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Would You do this to Your New Beetle???
Would You do this to Your New Beetle???
and if so, Why???
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BBB put that Beetle in my Fasty post when everyone was guessing what I'd bought... LOL
Seems a bit extreme, but I'd love to have a ride in it! :P
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I treausure my eardrums too much. My preference would be to put it in a kombi and park the New Beetle behind it. :vader
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At least the engine is in the back where it should be!!
FAHRVERGNUGEN;
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Experienced when a car and it's driver are in mutual harmony, A unique driving experience, Pleasure, Satisfaction,
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To all the NB owners, I'm sorry if what I say offends you.
In answer to 68autobug's question...
YES!!!
The only remotely interesting thing about the NB is it's body shell. What's underneath it is lack lustre at best. It's a plastic glorified golf.
When the concept one came out I was hoping VW would finally pull there collective fingers out and build a REAL performance beetle. But no, there is
the turbo beetle, but it's not even as quick as it's relatively slow older Golf gti brother. There was a fantastic VR6 6speed AWD model, but there
were only a few hundred or so made and none of them ever made it out here. I say chop chop chop. Go rwd like the Ron Lummus. Put a freakin jet motor
in ya NB, better yet, put TWO jet motors in ya NB!
Again, sorry if I offended anyone. 
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No...but I've always got admiration for such extreme measures of pure craziness..thats insane
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Bit of info
This is a my street-legal jet car on full afterburner. The car has two
>engines: the production gasoline engine in the front driving the front
>wheels and the jet engine in the back. The idea is that you drive
>around legally on the gasoline engine and when you want to have some
>fun, you spin up the jet and get on the burner (you can start the jet
>while driving along on the gasoline engine). The car was built because
>I wanted the wildest street-legal ride possible. With this project, I
>was able to use some stuff I learned while getting my fancy engineering
>degree (I have a PhD in Mechanical Engineering from Stanford
>University) to design the car without the distraction of how other
>people have done it in the past - because no one has. I don't know how
fast the car will go and probably never will.
>The car was built to thrill me, not kill me. That doesn't stop me from
>the occasional blast on the highway though.
>
>
>The car is licensed here in California. In California, new cars have
>bi-annual smog inspections so if you modify the engine, it is likely to
>fail the inspection and you won't be able to drive it on the street.
>There are some exempt engine modifications (ex. after-cat mufflers -
>big deal) but none that will allow you to add 1350 hp to a new car.
>
>
>Car was built to look as if VW delivered the car this way. It handles
>fine and is safe. I was thinking of putting it into an import car show
>but the promoter told me that it looked too plain and recommended that
>I put some decals on it, lower it, and put on some aftermarket wheels.
>Sure kid, put on some flimsy wheels won't take a curb and don't center
>on the hubs, lower the car so the tires rub and get cut by the body
>using springs that bounce me all over the road, and advertise for
>companies that couldn't engineer themselves out of a paper bag. I
>would have thought the 14" diameter tailpipe was enough for him but I
>guess it wasn't. Response from the hot rod magazines has been slow.
>One editor told me that is because I didn't use anything they
>advertise. But the response to driving it on the street and going to
>the hot rod shows (San Francisco Custom Car Show, Grand National Show
in Pomona, and the Detroit Autorama) has been fantastic.
>This car attracts crowds better than any '32 Ford, '69 Camaro, or
>decaled Honda.
>
>
>
>The Beetle was chosen because it looks cool with the jet and it shows
it
>off well. Remember the Hurst wheelstanding Barracuda "Hemi Under
Glass"?
>Well, this is "Jet Under Glass". Air for the jet enters the car
through
>the two side windows and the sunroof. It's a little windy inside but
not
>unbearable.
>
>
>
>The production hatch release switch on the driver's door activates two
new
>latches (one on each side) and the hatch pops open just like a
production
>car. The "hatch not closed" warning light works too.
>
>
>
>Here you can see the split in the tailpipe after a particularily rude
>burner pop. All fixed and reinforced now. The heat blanket keeps the
>plastic bumper from melting when the jet is operating.
>
>
>
>The back of the gauge panel was kept open to give the car a techie
look.
