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 posted on December 12th, 2005 at 12:39 PM |
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Bay window and Diesel conversions
I might be completly mad but here goes
I've got a bay window 1970 sopru camper, and would like to upgrade the engine once i get it repainted and any cancer cut out, and would like to know
if anyone has gone the Diesel road?
I currently have an R2 Diesel from a 1980's mazda E2200 that could be used as I know its history.
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| posted on December 12th, 2005 at 01:01 PM |
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cant be of much help really other than in the uk or somewhere round there running bays with diesel engines in them seems common, i read it in some vw
mag ive got, seemed like they thought it was alright too, but they have alot cooler weather aswell, also, they ran the radiator in the spot where the
normal rear lid would be, so mounted just outside the engine bay on the rear, hope this helps somehow
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| posted on December 12th, 2005 at 02:20 PM |
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there was a split Panel built in the UK a few years back with a VW TDi motor in it. It was very nice. Don't know if that helps. The only thing I can
think of with going diesel is that if you do lot's hwy travelling you'll need a very tall 4th gear to get the most out of engine.
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| posted on December 12th, 2005 at 04:32 PM |
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what sort of revs does the diesel run at? My 1600tp is running at about 4000rpm and 100kmh. if that helps with your gearbox calculations. reckon a
diesel bay would be uber cool! and it would sound great as well. |
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| posted on December 12th, 2005 at 05:18 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by lobus
what sort of revs does the diesel run at? My 1600tp is running at about 4000rpm and 100kmh. if that helps with your gearbox calculations. reckon a
diesel bay would be uber cool! and it would sound great as well.
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This is exactly why you need something like a small Euro diesel motor, they run at much higher rpms. Even a 2L GB in a bay is ~3400rpm at 100khp. Most
commercial jap diesels run out ~2-2500rpm.
Guy from Harding European has fitted a VW TDi into T3 kombi's with good success.
A diesel would be a great match for a bay, but gearing is the biggest draw back.
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| posted on December 12th, 2005 at 05:28 PM |
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gearing is the easy part, just buy taller gearing. Albins offroad gears make just about anything.
My 0.70:1 4th only cost me $350 (then add labour to fit it).
My personal opinion is that any diesel worth putting in is too expensive to buy in the first place. You just can't easily buy cheap diesel jap front
cuts yet...
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| posted on December 12th, 2005 at 05:30 PM |
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I had a TDI Caravelle in Germany a couple of years ago and it revved out to about 4k from memory. It was 1600 Oertinger (hope I spelt that right) It
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| posted on December 12th, 2005 at 05:39 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Baja Wes
gearing is the easy part, just buy taller gearing. Albins offroad gears make just about anything.
My 0.70:1 4th only cost me $350 (then add labour to fit it).
My personal opinion is that any diesel worth putting in is too expensive to buy in the first place. You just can't easily buy cheap diesel jap front
cuts yet...
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For a diesel you'd have to replace all gears, 1st and 2nd would be next to useless. Best bet is a taller diiff which I don't think is available?
Better buying a diesel that will rev to at least 4000rpm, which as you point out will be more $$.
The advantages of a diesel are there though, economy, high torque, longevity, less cooling required, stable fuel prices etc.........
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| posted on December 12th, 2005 at 05:50 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Baja Wes
My personal opinion is that any diesel worth putting in is too expensive to buy in the first place. You just can't easily buy cheap diesel jap front
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wouldn't there be plenty of rice (diesel) burning motors around wreckers in all those Mazda and Toyota 1ton vans that have punting around for years
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| posted on December 13th, 2005 at 10:27 AM |
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Current mazda diesel I have runs at 3000rpm @ 100kph not far off the ball park althou that is using a 5 speed box with pizza cutter rear tyers
(12in)
Thanks for all your replys
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| posted on December 13th, 2005 at 12:34 PM |
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Deutz and Tatra make air cool diesel motors  I doubt any would be
suitable in a kombi though.
