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 AdrianH
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| posted on April 17th, 2005 at 05:19 PM |
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FYI, Theres a guy down here running the same size engine with cast iron cylinders NA (IDA's). It is mostly track, does 150mph down the back straight
at Puke, 11s at the strip, he has had no issues with the cylinders, its been 4 or 5 years of hard running.
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| posted on April 17th, 2005 at 08:01 PM |
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Are you using cast-iron cylinders or nicasils aluminium ones? Just interested on your thoughts coz someone who speaks with authority about big bore
type4s said that they won't used anything but nicasils on motors with a bore over 96mm.
BTW, love the heads......drool....:thumb
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I have been using the cast iron cylinders to date and they have not caused me any grief as yet . The first set that I used in 1997 in the 2.5 litre
drag beetle ( 105mm ) was a second hand set that had done 4 years on the street prior . I then fitted them to my engine and although it didn't do
many miles , they were hard miles @ 7500rpm - 8600rpm . After 2 years in the drag car I then stripped and rebuilt the car into my current sports sedan
with the 2.9litre engine . You guessed it , the same barrels & pistons were used and won me the AUSTRALIAN HILLCLIMB CHAMPIONSHIP IN THE 2LITRE TO
3LITRE SPORTS SEDANS (2000) , also the NSW Hillclimb championship 2litre - 3litre sports sedans (2000 ) and many other wins before being removed in
2001 due to the engine begining to sound like a diesel when it was cold .
All of the time the engine was running without air cleaners due to being raced only . I am very impressed with the 105mm barrels and I and about to
test them to the next level , maybe they wont be suitable ? who knows ? I am about to find out the same way that I have achieved all of my current VW
knowledge , that is try it myself !!:duh
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| posted on April 17th, 2005 at 08:05 PM |
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You could rebuild three times with new irons for the cost of nickies.
Though a full set of nickies (pots and pistons) give heaps better cooling and much longer life.
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| posted on April 17th, 2005 at 09:13 PM |
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posted by HotRodMatt
Though a full set of nickies (pots and pistons) give heaps better cooling and much longer life.
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Yeah, I'm sure they do. The thing I keep thinking is, on what sort of motor, are we talking an understressed street motor or a full race motor, where
do you start to see real benefits?
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| posted on April 17th, 2005 at 09:50 PM |
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Yeah, I'm sure they do. The thing I keep thinking is, on what sort of motor, are we talking an understressed street motor or a full race motor, where
do you start to see real benefits?
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On any engine. The nickies are machined so the fins are thinner with the same surface area per fin but about 1.5 times the number of fins per inch. So
the surface area alone gives and incredible amount of cooling.
I haven't yet seen independant data but the surfaces are also reported to have far less friction, and we all are aware of the immediate free moving
benefits there.
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| posted on April 18th, 2005 at 12:09 PM |
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well if they're so good, maybe there's a machine shop in Oz that could make them up out here. That way they'd be half the price the yanks are
charging. Probably be better quality if I know the yank stuff too. What do you reckon?
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more progress tonight
stayed back at work again tonight , removed the old transmission from the oval , cleaned and painted the chassis forks and fitted the transmission
assembly . The engine has been measured ( chambers CC'd ) and compression ratio worked out to 7.5:1 . One of the barrels has been taken to the
engineers shop , where he is manufacturing the 8mm thick cylinder spacers .:jesus
first picture shows the eagle chromemoly conrods that swing on the Bernie Bergmann 82mm full circle stroker crank .
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PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)
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| posted on April 20th, 2005 at 12:14 AM |
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the cleaned and painted transmission forks . even though this will be no show car , I feel it very important to clean and check everything prior to
running the oval down the strip
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PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)
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| posted on April 20th, 2005 at 12:16 AM |
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the transmission assembly is strapped in and ready to go !!
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PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)
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| posted on April 27th, 2005 at 03:14 AM |
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Hey Wayne.
This is going to be one sweet car mate.
Its a shame that people have to bring there negative crap into the thread.
I recieved the same crap when i posted a thread about a certain Fi 2.8ltr type4 powered oval.
All had been properly engineered ,aprroved and registered too.
All i can say is i love your work wayne, And Keep the follow ups comming
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| posted on April 27th, 2005 at 03:52 AM |
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WOW. Now thats impressive. I do have to agree its a shame about negativity being bought in... what creates it, jelousy or what? Good luck with
everything. Keep as updated every step of the way. For whats its worth i have a 66 beetle running exactly that, a 1300 with a 1600 kit and yep, no
brake upgrades, Goes good, and with constant fortnightly adjustment it stops good too.
cheers buddy!
