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| posted on December 29th, 2004 at 04:45 PM |
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Why are we wasting all this money?
On fireworks on NYE ?
The gumbiment can only scrape up an 'initial' 10 million aussie pesos to help the tsunami relief but in Sydney on NYE they will probably blow up in
smoke a similar amount.
In less than half an hour.
Not to mention the silly decorations and pathetic musical efforts they always come up with on the night.
I understand that this money was probably already spent before this disaster but what a waste, every year not just this sad year.
Having seen the fireworks I do admit that it's an awesome show in a great surrounding, but it costs a fortune at a time when our hospitals, schools,
police , and roads etc etc are starved for funds.
It's ok to ask for donations and feel all warm and fuzzy as you give your credit card number to a charity call centre drone so your obligation is
over, but really respecting the dead would involve cancelling celebrations on NYE and putting the money into the relief fund.
No, lets party on and clear our conscience with a token donation or two.
It happened so close to Chrissie that appropriate reverence needs to be observed and that means more than a minutes silence at the cricket.
Please no comments about my lack of decorum during this time, the mods have done their job and that's that.
After Bali, Paul Mccartney cancelled his aussie concerts as a mark of respect. ( I also heard because he wanted way too much money for the gig??)
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| posted on December 29th, 2004 at 08:45 PM |
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I don't know if it's a waste. Surely there must be some benefit to having a big party to see the year out? Lots of people seem to enjoy it.
It's a bit unfortunate that it happened just after such a massive disaster, but as you said, the money has most likely been spent already so why
waste it by cancelling the festivites?
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| posted on December 29th, 2004 at 08:51 PM |
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Yes the money will have been spent...and I guess it could send the fireworks people bust if they loose their big gig
Maybe paid events around the place can donate some of their takings to the relief funds??
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I bet some of the people coming back from over there are looking forward to a much happier new years eve party.
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| posted on December 29th, 2004 at 09:01 PM |
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Yep...it would help to enjoy and laugh...but would imagine they will be in a lot of shock still...but good to celebrate life for those that can
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i wonder if someone will tell the however many thousands of homeless people around aus that the millionsm of dollars spent on 20 mins of fireworks is
worth it?
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Makes the billions wasted on a war in iraq look like a crying shame as well.
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| posted on December 29th, 2004 at 09:08 PM |
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....well I guess on that one... many of them will probably be at a fireworks display somewhere in Oz
It does happen in so many countries around the world on New Years Eve...I don't know if anyone has cancelled theirs...
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Okay i do agree that a cool $10 mil is not much in the big scheme of things but lets put it in perspective. We are by all accounts a relatively small
country with a population of about 20 million. Personally I find it pathetic that the US with it's massive popluation of I'm guessing well over
100Million could only come up with $20mil initially. I think people need to look at the per capita efforts.
Kind of like the rich guy that gives $1000 to charity and everybody thinks he is king shit and then some little old lady that gives her last $50 is
just well $50. I should have been a priest. Hey I might start a cult.
I know our relief figure has since gone up and good on them for doing it. Not sure about the US though. Lets not also forget that in the governments
defence we do have problems at home that the money could of fixed like hospitals etc. that have already been mentioned. And as Aussie's some of our
hard paid taxes already goes to some of these countries in Aid every year. Hell some countries we are not the best of friends with get cash.
So as a proud Aussie I say we do our bit pretty good, the government even though I can't stand them are between a rock and a hard place and your dead
right about New Years Eve celebrations. You know one family has been doing the fire works display for like 10 years or something. I'm guessing they
don't do it for cost either. Every year bigger and better. Bigger and more expensive or is it bigger and bigger profit. Clearly I am a pessimist.