>Something to talk about. The car's an engineering device, let's see
some
>engineering thingies. The aluminum panel was designed in SolidWorks
and
>cut out of billet, bead blasted, clear annodized, and then the labels
for
>the switches were milled into the front using a font matching the VW
>cluster. Little details like the holes having flat sides so the
switches
>don't spin and exactly matching the contour of the dash added time to
the
>project. Several versions were made out of styrofoam first to get the
>layout and lighting right. From the back, the panel reminds me of the
>1970s McLaren CanAm cars.
>
>
>
>The first thing I did when I got the car was to cut the hole in the
back
>for the engine. Made a fancy jig out of a tripod, a rod, and a
lawnmower
>wheel to mark out the cut and went at it with a pneumatic saw. Then
>finished it off with jeweler's files. No paint required. Didn't even
>chip. The hole was tricky because it goes through 3 layers (bumper and
two
>layers of metal) and it's a circle projected onto angled surfaces.
Just
>finding the centerline of the car wasn't trivial. Worrying what my
>neighbors would say if I ruined the back of a brand-new car made me
REAL
>careful. I believe the hole is within 2 mm.
>
>
>
>There are three gauges for the jet: %RPM, Oil Pressure, and Turbine
Inlet
>Temperature. The most important is turbine inlet temperature. If you
>exceed about 650 degrees C for very long, you damage the engine. This
is
>critical on start-up. You don't want a "hot-start". The throttle for
the
>jet engine is located next to the gear selector. It is a lever and has
>three buttons: Cool, Big-Fire, and Afterburner. "Cool" leans out the
>engine and is used to lower the turbine inlet temperature if you get a
>hot-start. To light big-fire or the afterburner, you hold a button
down
>and 1/2 second later, press the hot-streak button on the floor. Then
>things happen! Notice the kerosene level gauge in front of the gear
>selector (jet fuel is mostly kerosene) and the bud vase missing a rose.
>Where did it go?
>
>
>
>
>
>Lotsa stuff back here. The force from the jet is tied to the vehicle
>through sandwich plates inside the car bolted to contoured aluminum
billets
>that were slid into the frame rails. You can see the billet on the
left
>side with a hole in its center, welded to the plate with 4 bolts. Used
>helium as the inert gas and a lot of current to weld that chunk of
>aluminum. To return the car to its production height, adjustable
spring
>perches were used. Same spring rate, just corrected the ride height.
>Drives and handles fine. Kerosene is stored in a custom 14 gallon,
>baffled, foam-filled kevlar fuel cell in the spare tire well. Two fuel
>exits in the back: a -12 on the left side and a -10 on the right. The
-10
>goes to a shutoff, then a Barry Grant pump (one of the few hot rod
parts on
>the car), then up into the car where it sees a filter, a regulator, and
an
>electrical shutoff valve before feeding the engine. The -12 goes into
a
>shutoff, then a 1.5 hp, 11,000 rpm, 24V custom electric pump. Pump is
>magnesium and can maintain 100 psi at 550 gph. From the pump it goes
into
>the car to a filter, then a large regulator, and then to the
afterburner
>solenoid and the big-fire solenoid (to left of pump and feeding bottom
of
>tailpipe through orange covered hose). Fuel system was tested for flow
>capability. Above the big pump you can see the relocated gasoline cap
>actuator and all that black stuff on the right side is the stock fuel
>evaporative control equipment. All circuits feeding solenoids and
pumps
>have fuses, relays, kick-back diodes to minimize contact arcing, sealed
>connectors, and use automotive wires of a gauge giving a maximum of 1V
drop
>over the circuit loop.
>
>
>
>The engine is a General Electric Model T58-8F. This is a helicopter
>turboshaft engine that was converted to a jet by some internal
>modifications and a custom tailpipe. The engine spins up to 26,000 RPM
>(idle is 13,000 RPM), draws air at 11,000 CFM, and is rated at 1350 hp.