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| posted on April 27th, 2005 at 03:28 PM |
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Show us more this is what I want to see.
How the pro's build a car!
CHeers Nige
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| posted on April 27th, 2005 at 09:00 PM |
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HEY WAYNE IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY LOSS OF STRENGTH WITH SO MUCH METAL CUT OUT OF THE FIRE WALL?
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hypo-vw
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| posted on April 28th, 2005 at 11:13 PM |
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HEY WAYNE IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY LOSS OF STRENGTH WITH SO MUCH METAL CUT OUT OF THE FIRE WALL?
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an aluminium housing has been manufactured out of 3mm chequer-plate to cover in the entire section that has been cut away . The engineer visited my
shop on thursday and is very happy with the progress and is very satisfied with the additional strength supplied by the new housing .
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MORE PROGRESS TODAY
today the bodywork and repairs on the oval body were completed and the body was covered with its final coating of primmer/filler . My father , Allan ,
has been doing all of the preparation for the body for me and after applying the final guide-coat proceeded in rubbing down the oval so that I can get
it to K&D smash repairs tomorrow afternoon . Kevin at K&D will be applying the ' BLOOD ORANGE ' 2-PAK on saturday morning . Tonight I stayed
back at work again to do the final fit-up of the fibreglass front and rear bumpers with the custom made aluminium brackets and also the fibreglass
running boards . some more pics following .
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PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)
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| posted on April 28th, 2005 at 11:39 PM |
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rear view of the oval with fibreglass rear bumper and running boards .
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PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)
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| posted on April 28th, 2005 at 11:40 PM |
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front view of the oval with the fibreglass front bumper and running boards .
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FASTEST ET & SPEED WSID 2012
PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)
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| posted on April 28th, 2005 at 11:41 PM |
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view of the repaired and undercoated dash area .
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| posted on May 2nd, 2005 at 10:55 PM |
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PAINTED AND READY TO ASSEMBLE
well the oval took a quick trip to K&D smash repairs at Unanderra last friday to have the final coats of paint applied . Kevin painted the oval on
saturday morning and I had Dave (a team member) collect it today . pics follow of the oval painted . Keep up to date over the next 2 weeks as the oval
will be rapidly assembled and documented for your viewing pleasure . Linclon at Teds muffler service is expecting the oval at his shop later this week
to start the manufacture of the turbo plumbing and Kevin from South coast rotary is expecting the oval onto his dyno in just 2 weeks time .
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PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)
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| posted on May 2nd, 2005 at 10:56 PM |
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dash and interior painted
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PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)
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| posted on May 2nd, 2005 at 10:57 PM |
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rear view of the oval painted
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PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)
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| posted on May 2nd, 2005 at 10:58 PM |
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another front view of the oval painted
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| posted on May 2nd, 2005 at 11:00 PM |
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taillamp bases , popes nose , running boards , semaphore covers , glovebox lid and ashtray cover .
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PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)
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| posted on May 2nd, 2005 at 11:01 PM |
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'W' decklid in fibreglass
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Engine assembly & set-up
I ran into a minor problem today after fitting the barrel shims that had been manufactured to decompress the engine . The origional barrel shims being
used in this engine were 5mm thick , the new shims are now 8mm thick . This extra 3mm meant that when I fitted the cylinder head , the headstud did
not come all the way through the nuts . So I tried to screw the studs from the engine case to compensate but due to the type-4 headstuds being 12mm
diameter into the engine case , this just lifted the barrels from their seats . I really didn't want to change headstuds as I have had a top quality
chromemoly set manufactured previously and they have worked very well . So the decision was made to machine the cylinder head bosses where the head
washers sit onto the heads . There is ample thickness in this area and some pics following of the most recent head mods being performed .
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PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)
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head washer bosses being machined
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PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)
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| posted on May 3rd, 2005 at 11:17 AM |
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Looking forward to seeing it and hearing it.
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The piston must be hanging outta the bore at BDC a bit ? Or do those big T4 barrells have a long skirt ?
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The piston must be hanging outta the bore at BDC a bit ? Or do those big T4 barrells have a long skirt ?
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the type-4 barrels do have a much longer spigot at the bottom of the barrel than the type-1 barrels . The pistons are hanging out a fair bit , but I
think that they will stay in there . The oil ring comes level with the top of the spigot and there is approximately 35mm of spigot .
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PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)
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