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| posted on May 7th, 2006 at 02:03 PM |
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Maths Experts ??
I am having trouble working on an equation. The equation is "leicesters Model for determining radiant heat flux:
Qd = 60 x (1 - exp(-I / 3000x df))
How should the equation be written when trying to determine df:
df = ??
Can anyone help?
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| posted on May 7th, 2006 at 03:54 PM |
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Qd = 60 * (1 - exp(_I/3000*df)
exp(_I/3000*df) = 1 - Qd/60
-I/3000*df = ln(1 - Qd/60)
3000*df = -I / (ln(1 - Qd/60))
df = -I / (ln(1-Qd/60) */ 3000)
I've used more parentheses than striclty necessary for clarity.
hth.
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| posted on May 7th, 2006 at 04:18 PM |
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i can count almost to 10 :duh
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| posted on May 7th, 2006 at 04:23 PM |
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 ah yes ! but how long do u cook it for ?
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| posted on May 7th, 2006 at 04:36 PM |
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Thanks Pete
I'll give it a crack when I get home
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| posted on May 7th, 2006 at 06:52 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by modulus
Qd = 60 * (1 - exp(_I/3000*df)
exp(_I/3000*df) = 1 - Qd/60
-I/3000*df = ln(1 - Qd/60)
3000*df = -I / (ln(1 - Qd/60))
df = -I / (ln(1-Qd/60) */ 3000)
I've used more parentheses than striclty necessary for clarity.
hth.
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i got the same thing!!!
go engineering maths :P
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| posted on May 7th, 2006 at 06:59 PM |
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My cats breath smells like catfood. :duh
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My dogs' breath smells of cats.
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| posted on May 8th, 2006 at 11:29 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by modulus
Qd = 60 * (1 - exp(_I/3000*df)
exp(_I/3000*df) = 1 - Qd/60
-I/3000*df = ln(1 - Qd/60)
3000*df = -I / (ln(1 - Qd/60))
df = -I / (ln(1-Qd/60) */ 3000)
I've used more parentheses than striclty necessary for clarity.
hth.
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Clarity???:o Yeah...like MUD!!:P
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My cats breath smells like catfood. :duh
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| posted on May 9th, 2006 at 09:46 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by modulus
Qd = 60 * (1 - exp(_I/3000*df)
exp(_I/3000*df) = 1 - Qd/60
-I/3000*df = ln(1 - Qd/60)
3000*df = -I / (ln(1 - Qd/60))
df = -I / (ln(1-Qd/60) */ 3000)
I've used more parentheses than striclty necessary for clarity.
hth.
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I get similar, but i reckon this is less confusing.
From third last line:
-I/3000*df = ln(1 - Qd/60) multiply both sides by 3000/-I
1/df=((3000*ln(1-Qd/60))/-I)
df=1/((3000*ln(1-Qd/60))/-I)
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| posted on May 9th, 2006 at 12:21 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Ich fahre ein Kdf ein Tag
| Quote: | Originally
posted by modulus
Qd = 60 * (1 - exp(_I/3000*df)
exp(_I/3000*df) = 1 - Qd/60
-I/3000*df = ln(1 - Qd/60)
3000*df = -I / (ln(1 - Qd/60))
df = -I / (ln(1-Qd/60) */ 3000)
I've used more parentheses than striclty necessary for clarity.
hth.
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I get similar, but i reckon this is less confusing.
From third last line:
-I/3000*df = ln(1 - Qd/60) multiply both sides by 3000/-I
1/df=((3000*ln(1-Qd/60))/-I)
df=1/((3000*ln(1-Qd/60))/-I)
Battle of the nerds , engineering maths is fun.
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Confusion is in the mind of the beholder, grasshopper.
Whilst they both give the same answer (ain't maths wonderful!), yours is in the form of:
x = 1/A/B
which to me looks like an unnecessary inverse. What's wrong with
x = B/A ?
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| posted on May 9th, 2006 at 12:30 PM |
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I bent my wookie... 