T3 kombi's had diesel motors as an option, and 5 speed GB from ~'83 onwards. Unfortunately the gear selector moved so not an easy swap into a T2
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| posted on December 13th, 2005 at 11:28 PM |
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try this - hes a mate of mine and has been running around with this ford for a while. Mail him - I think he has a load of other links you might find
useful as hes putting together a website - tell him I sent you.
http://www.volkszone.co.uk/VZi/showthread.php?t=218431
as you can see from the thread he got a bit of grief for the ford engine.
Pug conversions are also popular over here - all cheap and available.
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| posted on December 17th, 2005 at 10:12 AM |
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he didn't start well when he bagged out aircooled motors. Although, I agree with his sentiments. Nice to see Aust isn't the only place with
anti-conversion rednecks. 
Everyone kept saying, "you should have got a VW TDi motor." No idea what it takes to do a conversion let alone how expensive any decent VW motor is
whether it be aircooled or TDi. I bet most of them are the kind with standard 1600s in bog stock beetles. All talk, no action.
sweet conversion though. just needs a turbo an it'd be tops.
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| posted on December 17th, 2005 at 06:44 PM |
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hi, there is a fella down here that has a camper with a holden rodeo motor in it. He did all the conversion himself. He has done a ripper job and he
has very little problems with it
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| posted on December 19th, 2005 at 09:16 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by matt
hi, there is a fella down here that has a camper with a holden rodeo motor in it. He did all the conversion himself. He has done a ripper job and he
has very little problems with it
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Thanks matt
any idea of a contact point for him
U2U me if possible |
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| posted on December 20th, 2005 at 12:59 AM |
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The Aircooled Hater :)
Hi,
Interesting to hear your views on gearboxes as I'm running a standard 1600 box on my ford 1800 Diesel and find it drives really well and don't
really feel the need to change the cogs though would be nice to drop the revs a bit in fourth but the cost of a rebuilt gearbox I think I'll spend
the money elsewhere first.
I did actually do a test last week of speed in each gear unfortuately no rev counter so would need to find out when rev limiter kicks in to tell you
what revs I was doing.
Ok
1st 15 mph (25kmh)
2nd 40mph (65kmh)
3rd 65mph (105kmh)
4th 90mph+ (speedo only goes up to 90) (145kmh)
Obvously I can't verify the accuracy of the speedo but have checked at 60mph with Mrs following me and was pretty spot on with her modern day
motor.
Pics of my Diesel Conversion below
http://jp.tripout.co.uk/photos/cars/vin/
I will be going Turbo over the winter to give me a little more umph.
Diesel is def the way to go in the uk for cheap motoring as you get far better MPG from a diesel engine and they go for ever... another bonus is their
pulling power up hills and they sound a bit like crappy aircooled engines
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| posted on December 20th, 2005 at 09:26 AM |
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VWKD,
so what car is the ford diesel out of? Any idea on it's normal rev range?
Not that I know what your motor is, but small diesels out of your typical Euro car will rev a lot harder than the commercial diesels we see here, not
to mention the restriction on what comes to Australia due to the poor quality fuel we have to put up with.
Hey Pete, "I bet most of them are the kind with standard 1600s in bog stock beetles. All talk, no action."
What the hell is wrong with stock
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| posted on December 20th, 2005 at 02:52 PM |
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Hey Pete, "I bet most of them are the kind with standard 1600s in bog stock beetles. All talk, no action."
What the hell is wrong with stock
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i had a almost stock 1640 in a beetle years ago and loved it. there is nothing wrong with stock.
but lets not pretend its the bees nees. They only offer a particular level of performance and economy. That's why people go for different combos from
1640 up to 2332 and non-aircooled motors. My point was that the sort of people who were bagging him on the other forum seemed to be the sort who drive
bog stock cars and never touch them but are quite happy to rave on about "real VWs" and so called "superior VW engines", and tear strips off
anyone who doesn't fit an engine with a VW serial number on it. It's automotive racism. Most of them are just small minded purists who have no idea
what they are talking about. The whole point of an engine transplant is getting an outcome that a factory supplied engine cannot deliver, but they
just don't get that.