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u.s have no loose change after iraq. :duh
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| posted on December 29th, 2004 at 09:49 PM |
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Come on all you "southerners"...The Townsville city council has cancelled the New Years fireworks etc and given the money to help out the relief
efforts for the less fortunate after the tidal wave. I wonder how many others will do the same??:rudolf:rudolf:thumb
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| posted on December 29th, 2004 at 09:54 PM |
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Spending government money on NYE does support businesses and therefore families dont forget, its not entirely wasted.
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| posted on December 29th, 2004 at 09:55 PM |
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So I'm guessing Townsville council owned a hotel that got wiped out over there. I'm joking. I'm joking. Good on them. Good to see that they have
the balls to do it.
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| posted on December 29th, 2004 at 10:16 PM |
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Spending government money on NYE does support businesses and therefore families dont forget, its not entirely wasted.
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The council uses rate payers money.It is not "government money" it is ours,the ratepayers.:P
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| posted on December 29th, 2004 at 10:28 PM |
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....but it does support the businesses in the areas people are gathering..they would be counting on the trade for that time of year
Maybe these businesses can donate a little too if they've had a good night :sandrine
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| posted on December 29th, 2004 at 10:30 PM |
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most businesses would be closed then. probably scared of looters
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| posted on December 29th, 2004 at 10:35 PM |
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...well all the food venues...cafes...bars etc
....all the people who sell the glowing necklaces and trumpets :jesus 
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| posted on December 30th, 2004 at 12:28 AM |
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mmm i agree. The NYE australian anthem is a joke. It sounds like a 13 year old producer in his bedroom made it.
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| posted on December 30th, 2004 at 08:37 AM |
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I heard on the news this morning that someone had an idea for everyone on NYE to pay $1 extra for their first drink, and then to have it donated to
the relief fund. I doubt it will happen though. Feel so helpless about it all actually.
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| posted on December 30th, 2004 at 09:45 AM |
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i watched farenheit 911 for the first time last night (and i watched it twice!) so im feeling a little saucy and argumentative... be prepared.
had this natural event been closer to say... england or america, we would not be hearing the end of it. we would still be having 24 hour news channels
days after the fact, even if it was only 3000 people killed. oh woe is me, look a big wave came and hit a big country, feel sorry for us because we
control your economy.
but it didnt hit america or england.
the biggest shame about this disaster is that it hit nothing but 3rd world/very poverty stricken countries... countries who rarely have a say in
anything, and unfortunately, have many people who are of a belief system that the first world seems to have a deep hatred for.
im quite sure that the US could have come up with ALOT more than its $20 million for aid, but why would they give their hard earned tax payers dollars
to a bunch of islamic fundamentalists (because in their country's eyes, if you believe in islam, you are automatically a cold blooded psycho killer)
or hindus? dont forget, there isnt any oil there either, so whats the point?
over 60, 000 people are DEAD, from countries who are stretched to the limit trying to help their people on a normal day, let alone after a natural
disaster on this scale. 60, 000 people who tried hard to support their families and live their lives suddenly have children dead or spouses missing...
is 20 million from the us going to go far enough to rebuild so many lives in so many countries?
i dont think so. I agree with type one that we are doing alot better per capita than the US for our donation to aid but...
i also agree with sax, that we need to look at the big picture... one city is spending millions of dollars for fireworks for one day... ney... 15
minutes. and they do this EVERY YEAR!!
people, so we have made our trip around the sun aboard this blue planet, again, wow... guess what we will do it next year too! I know everyone is
wanting to enjoy themselves and celebrate the coming of the next orbit, but something big has happened not many days ago, and alot of innocent people
less fortuntate than ourselves are dead, no doubt they were excited about spending the coming of the next orbit in celebration, now they have to spend
it cleaning up and in mourning, trying to find somewhere to live, something to eat, and the bodies of their loved ones.
and we will be partying, watching wasteful expensive flashes in the sky and not thinking about those less fortunate.
ive gotten paid today, and i will be giving some of my celebration money to the aid effort. if i can afford to party just because our planet has done
its usual thing and travelled around the sun, then i can afford to help those inhabitants of the planet who have just had their lives shattered by a
big wall of water.
i think everyone should do their little bit to help, even if it is just a few dollars, for your karma... because you would be feeling alot differently
if this had happened to say... perth or sydney.
please excuse the rant...my $0.02
in the beginning, the universe was created.
this made alot of people very angry and is widely regarded as a bad move.
