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 posted on January 3rd, 2006 at 02:48 PM |
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air cooled oil
hi i was just wondering if any knows if i can use the special Air Cooled Oil that gets used in Quad Bikes for my VW any help
would be great !!!!!!
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| posted on January 3rd, 2006 at 02:56 PM |
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ace30 seems to be the thing that was being pushed for use in vw's recently, other than that just a good high quality oil, perosnally i previously
used shell, but now im converted to penrite, it just seems to stick to everything and work better than the shell...
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| posted on January 3rd, 2006 at 03:02 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by gal_loves_country
hi i was just wondering if any knows if i can use the special Air Cooled Oil that gets used in Quad Bikes for my VW any help
would be great !!!!!!
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What brand is the oil?
What specifications or numbers are on the container?
The numbers may look something like 25w-40 or similar.
Any other info on the container? Synthetic? Friction modified?
This will certainly help to answer your question.
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| posted on January 3rd, 2006 at 04:19 PM |
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the shell oil has be special fomulated for running air cooled Quads in high temptures at low speeds i think its a minerial base still and has a 50
rating 
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| posted on January 3rd, 2006 at 04:39 PM |
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Any oil is better than not enough!
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posted by westi
That's mad Alan.
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| posted on January 3rd, 2006 at 05:35 PM |
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before you go down that very dangerous path ,,,whats wrong with normal 20w 50 mineral oil thats the standard nowdays.. i know this will start a
shitfight but even the cheap no name discount chainstore oils will exceed the requirements of the standard engine they are all sf/sg ..if you are
running hot find out why dont put a bandaid over the problem:beer:beer:beer
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| posted on January 3rd, 2006 at 06:09 PM |
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Last year (2005) I'd experimented with 4 different oils in my 2 litre Kombi, and oils ain't oils.
Three oils were rated 20w-60 and the other 25w-60 (I have hydraulic lifters), with two brands specifically for aircooled. Although I still have some
more comparisons to run, two of the oils caused the Kombi to run hotter (5º-10º) and one oil did not give me satisfactory oil pressure (10 psi on
the freeway is not conducive to comfortable driving). The oil I have now gives me good operating temp, even on 45º days, and solid pressure (25-40
psi highway).
I now plan to run an external oil cooler with thermo fans, which will make my Kombi oil and air cooled - a better option in Qld.
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| posted on January 3rd, 2006 at 06:24 PM |
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what oil was that, that you settled on?
Simply Cruzin'...
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| posted on January 3rd, 2006 at 07:49 PM |
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Hehehehehehehe I think Ill stay out of this one LOL
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Im not a complete idiot, quite a few parts are missing....
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| posted on January 3rd, 2006 at 07:52 PM |
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At the moment, Penrite HPR 30, but I'm just about to try Fuchs Oil, a company producing oil specifically for Volkswagen vehicles, old and new.
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| posted on January 3rd, 2006 at 08:48 PM |
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very interestink
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| posted on January 4th, 2006 at 08:27 AM |
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Consider this --vw called for a oil with an - ms - rating.
oils with an ms rating are the equivalent of - sc- rated oils
sc (the equavalent of) ms oils were the first "detergent" oils and released in 1964
since that time there have been a number of upgrades to the additive package until around 1993 when - sh - oils were released
so when you go to the supermarket and buy the cheapo oil which is -sg- rated (released in 1989)you are still years ahead of what is actually required
for safe operation of a standard engine
there will be a lot of people who will talk about out of spec additive packages however if the oil is -sg -then it must comply with those specs
far more important than oil type is the correct oil change interval and the close inspection of the cooling system as a whole
while i dont advocate everybody change to a no name oil tomorrow ,you dont need to spend a fortune on name brands to get a level of protection above
that which is required
the next question is -yep i use a no name oil in 3 of my cars with standard or near std engines and i had the misfortune to have to pull one apart
after 8k to fix a cracked oil pump pick up and it was as clean as new and no wear visible or measureable on the cam ,lifters or bearings
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| posted on January 4th, 2006 at 09:45 AM |
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just thought id ask about the Quad Bike oil as they are Air cooled engines as well just thought i could use it , but i guess ill stick to the normal
oil and try out some of the ones everyones recomened Many thanks to everyone who helped
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| posted on January 4th, 2006 at 12:13 PM |
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hey craig, your running the same oil as me! i must be doing something right for it then, let us know if you find soemthing better.
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| posted on January 4th, 2006 at 03:46 PM |
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I don't know abour right?!
You know how it is...you hear a lot of different comments about products, and it becomes a quandary which way you should go. I visit all the
Volkswagen shops nationwide each quarter, and they're all doing something different, recommending lots of products, and giving heaps of good advice.
Unfortunately, I've only got one car to test them all on, so I have to draw the line somewhere.
For me, and in my position, the best solution is to test a range of products and find the one that best suits my circumstances. This is not to say it
is better than the other alternatives, but it works for me. I tow a thin line when I give a recommendation, and it usually can be a close call which
thing to use. Thankfully, the Australian Volkswagen business community as a whole generally start you off in the right direction, which makes your
future, final choice much easier and more successful.
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| posted on January 5th, 2006 at 08:21 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Hehehehehehehe I think Ill stay out of this one LOL
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..yeah... me too!
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| posted on January 5th, 2006 at 02:52 PM |
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I now plan to run an external oil cooler with thermo fans, which will make my Kombi oil and air cooled
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I'm thinking of doing the same to mine while I rebuild it. Do you have plans yet about how to fit an external cooler and thermo fans?
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| posted on January 5th, 2006 at 05:39 PM |
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I've had to put a lot of thought behind this, as I'm also installing air.
On the double cab there is a space between the engine and fuel tank above the gearbox. This appears to be an ideal space to sit an oil cooler - there
is room for the cooler, fans, ducting and electrics. I still have some measuring and practice fits to do yet, and the plumbing has to look neat before
I commit, but the theory seems sound (heard that before?). I've seen it done on a single cab, but there was better access to bolt it altogether.
Before I do this I'm cutting in an engine bay inspection hatch from a Bay van to give me better access to the engine and surrounds. A mate of mine
has just done this and working on the engine is now a breeze.
It's all good fun.
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| posted on January 6th, 2006 at 08:01 AM |
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Sounds good. Will you post pics of your final setup when it's done?
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| posted on January 6th, 2006 at 03:28 PM |
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I used to run penrite Desiel (not sure on the grade now though i think it was about 20w50) it made is simple for 2 beeltes and a desiel pajero. The
beetle used to run nice and cool (sometimes to cool), used to buy about 60L at a times. But now with the bike, and golf, the list of oils is getting
longer......
I have no sympathy for my car, only the wallet that pays for it!
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| posted on January 6th, 2006 at 07:07 PM |
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ive been running penrite 30 for the last 10+ years on all that i have owned and have not had any probs..
as they say..
aint broke, dont fix it..
my 2.8c anyhow..
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