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| posted on May 9th, 2006 at 12:47 PM |
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I just admire people who "know their stuff"
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| posted on May 9th, 2006 at 01:11 PM |
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Today is Tuesday. :P
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| posted on May 9th, 2006 at 01:55 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by modulus
Confusion is in the mind of the beholder, grasshopper.
Whilst they both give the same answer (ain't maths wonderful!), yours is in the form of:
x = 1/A/B
which to me looks like an unnecessary inverse. What's wrong with
x = B/A ?
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Lol, yes but i just prefer the inverse cos it looks nicer 1/(A/B). I am fond of brackets, the more the merrier!
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| posted on May 9th, 2006 at 03:37 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by modulus
My dogs' breath smells of cats.
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My wife's husbands breath smells of pussy :o
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| posted on May 9th, 2006 at 03:58 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Ich fahre ein Kdf ein Tag
Lol, yes but i just prefer the inverse cos it looks nicer 1/(A/B). I am fond of brackets, the more the merrier!
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why don't you just write x=(A/B)^-1 to really be confusing.
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| posted on May 9th, 2006 at 04:00 PM |
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^^ and when did x come into it?? i see no x :P:P
but yeh..i love writing powers too :P
like msec^1 heheh
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| posted on May 9th, 2006 at 05:05 PM |
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HEY maths nerd you like fruit!
I got her number!
how do you like them apples?
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I'll bet all of you brainiacs can program a VCR as well!:alien
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the Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything
Cardinal 42
forty-two
Ordinal 42nd
forty-second
Factorization 2 × 3 × 7
Divisors 2, 3, 6, 7, 14, 21
Roman numeral XLII
Binary 101010
Hexadecimal 2A
IEEE Float 42.0 = 42280000 hexadecimal
Hebrew מב (Mem Bet)
Bracketed by twin primes, this composite number's factorization makes it a sphenic number, as it is the product of the first three terms of
Sylvester's sequence. It is also the third 15-gonal number, a Catalan number, a meandric number, an open meandric number. It is believed to be the
third moment of the Riemann zeta function, based partially upon evidence from quantum mechanics.
In base 10, it is a Harshad number and a self number.
It is also a perfect score on the USA Math Olympiad (USAMO) and International Mathematical Olympiad (IMO).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Answer_to_Life%2C_the_Universe%2C_and_Everyt...
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| posted on May 9th, 2006 at 05:36 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 4ThALaStTiMe
the Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything
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:thumbLaughed me butt off!!!. I love the way that a fictional sci fi series can keep boffins guessing and trying to find ways of justifying if it can
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| posted on May 9th, 2006 at 05:56 PM |
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| posted on May 9th, 2006 at 05:59 PM |
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can you google that shit?
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12Beer + EarlyMorningKebab = Trouble
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PMSL :P
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 4ThALaStTiMe
the Ultimate Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything
Cardinal 42
forty-two
Ordinal 42nd
forty-second
Factorization 2 × 3 × 7
Divisors 2, 3, 6, 7, 14, 21
Roman numeral XLII
Binary 101010
Hexadecimal 2A
IEEE Float 42.0 = 42280000 hexadecimal
Hebrew מב (Mem Bet)
Bracketed by twin primes, this composite number's factorization makes it a sphenic number, as it is the product of the first three terms of
Sylvester's sequence. It is also the third 15-gonal number, a Catalan number, a meandric number, an open meandric number. It is believed to be the
third moment of the Riemann zeta function, based partially upon evidence from quantum mechanics.
In base 10, it is a Harshad number and a self number.
It is also a perfect score on the USA Math Olympiad (USAMO) and International Mathematical Olympiad (IMO).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Answer_to_Life%2C_the_Universe%2C_and_Everyt...
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What eva happened to "seven sixes are forty two" I might not be too smart but i can pick up heavy things (say it as though you were Cletus,the slack jawed yokel):jesus
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| Quote: | Originally
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It is also a perfect score on the USA Math Olympiad (USAMO) and International Mathematical Olympiad (IMO).
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I've actually got a highest individual score trophy from a Mathematical Olympiad
why did I tell people that.... :duh
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