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 Chewy
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| posted on January 22nd, 2005 at 02:09 PM |
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Do I need a moisture trap to spray paint? and 2-pac safety?
Hey all
just need to know if Im gonna have to buy a moisture trap to paint my chassis?
I'm using a heavy duty, 2-pac industrial protective
coating called barmastic.
Can I get away with not running a moisture trap in the line?
Also, what safety precautions should I be using with the 2-pac?
And generally how much thinners should I be using?
Sorry, I'm a bit of a newb to this painting business..
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| posted on January 22nd, 2005 at 02:38 PM |
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I'm not a spray painter but My Son is, and He has a water trap fitted to his compressor and it does fill with water and has to be emptied every now
& then....
The air sucked into the compressor tank has moisture in it...
2 Pac... is fairly dangerous.... make sure You use a top of the line face mask & filters.... thats all i know....
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| posted on January 22nd, 2005 at 02:58 PM |
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Is it the fumes or the paint particles that make 2-pac dangerous?
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| posted on January 22nd, 2005 at 07:16 PM |
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both mate, 2-pac paints contain isocyanide which is nasty nasty stuff if breathed in .... make sure you use a good face mask and try not to get to
much on yourself.... in small doses it should not be to harmfull but its not worth the risk... i am a painter by trade and have a friend who suffers
from isocyanide poisioning and trust me its shitty to the max..... i always wear latex gloves when mixing the paints and when spray larger areas air
fed masks with full protective suits.
you will also need a water trap as all compressers will put small amounts of water into the air lines..... it should be just after the compresser
for best affect. U can also get ones that work as a secondry water trap that go inline with you spray gun. no where near as good as the proper ones
and only give a small amout of protection but every bit helps...
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| posted on January 22nd, 2005 at 07:37 PM |
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My Son will only use 2 pac in a proper spray booth....
I believe its one of the main reasons so many painters leave the profession and do something else....
Lee
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| posted on January 22nd, 2005 at 08:10 PM |
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dont tell me that 
Do all 2-pack paints have isocyanide in them? There is no mention of it on the packaging.
The stuff I am using has a "Pack A" which contains the actual paint and a "Pack B" Which has the hardener in it.
What are the symptoms of isocyanide poisoning?
thanks heaps
Chewy
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| posted on January 22nd, 2005 at 08:59 PM |
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One of the symptoms is death.....Make sure you use the correct epoxy reducer with the Barmastic or it will go "funny". Not all 2pac paints have
isocyanide in them but always use the correct PPE.
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| posted on January 22nd, 2005 at 09:01 PM |
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you can buy ones that specify that they dont contain it 
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| posted on January 22nd, 2005 at 09:10 PM |
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Well my reasoning is if they dont specify it on the label then it probably doesnt contain it.
I've read up all the MSDS sheets on Isocyanate and Isocyanate and it sounds pretty nasty.
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| posted on January 22nd, 2005 at 09:11 PM |
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And yes Mick I have the correct thinner
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| posted on January 22nd, 2005 at 09:28 PM |
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I would play it safe and assume it contains some bad stuff. They are not required to list what is in it on the label as it is a "chemical" intended
for industrial use only and the warnings on the tin (avoid vapours and skin contact) suggest to me that it would not be part of a well balanced diet!!
Just play it safe and wear your thongs upside down.:thumb
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| posted on January 23rd, 2005 at 09:04 PM |
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Dubcrazy: re putting the moisture trap just after the compresser, I always thought it was better to have a run of hose/pipe from the compresser to the
trpa to allow the air to cool and therfore more vapour will condensate.
What do you think?
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| posted on January 25th, 2005 at 09:59 AM |
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I painted my bus in 2pac, first 2pac epoxy primer then 2pac Glasurit.
I sprayed it in my garage and made a spray booth out of plastic drop sheets.
Before you open the paint put on a GOOD mask and always cover yourself up.
I used a paint coverall with a hood, eye googles and gloves, the bad shit can be absorbed through your skin and eyes.
I spoke to a number of painters before I started and this was what they use,.
It is the fumes that do the damage, if you are careful you should be O.K.
If you are just doing one vehicle it wont be a problem if you do the above, if you are doing it as a job, invest in air fed breathing gear,
Cheers
Dave
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| posted on January 25th, 2005 at 09:41 PM |
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thats pretty much right murph, i have mine about 5 foot away from the compresser which is plenty enuf for the air to cool. Poeple tend to have them
so far way sometimes it stops them being affective. U need to stop the moisture before it gets down the air lines not stop it at them end.
In a perfect world you will have your main trap close (5-10 feet) from the comresser and at the and of the fed another smaller mounted oil/water
trap that you run your airline you are useing from....
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| posted on January 26th, 2005 at 02:41 PM |
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Thanks for the help people
I have a mate with an air trap so I should be sweet.
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