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Just How fast can a Kombi Cruise?
Hi this is my first post, we have a '75 Camper auto with just fitted reco 2L, still with 1800 gearing, we intend doing the Darwin/Ayers Rock
thing, & Iwould love to know what speed you can sit on & still get home on 4 cyl. , our beat up 2L van with dubious motor used to sit on
110k's all day, but then I didn't care if blew up. A number of people with 1800's looked at me in horror when I asked if they were OK
to cruise at 100k & said 80 - 90k max,
as far as I can figure max torque is 3200 revs, 90kmh which should be the best cruise but I wish for 100kmh, I have not yet fitted temp guage |
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 08:07 AM |
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hey
it depends on the load you have!!!! im no experty but with a load(all the camping gear etc) you should be able to cruise at 90-100kph all day !!
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 08:19 AM |
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thats what I'm hoping for, load is 2 Adults and 2 teens, the issue is probably load + wind resistance/speed affect on oil temp.
unfortunately cruising speed up a hill in the 1800 auto is 60k's I sure miss the 3rd gear from the manual, but it is a hell of a lot easier to
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 09:36 AM |
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hey
the autos are a very strong box!!!!! only time will tell with the speed!
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p.s. take heaps of pictures when your on holidays!
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 01:07 PM |
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Kombi auto boxes have a lower top gear than manuals (autos are almost 1:1, manuals are about .89:1), but autos also have a taller diff. The end result
is that overall gearing at the wheels is almost the same. Kombi auto boxes came from the 411 sedan and are bulletproof so long as they're not
worn out and the fluid is fresh and topped up. They're great gearboxes. Mine shifts more smoothly than my Dad's EL Falcon.
The weak spot in a Type 4 motor is the heads; what did your engine reco involve headwise? Old heads are prone to having the valve seats come loose,
but if you've just had your heads replaced then you won't need to worry. The bottom end of Type 4 engines are extremely strong, much more so
than a Type 1 engine, and won't cause any problems.
On the road, take some spare oil and check your level each day. Top it up if necessary; new engines burn a bit while the rings are settling in. Yes
80-90 km/h is a comfortable cruise and your new engine should be able to maintain it effortlessly. My Kombi is similar to yours and I only use half
throttle at 90 km/h.
You can go higher if you like; mine cruises at 120 km.h with no problems but you will use way more fuel. At 120km/h my fuel gauge goes down almost
while I watch it. Did your engine builder use your old 1800 carbs on your new 2-litre? If so, I suggest you enlarge the main jets to 1.35 or even 1.4
on your new engine. A richer mixture will run slightly cooler and also compensate for this ethanol they add to fuel nowadays.
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 02:32 PM |
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yep I am impressed with the auto, reverse is very,very high geared though, the cylinder head is what suddenly killed the 1800 in it, I haven't
removed it to see what is wrong yet, Three Cyl only. The 2L was done by SKH dunno that they use new heads, or just new seats, the whole Valve thing
does scare me though. re the carbs I did use the ones off the 1800 which were in abnormally good condition,
I have not checked what jets are in them,
I won't be going to N.T, until August, before then I will shove a couple of 195/80's on the back & see what economy I get at 100ks with
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 04:01 PM |
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I would bet they used reco'd 2-litre heads, which have smaller intake and exhaust valves than 1800 heads (believe it or not). NEW 2-litre heads
are available but they cost $$$ - which you would have noticed! My Kombi was originally 1800 as well and, like you, I lost the exhaust valve seat on
No 3 cylinder. I bought reco'd 1800 heads from the 'States.
From memory, stock 1800 carbs had 1.3 mains in them, and 2-litre carbs had 1.35 main jets. 2-litre engines have 5mm more engine stroke and 1mm more
bore, so 1800 carbs will run a little lean on a 2-litre engine. Any good engine tuning place can drill the jets for you. I bored and stroked my Kombi
to 2.35 litres, and went to 1.55 mains.
Yes an oil temp gauge is a good idea. The ideal place to mount the sender is in that 'dead' round plate on the bottom of the motor - the one
that doesn't do anything. I put mine into the pressure release valve screw, but it doesn't see a lot of oil flow there and I'm mostly
reading the case temperature! I will move it one of these days.
Kombis do seem to drink a lot of fuel; mine seems to need a fill after 350 km or so but I haven't kept proper records yet. The good news is that
the economy doesn't seem to change much whether you load them up with gear or not.
Taller tyres will slow the motor very slightly at a given speed, but I didn't know you can still buy 80-series tyres! I will be happy with
205/70s next time.
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 10:00 PM |
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Something else you can do is fit Fibreglass scoops to the air ducts on the side of the Kombi, I fitted these and it dropped the oil temp by 10
degrees, not much but every little bit helps.
