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 bus356
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| posted on December 13th, 2005 at 01:21 PM |
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kombi drivers: what's the ride quality like on a 1970 bay?
Just wondering what the ride quality of a 1970 kombi is like. I'm thinking abotu buying one but haven't driven it yet.
I've driven a few late 70s kombis and a few splitties... I love the cushioned ride of the bays. Also love the power of a 2L but unfortunately this
one's a 1600 (manual)...
So is a 1970 bay (i'm pretty sure it's all stock) drive like a direct cross between a late bay an a splitty? Or is it more like one or the other?
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| posted on December 13th, 2005 at 01:32 PM |
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from what i have read pretty much indistinguishable from a late bay. maybe slightly softer brakes and suspension (tiny amount) but the underpinnings
are close enough to identical.
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| posted on December 13th, 2005 at 02:25 PM |
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Cheers kid. Sounds good. The bloke says the brakes have recently been redone so hopefully they will be ok... were they discs or drums??
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| posted on December 13th, 2005 at 02:42 PM |
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70 should have been front disks i think. just maybe a slightly thinner disk or smaller booster then the late ones (cant remember). just checked my
book, disks supposedly came in in august '70 but if you have drums and want to convert it should be simple.
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| posted on December 13th, 2005 at 03:40 PM |
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As baybuscamperkid said, chassis, suspension etc varied little in all T2 kombi's, just minor upgrades on bearings, shocks etc as they progressed
(though the width of the beam increased early on).
Brakes did undergo a number of big changes from ~'69-'72 as they progressed from drums to discs. There were many variations during those years.
All brake systems worked well, but obviously some of the less common brake systems are a little harder to get parts for.
Even though I have a 2L kombi, don't be upset it's "only" a 1600. They do hold their own and are much cheaper to re-build/replace if need be.
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| posted on December 13th, 2005 at 03:48 PM |
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I have a 71 kombi with a 1600.. Also have a 72 microbus.. Both have great ride and handling.. Also, don't be put off by the 1600.. It is a great
honest and hard working plant..
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| posted on December 13th, 2005 at 04:40 PM |
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Mine is 71 with front power boosted front discs. They are fantastic, it stops as good as my 1990 T3. The 1600 is a good motor that will work it's
little heart out all day and night. I keep thinking of doing some mods to make it more powerfull but alwways talk myself out of it after I drive it
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| posted on December 14th, 2005 at 09:11 AM |
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What those two just said. ditto 71 bay, more depends what condition the brakes and suspension are in.
mine were pretty knackered and still fines, stopping was a bit hairy
WANTED kombi drivers side rear corner for a early bay! found after six years lol
WANTED engine lid for early kombi 71
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| posted on December 14th, 2005 at 09:16 AM |
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I found when we put 16" wheels with low profile tyres and then some new shocks, the handling and braking improved noticeably.
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| posted on December 14th, 2005 at 10:57 AM |
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Great, thanks for the info guys, it sounds like it will suit my pruposes. I'm coming up against strong opposition from the mother and the missus
because they convinced me to sell my splitty because it was eating all my money! But I've realised I can't live without a kombi!
From what you've all said I'm pretty keen, it sounds pretty good so if I get it I'll post some pics.
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| posted on December 14th, 2005 at 11:56 AM |
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70 is a good reliable bus. plus you can upgrade that 1600 to give it some real kick. i know kom123 runs a 1776 in his early bay and its a rocket...
and a bloke running a lightened flywheel and twin dellortos on his gets up to 140 km/hr.
so dont worry about power, they can be fixed... just make sure its a good example rust wise and you'll be sweet.
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| posted on December 14th, 2005 at 08:26 PM |
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Mmmm...'70 Bay :thumb
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| posted on December 14th, 2005 at 10:22 PM |
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lowered? corner well, but have the turning circle of the Bizmark. Stock? noice but can be floaty ... steering boxes matter, make sure you take it on a
run to see how it wanders....with sways they are nicer on less maintained roads...
1600 can be frustrating on a long trip, but pick up well. 2.0s, better cruising speeds for less fuss, but not economical in traffic.
Depends what you want, what you will spend and what you will use it for really, a decent shop should be able to set it up to suit the k's you will
do, that's the good thing about Bays, very flexible. The bad thing is that there is a mile of difference between one and another. Some just feel
tight and ride well, others seem vague and need more of your attention.
Just drive some, you'll see what I mean ... personally I like 2.0ltres and low lights, but that's me...others like later ones....you'll get into
it....good luck.
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| posted on December 14th, 2005 at 10:24 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by lobus
Mine is 71 with front power boosted front discs. They are fantastic, it stops as good as my 1990 T3. The 1600 is a good motor that will work it's
little heart out all day and night. I keep thinking of doing some mods to make it more powerfull but alwways talk myself out of it after I drive it
again.
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Hey, can I get those on my 91 T3, cause those self adjusting brakes suck. lol. My bay too is front boosted and stops as good as out 02 Sube.
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| posted on December 15th, 2005 at 10:35 AM |
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Go for it my boy.
Brakes "should" be front disc, vacuum assisted, but I stripped a 69 once that was drum all round.
As has been said, a 1600 aint real quick, but they're f#cken near bullet proof. Not to mention parts are a hell of a lot cheaper & easier to come by
than the 2L gear.
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
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| posted on December 15th, 2005 at 11:03 AM |
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I LOVE YOUR BAY.. DID YOU SIT BEHIND ME ON SOUTHERN CROSS DR A WEEK OR TWO AGO???
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| posted on December 15th, 2005 at 10:28 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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I LOVE YOUR BAY.. DID YOU SIT BEHIND ME ON SOUTHERN CROSS DR A WEEK OR TWO AGO???
Quite possibly, been travelling a fair bit over Sydney of late. If it looked like I was day dreaming it probably was me!!
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| posted on December 15th, 2005 at 10:32 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Spook
Go for it my boy.
Brakes "should" be front disc, vacuum assisted, but I stripped a 69 once that was drum all round.
As has been said, a 1600 aint real quick, but they're f#cken near bullet proof. Not to mention parts are a hell of a lot cheaper & easier to come by
than the 2L gear.
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I don't think discs were available until 1970 and power boosted in 71.
Not sure though
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| posted on December 16th, 2005 at 08:15 AM |
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You could be right, that's why I said "should".
Fact is I don't think I've stripped two identical early bays yet. There would always be one or two minor differences.
Seemed to be a lot of trial & error with them.
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
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| posted on December 16th, 2005 at 08:24 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Spook
You could be right, that's why I said "should".
Fact is I don't think I've stripped two identical early bays yet. There would always be one or two minor differences.
Seemed to be a lot of trial & error with them.
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That is pretty much the story with VW all along wasn't/ isn't it.
Constant development instead of the big "face lift" as in american and pommy P.O.S.
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| posted on December 17th, 2005 at 10:51 AM |
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So, you mean they didn't do it just to piss me off ??
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
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| posted on December 17th, 2005 at 12:19 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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So, you mean they didn't do it just to piss me off ??
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