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| posted on December 30th, 2004 at 10:09 AM |
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why should we worry so much about the crisis?
if it happened to us, we'd be left on our own.
enjoy the new year celebrations
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id hate to think that you actually believe what you are saying killakornkob... with the amount of natural resouces other countries could get their
hands on if anything of this magnitude happened to australia, i think they would all be flocking to give us aid in the chance that we would give them
some nice mineral assests...
not only that, but its in their interests to help us because they wouldnt have any nice holiday destinations to go to if we got wiped out by a wave...
a pessimistic outlook i know, but its true 
just read the paper, front page is a little swedish boy who is looking for his mum, dad and brother who were washed away...im sure he would have liked
to enjoy the new years celebrations too.
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this made alot of people very angry and is widely regarded as a bad move.
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If that happened off the east coast of Australia we'd be fucked. Pure and simple.
Our hospitals can't cope on a normal day let alone this. NO decent infrastructure away from the coast, and everything centralised in the big cities
means we would be a third world nation if a big disaster like this hit us.
But I agree, no oil to be found in any of these poor countries so really no point in the USA getting too concerned.
But let's not forget the 3000 who died on September 11.
Or on an even sourer note, let's not forget the "six million" (supposedly) jews who died in WW2. They will never let us forget that.
But remember when it was trendy to look after starving african nations?
What happened there, are they all fed now or are they not flavour of the month anymore??
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Approx 400 years ago a tsunami hit the South Eastern Shore of Australia.. Experts have agreed that the wave height must have exceeded 140 metres!
One tool used to calculate was the force required to carry rocks the size of small cars several kilometres inland.. These rocks have been found 40
kilometres into the greater Sydney basin..
140 metres high!! Just imagine it
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Tell me?
So tell me people who seem to be outraged at responses from various areas of Australia.
Which Government is paying for which fireworks? as in what State or local Govt? who is repsonding with aid money? aside from the Federal Govt? (who
has also sent over more personnel than the TV would like you to know).
How shi**y would you be if it was revealed that after speding their (lets estimate) $2.5 million on fireworks for Sydney, hat the Govt decided not to
hold the celebrations, but still had to pay for it (and I bet they would do to a small thing call contractual obligations - and no the other party
would not back down because they have to pay their staff who need to do this thing called - Eat!).
Want to guess how expensive this has been already for (at least some members of) the ADF? See the guy in this picture? thats a good mate of mine, is
he in harms way, maybe not. I he at home with his wife (who he has not actually lived with in the same city for the last year), No, is he at home
relaxing with his three kids? NO, is he getting ready for his next job as he has just handed in his resignation from the RAAF, No.
Any idea how many aircraft and bits of kit have already gone over there? any idea how many people have been off leave for a few days already and how
many more will be coming back now?
Got any idea how much is being contributed by the EU? (and that includes England), by Canada? by Australia? no. not after you look it up on the net,
try now, off the top of your heads! No, wonder why? because the news programs don't tell you that. It doesn't 'sell'.
Bet you are safe at home doing what you want to do. Why aren't you out in the streets protesting about the 'slow' govt response? weather too hot?
why not make a few water purification units and mail them over? what? too hard to do. But the plans are on the net somewhere I bet, so why not?
Why not go back to work now? cancel the remainder of the holidays, go on, that way you could contrbute your pay to them.
Yes I am a lot dissappoitned at the US, but thats their business, not ours. Are you an American? or are you Australian, did we vote in their last
elections? Not the last time I looked.