I have no probs cruising at 100km/h with the oil temp sitting on about 110 degrees
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 11:02 PM |
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Thanks very much guys,
Graham, I would love to get the scoops, I've seen them but apparently they are hard to get & cost big bucks, I will have to check the main
jets & the carbies, so far I have pulled apart 2 "sets" & almost nothing matched in either re tyres mine had the usual 195/75s btut
my wife complained about the steering so I put 185 LT tyres on the front, the difference was astounding! I have one 195 sr x 14 for the back I have
just got to find another. Re fuel consumption, our original Kombi, a 76 2L manual van went like hell & got between 20 to 28 mpg, this thing is
getting 17 round town which was a bit daunting at first, phil, I checked the oil & it has gone from the high to the low in 700k's the motor
has now done about 800k's I really appreciate all the help, most kombi owners I come across haven't got the faintest idea what makes them
tick, they just drive them into the ground, pay big bucks to fix & drive them into the ground again, then sell them
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| posted on December 20th, 2002 at 09:47 AM |
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I noticed with my first kombi (2L efi) that it was great on fuel around town, but really got thirsty on the highway, which led me to believe that wind
resistance in the problem. As Phil mentioned, weight doesn't seem to bother them, because it doesn't increase wind resistance. Pulling a box
trailer does though, and it sucks fuel like you wouldn't believe!! I tend to sit on 90 kph purely to decrease my fuel consumption and the
difference is very noticable, with both the 2L and my current 1800 twin carb.
There is no reason why a kombi shouldn't be able to sit on 110 all day, as long as you don't mind paying for the fuel. I would however be
fitting an oil cooler and possibly some elephant ears as Graham mentioned, just to ensure that the oil isn't getting too warm.
On the topic of autos: I have one (091) sitting in my shed which I plan to fit to my kombi, but evidently one is not supposed to tow anything with an
auto. I approached my local transmission specialist about this on Wednesday and he suggested he may be able to fit some extra clutches to beef it up a
bit (probably around $400-500), but said they are basically a very strong box, something like a Ford C4. He proposed that the problem was more likely
due to heat buildup, in which case an auto fluid cooler would help, provided the lines can be tapped through to the outside of the box. I haven't
investigated any further as yet.
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| posted on December 20th, 2002 at 10:08 AM |
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So what sort of mileage are you guys getting.
My 82 is just being broken in. Motor had a full rebuild. Probally done about 500kms on it so far. Its 2L with twin solexes auto box. Had some trouble
with the kick down for most of the time. We adjusted it last week and goes much better now. Had to stomp it before. Anyway reckon i am getting 6km/l
(17 mpg) and this is real suburban / kid driving. To school - shops - tai kwon do - grand parents and a late nite cruize when i get home.
reckon this is about right.
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| posted on December 20th, 2002 at 10:11 AM |
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By the way - drove to work the other day (managed to prize the keys out of the wifes hands) Cruised nicely along the free way - all 10km of the
journey. Yep, sat lovely on 90ish - had more, just didnt see the point.
Its great at the moment Blue with the 1776 T1 is a blast, but Daisy is such a cruise to drive. Love my cookies on her too!
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| posted on December 20th, 2002 at 10:52 AM |
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hey,you guys are getting ahead of me,
yep, wind resistance, the spare wheel must really stuff things up I have to shove it on the front because we have a full width bed/seat.
Re Auto , ours has evidence of Towbar fitted at some stage, but I wouldn't do it,
air cooled transmissions don't take much to overheat & with the Kombi, there is a lot of heat transfer actually goes to the motor, increasing
the engine temp, the high slip ratio in the torque convertor doesn't help either.
so Major Hirst--- I live not far from you & our vehicle does all the same things except one kid does Karate, the other does Tai Kwon Do so I guess
I am stuck with 17 MPG, I don't get to drive the Kombi much except on the premise of fixing it, my wife has pronounced driving it as fun, &
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I was wondering who Major Hurst was...me! I was isano dubhead or sumfin yesterday!
Anyway looks like i am in the pall park. u2u me - if ya wanna catch up for a beer or talk more
Have a good one
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| posted on December 20th, 2002 at 11:46 AM |
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Blue 74l hirstsumfindubhead check you bagnew email nownow as I cannot u2u
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I don't know whether anyone has explained it before. The story goes back to just after World War 2 ended, when the British Army occupied that
part of Germany. The Brits took over the wrecked VW factory and used it firstly as a maintence workshop before they started making Beetles again.
Major Ivan Hurst was the commanding officer of the regiment that controlled the VW factory from 1945 to 1948. He only died a couple of years ago.
I haven't worked out my fuel consumption; I already have to keep a logbook for work journeys and mileage so I really don't want another one!
But yes, '70s road tests of auto Kombis seem to suggest 17-20 mpg. Mine goes about 350km between fills (about every 4 days at the moment).
And my auto goes sweetly enough to get busted by the cops - 76km/h on a three-lane (60km) highway, by sneaky hidden radar unit, just this morning.
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| posted on December 20th, 2002 at 03:25 PM |
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really sorry to hear you got busted,
350km is pretty good assuming you put 50 litres in that is 19.5mpg,
am well aware of Major Hirst he accomplished a lot & was a very humble man. I have Humbers (Rootes Group) who turned down the VW factory for the
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Re: Scoops
Try Mick Motors for the scoops, if he can't get them you might have some luck with Volks Conversions on the Gold Coast as I know they have
them.
