining work and get cheaper parts it would be better. or the other option is last time i rpiced it new set of simmoins
wheels in vw 4 stud pattern (custom drilled) cost about $2000 but that was a few yrs ago.
http://www.beetleracing.com.au
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| posted on June 23rd, 2004 at 03:19 PM |
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For Performance:
If you don't want to pull it apart (keeping cost down) then Kadrons, extractors and a 009 is the most practical changes you can really do.
If you want to pull it down( but keeping it 1600), then fully balance and machine all parts to spec, change the cam (pobjoy 37/68 is a good all
rounder), raise the compression to 8.5:1, fit a hgh volume oil pump to cope with the added revs, and then rejet the kadrons to suit. Use a 1 1/2 inch
merged extractors or a set of thunderbirds.
or save the $$$ for your conversion.
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| posted on June 23rd, 2004 at 06:00 PM |
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Your other option re struts is to run the stock struts with Topline tapered spring, allows more clearance in the middle for wide wheels - check that
they don't fowl the bottom spring cup on the strut though.
Check out http://www.toplineparts.com/frameset.html
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| posted on June 23rd, 2004 at 08:28 PM |
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yeah. i was looking at these rims.
http://www.tempetyres.com.au/products_closeup.asp?part=Shadow+Chrome&part...
they are the ones i would be interested in. 7 inch width i think. and i am getting falcon rear discs. and thinking of converting front to 5 stud
aswell.
tell me what you think of my options. should work out less than the figures you wrote above
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| posted on June 23rd, 2004 at 09:31 PM |
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Here we go again
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wat you mean here we go again?
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ok. i have made a final decision. get my motor up and running. well serviced. and rebuilt. so it runs smooth. and have steering sorted out .etc. and
get falcon brakes. then. i decided that i will if im going to go rims. go all the way. and get 18 inch rims. no point doing it unless u r gonna do it
properly. and then after i get rims sorted out. search for a rebuilt shell. (i got a quote of 5 grand to rebuild mine). cant afford that. so looking
for one that has had work already done. does not matter what colour it comes in if any colour. anyone know of one or any help on this would be greatly
appreciated. and after i get the body looking smooth and schmick. i will then start on motor.
ok. the steering problem. at about 40 or 50 mph i think it is. the steering wheel shakes like a person with epilepsy at a rave. any ideas what the
problem is and how to fix it??
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motor my cost so far for 1600 cc donk twin port .
gasket kit $40.00
oil pump h/f $55.00
pistion kit $225.00
cam followers $70.00
swivel feet $70.00
push rod tubes $35.00
oo9 dizy $105.00
fuel pump $60.00
cam HSC2 $150.00
machine work heads & crank & case & ree size rods $480.00 mates rates .
I can let you know my machinest when you are ready
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why resize the rods?. and wat machining is to be done?
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ok if you pull a motor down measure the id of the bearing dia you will find its out of round .I do not take any short cuts and have all ways re sized
con rods.
if you dont the bearing after a short run would be like a egg if you measure it .
this also help as I have a trade back ground as an fitter / machinest
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| posted on June 24th, 2004 at 01:12 AM |
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machine work = valves & seats ,face heads , fit 316 stainless steel header bolts ,bead blast .
crank = bearing dia
con rods = resize
case = chemical clean crack test line bore may require case savers .* or new case ?
fly wheel , you may need to do that as well & clutch ?
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like me 33 years old hee hee
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hey man. yeah. i shall DEFINATELY get this done. as my car is running terribly. do u know where armadale is?. well we and a few mates took my car out
one day. from armadale to perth and back used about 20 -25 bucks of fuel. is this normal?. what could the problem be. and it was not leaking fuel as
far as we could see. Do you know anything about the shuddering of the steering wheel?
sorry. was writing this post while you were replying desert moose. lol. sorry
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yes I know its where that is ,I have been to that court house a few times .
the problem is your car is old needs work .
you would be better to get a motor from another car and rebuild that , find a F case supper bug semi auto .
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heh. i was at the courthouse just today. lol. umm. i would prefer to stick with the engine i have now. simply for cost factor. rebuilding this engine
should fix this problem shouldnt it?. the engine was not doing anywhere near as bad fuel consumtion when my brother was driving it. (about 6 or 7
months it has been off the road). but after about 5 months of it being off the road. we decided to start her up and see what its still like. ran well.
made it to about 120 no worries. but fuel consumption was bad. was a fuel leak to start. tightened things up. fixed that (we think). so do you not
think rebuilding this engine would fix that problem of fuel consumption. other than that it ran ok. i amnew to the veedub scene. i was a big import
fan a while back and still am. just since i seen what these vw's can do and since i came into posession of one i have just fallen in love with them.
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mmm I dont what to know ,I was the good guy , the other one is doing time :rudolf
once you do the motor it will be all good , but a subaru is better :P
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heh. of course a subaru is better. HHAHAHAHAH. nah i am the good guy. i was filing for a restraining order. dont worry :sandrine . but this engine is
just a temporary thing that will hopefully keep me mobile. and then when i have the exterior nice and schmick. worry about getting those big 17/18's
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