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| posted on December 20th, 2005 at 03:02 PM |
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That must be me 
I see what you mean though. :thumb
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Most of them are just small minded purists who have no idea what they are talking about.
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| posted on December 20th, 2005 at 08:43 PM |
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It revs out at 4000 rpm I believe. |
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| posted on October 15th, 2007 at 01:57 PM |
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Dose a 2L gearbox fit in a 71 lowlight
Hi all,
Can anyone tell me if a 2l kombi gearbox fits into a 1971 (Complianced 9/70) lowlight?
Haven't lost the idea of the diesel yet |
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| posted on October 15th, 2007 at 02:38 PM |
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Fits straight in no probs, might need the 2lt startermotor as well.
The V6 lowlight camper
http://www.geocities.com/gazman_4/kombiv6.html
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| posted on October 15th, 2007 at 06:21 PM |
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are you sure you won't need a big nasty (geared) starter to turn it over with, I personally can't see a 2l starter doing the trick, their not that
big, but then my subie is being turned over by a bog stocker 1800 starter. suck it and see I guess. 
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| posted on October 15th, 2007 at 08:39 PM |
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I have been out checking what is in our lowlight at the moment and its a 5 rib gearbox attached to a twin port 1600 and I've got a 3 rib spare box
for our spare single port 1600 motor
As for the starter motor I've noted that I may need up to 1.8Kw starter to get the diesel going could be interesting |
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| posted on October 15th, 2007 at 11:04 PM |
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sounds like you need a geared starter. try one of the VW shops around and see what they say. I know there are geared starters available. Other thing
is, earthing is really important. You might find (like I did) that cold the motor starts fine, but warm the starter really struggles. This is a
combination of higher compression in a hot motor and lower conductivity of hot cables. I ended up running a dedicated earth strap from the mounting
bolt of the starter to the -ve side of the battery.
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| posted on October 16th, 2007 at 07:43 AM |
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Hey Jerry, you might like to check out some of the "dirty diesels" 
on
http://www.vwkd.co.uk
JP, who posted as VWKD further up this thread set the site up just for H2O conversions in Aircooled VWs.
Along with here there's been some good stuff going on there.
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| posted on October 16th, 2007 at 01:29 PM |
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I meant that the 2lt starters have a different offset than the 1600's. We got a high torque starter from John Sherman at Volks Conversions, easily
cranks over the commodore v6. you could give him a ring
The V6 lowlight camper
http://www.geocities.com/gazman_4/kombiv6.html
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| posted on October 16th, 2007 at 01:57 PM |
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Hi
I understand the appeal of a diesel engine. What I hate about diesels is the crap all over the floor at the bowsers, you feel like you need a bath to
get clean after using one. I wont even stop at a bowser that serves diesel and petrol to fill my petrol car.
Steve
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unfortunately, diesel is the fuel equivalent of CV grease. I sticks to anything and stays there... 
however, I can hack the occasional oily hand when my 2l HDi pug gives me an easy 800km from a 60litre tank. Last week we filled up, drove from Sydney
to Forster, drove around town and such for a week, then drove back from Forster to Sydney. When the fuel light came on the trip computer still gave us
another 80km of range. All on ONE TANK OF FUEL. And this car cruises happilly on 120 eating any hill you throw at it.
As for your local servo. Tell the operator and they generally fix it up. Fuel everywhere is a risk and they don't like it either.
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At the Buses By The Bridge event I saw a fellow with a 5-cylinder Audi diesel in a baywindow. Apparently this can be done with VW parts as there is a
transmission bellhousing to mate the Audi engine with the 091. The engine fit inside the stock engine bay. IIRC, he was running stock 091
gearing.
He was running a radiator in the deck lid, but was not happy with it as it overheated in warm weather. He had three fans on the radiator (!) and
normally ran one continuously, turning on the others as the temps rose.
He was happy with his conversion and apparently runs all over Baja with it.
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