Before you say that we (Aust) as a developed country should be doing more. Look at what we have and are doing. Count it all, not just the money side
of it, and thats one of the reasons I dislike QANTAS at these times.
I don't even want to guess how much they charge the Govt for flying a jet into Phuket or places like that for 'disaster or refugee relief'. It aint
free. As for Virgin Blue, not sure yet, but I am trying to find out if they did contribute the flight, or if they charged like wounded bulls as well.
I know they are all entitled to, they are businesses, but you never hear of that outisde, only that the Govt should have put on more flights. Look at
all the people who have been brought back from their Xmas leave, and what they are doing.
What else do you want? we cannot go where we are not invited, its called invasion or illegal entry if we do. You think that everyone would just open
their borders and let people in? have you seen passports in hands of relief workers (Yes).
People, think about it.
Just committing people isn't enough, and too many in one hit is as bad as not enough. Too much money in one hit also leads to stealing (want to bet
that the thieves of the world are feeling sorry for all these people?). Thats why a lot of Govts around the world contribute goods, like water
purification units etc. That way they at least have some moral good feeling of it going where it is meant to.
Thats my 2cents.
PS (added afterwards)
If you are so ashamed at the way things happen after events such as this, what have you done about it? run for Government? instigated a drive? given
up your life savings?? or just sat back and had a whinge here on a forum?
if you are not prepared to stand up or act on something that you say you believe in, why bother even mentioning anything in the first place.
Yes, I am annoyed at this. Yes I am expecting to be recalled to work. Am I upset at the recall, no, am I upset at the crap way that other people are
viewing this, yes.
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Sorry but I just have to have my say......
Don't forget - these fireworks/NYE celebrations create an entire's night entertainment for lots of ppl/families - whoever. I don't just think
it's "15 minutes". I know that it's a seems an inapropriate time to be celebrating - or an unfortunate time (to say the least), however on the
other hand - there does need to be some joy for those that wish to celebrate/forget/remember - whatever the reason.
I feel awful about what happened - I can't watch the news anymore as it brings me to tears - but one night away from it may be what the world needs
right now (and I don't mean any disrespect to those that cannot get away from it). It's one night that I think those that wish to celebrate are
entitled to.
Would be interested to know - those that think the new years eve celebrations/fireworks should be cancelled - or are a waste of $$ for 15 minutes -
what are you up to tomorrow night??
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I will be in Kirribilli with another forum goer watching them from the best vantage point in Sydney.
Why not?, I helped pay for them.
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Well - gotta respond Sax...
Why not indeed - as per my previous post I have no probelm with anyone wanting to celebrate this NYE - in fact I think it would be wrong to cancel
celebrations - but it is interesting in light of the fact that you started this thread - including your comment below (sorry i can't work out the
"quote" box thingy)........
"It's Ok to feel all warm & fuzzy after giving your credit card number to a charity call centre, but to really respect the dead all NYE
celebrations should be cancelled and the money given to charity"
"No, lets party on and clear our conscience with a donation or two"......
What does that comment mean?? Were you referring to the "powers that be" only - or were you referring to everyone in general?
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Well - gotta respond Sax...
Why not indeed - as per my previous post I have no probelm with anyone wanting to celebrate this NYE - in fact I think it would be wrong to cancel
celebrations - but it is interesting in light of the fact that you started this thread - including your comment below (sorry i can't work out the
"quote" box thingy)........
"It's Ok to feel all warm & fuzzy after giving your credit card number to a charity call centre, but to really respect the dead all NYE
celebrations should be cancelled and the money given to charity"
"No, lets party on and clear our conscience with a donation or two"......
What does that comment mean?? Were you referring to the "powers that be" only - or were you referring to everyone in general?
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Brisbane has just announced that they are cancelling thier fireworks celebration and donating the money to the disarter victims.
some people are like slinky's
they have no useful purpose
but they are fun to watch
when you push them down the stairs
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