Not sure on price as I haven't bought a set in a long time.
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| posted on December 20th, 2002 at 08:31 PM |
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thanks, I will try both, I have to go up to the Goldcoast last 2 weeks in Jan, Dunno If I will take the Kombi tho as I need it serviced by a REAL
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Gold Coast Volkswagen Repairs is just down the road from Volks Conversions in Labrador.
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Gold Coast VW Repairs
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| posted on December 20th, 2002 at 11:14 PM |
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:bounce:bounce thanks very much Graham, I'll see how I go in a coupla weeks
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| posted on December 20th, 2002 at 11:19 PM |
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You should be able to cruise all day anywhere between 100 and 120 without overheating without elephant ears. Kombis cruise unreal, even when towing.
Take their time getting there, but once there its all good... until the hill. Mike n Mal managed it for years! Spose they werent autos though.
There's gotta be something wrong with getting 17mpg surely! Im getting between 15 and 17 with my turbo kombi and it is running VERY rich cos I
havent been able to get jets.
A spare tyre is a luxury. A turbo is neccesity.
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| posted on December 20th, 2002 at 11:29 PM |
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180kmh given a long enough bit of road + 12 PSI.
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Have gotten best ever fuel consumption consistently when on holidays cruisin NSW. 1800 twin carb with 2L box
Average 10.8 litres/ 100km over 3000km trip.
Using only Optimax.
Wheels are 16 inch 205/55/16 tyres. Same rolling diameter as the 185/75/14 we had on before, give or take a millimetre.
Best fuel was 10.1 L/100 km from Bairnsdale to Melb - Downhill?
Around town about 15 L/100km
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Does anyone have a piccy of these elephant ears that they can post ?
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| posted on December 23rd, 2002 at 09:17 PM |
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Fatboy (hee hee - use to have a cat called that!)
They are just a right angle extension to the air grilles just behind the back window. Instead of being flush with the kombi they stick out to catch
the air
Good things....just like a dect standoff for a T1
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they also stop a lot of water getting in when it is raining & the vehicle is stationary, (or in reverse at high speed)
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Fuel consumption and cruising speed (84 Wasserboxer)
I have now done a couple of longish trips in myt 84 Wasserboxer camper with 1.9 motor and 5 speeds. It has a Sopru conversion, with the moulded rack
above the cab. I travelled with this empty. I carried 50 litres of water in addition to the underfloor 25 litre tank, 25 litres of additional fuel
(PULP was very hard to find once I was a couple of hundred k's out of Adelaide), and the usual load of food etc.
The first trip was Adelaide - Flinders Ranges. The second was Adelaide - Kangaroo Island. I guess on both, almost 10% was off bitumen.
I'm running new Light Truck tyres, with 36 PSI front and 38 PSI rear (cold).
On both trips I pushed along as fast as was comfortable on the highway, and took a lot of excursions up side roads and tracks to look at interesting
places, often crawling in first or second gear.
I averaged 16.5 mpg overall. I found the best cruising speed was about 95. She would ease up above this with a tail wind or slight down gradient. I
struck strong headwinds (blowing about 30-40 knots) heading north towards Port Augusta, and she was struggling to hold on in 5th gear.
I used just under 1 litre of oil (I'm ashamed to say, whatever the service stattions had) per 1,000 kilometres. That oil has now been replaced
with Penrite 10-60, and the level does not appear to be changing at all.
This fuel consumption is consistent with what I got in my last Transporter, an 82 2 litre aircooled Sopru camper with an identical setup and load.
That one cruised a bit faster, maybe not only from the larger motor but also because 4th gear was somewhere between this one's 3rd and 5th, and
was just that bit more suitable when the pressure was on.
Some may be interested that the 3-way Electrolux built-in fridge maintained ice on 12v while cruising and LPG at night. I always run it overnight on
240v before I leave on a trip, and use 240v where available in camping grounds etc.
Oh, and on a silly season note, in my old van I once set off with the pop-top up, waving happily to people flashing lights at me etc. Luckily, I was
just ambling along at about 40, admiring the ocean. I got several kilometers before I stopped to check out a funny noise up top. I don't think
the fuel consumption would have been very good that time!
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So what sort of mileage are you guys getting.
My 82 is just being broken in. Motor had a full rebuild. Probally done about 500kms on it so far. Its 2L with twin solexes auto box. Had some trouble
with the kick down for most of the time. We adjusted it last week and goes much better now. Had to stomp it before. Anyway reckon i am getting 6km/l
(17 mpg) and this is real suburban / kid driving. To school - shops - tai kwon do - grand parents and a late nite cruize when i get home.
reckon this is about right.
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| posted on December 25th, 2002 at 09:34 AM |
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auto box
I had an auto camper once,lost reverse gear in it,common apparently,you can run an oil cooler,they are 2 screws that you need to take out and get the
right fittings for and you're away!!
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