It
>weighs only 300 lbm. It grows as it warms up so the engine mounts have
to
>account for this. The mounts in the front are rubber and the back are
>sliding mounts on rubber. The structure holding the engine was
designed
>using finite element analysis and is redundant. Strong, damage
tolerant,
>and light. Second battery and fuse/relay panel on the right, halon
fire
>system and 5 gallon dry sump tank on left. 24V starter motor is in the
>nose of the engine. 700 A of current goes into that motor for 20
seconds
>during start-up. Due to heat, must limit starts to three in one hour.
Big
>screen is to avoid FOD (foreign object damage). Jet keeps sucking the
rose
>out of the bud vase on the dash!
>
>
>
>A lot of attention to details in the car. Note the aluminum block
>holding/protecting the halon gas line, pull line, harness to engine,
and
>oil pressure line. Rectangular tank under inlet screen is for various
fuel
>drains. Note temperature gauge and shutoff valve for dry sump tank. 3
>gallons of turbine oil at $25/quart (ouch!). Two-stage PPG paint
matching
>exterior of car was used inside the car. It is not easy to paint
around a
>lot of bars, etc while crouched in a car, in your dusty home garage,
>avoiding drips, and with your wife screaming that the fumes will cause
>brain damage in the kids. Especially with two-stage where you have
>multiple coats and critical drying times. Kids passed their grades so
I
>guess damage was minimal, but more importantly, the paint turned out
great!
>
>
>
>Street racing action. The other guy wimped out after a few "big-fire"
>demonstrations. What you see in the picture is about one-twentieth the
>full size of the fireball. Guy standing beside car had never seen it
run
>before and was smiling ear-to-ear throughout the show. Had I launched,
I
>would have burned him to a crisp. Well, live and learn.
>
>
>
>We get this a lot. A police officer picking at his nose while trying
to
>figure out what to charge me with. Notice the hopeful anticipation of
us
>on the right. We're rooting for him and offer suggestions but
>unfortunately, the California Department of Motor Vehicles did not
>anticipate such a vehicle so he's out of luck. Hmmm, the car has two
>engines making the car a hybrid so maybe we can drive in the commuter
lanes
>along with the Toyota Priuses.
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>
>
>
>The car was built in this garage. Paint, welding, everything except
some
>mill work. That's me standing beside the engine that is out of the car
for
>some fuel controller work. The orange line is for the afterburner.
>There's one on the other side too. Here you can make out the four rows
of
>variable inlets/stators at the front of the engine. Their angle
changes
>with engine speed and is used to avoid compressor stall. There are 11
>compressor stages and 2 turbine stages. The engine's pressure ratio is
>8.3:1. That's how you work on a jet engine. Stick it on its end.
Easy to
>store them that way too.
>
>
>
>Here's my wife's Honda Metropolitan scooter. She wants it to go faster
>than 40 mph. So I have these two little JFS 100 jet engines and I am
>thinking how to put them on the scooter. Engines are 50 lbm each so
weight
>is an issue. Will probably use air-start with a carbon fiber tank of
>compressed air. That saves weight since batteries will then not be
needed.
>
>
>
>Looks cool from the top. Will want to make aluminum housings to go
over
>the engines just like on a DC-9.
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>
>
>Bitchin' from the back too. Should get the scooter going. On one jet
>engine alone, this engine will get a kart up to 60 mph. Looks like I
have
>a lot of spare wire left over from the Beetle job to do the scooter.
>
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Ummmmmm ....... that would be a no! I would be too worried that the flames would ignite my shopping
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id have to say no i wouldnt install a jet in my new beetle but only because im far too inteligent to buy a new beetle in the first place:puke |
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mate 10/10 for your engineering capability if i did it it would probably end up shooting its way through the front of the car and burning me to a
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this sort of thing has been before in a rover p6b i think. never made production though. |
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Air for the jet enters the carthroughthe two side windows and the sunroof. It's a little windy inside but not
unbearable
puts a whole new slant on, the wind in your hair!!!
There's nothing like the wind on your head, where your hair used to be.....................
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I overhaul gas turbines for a living and there is no way you could drive that without earplugs and earmuffs with the intake that close to your head.
Only in America hey.
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SOME MORE NEW BEETLE MODS FOR YOU.....
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AND SOME MORE...
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Now thats a different Audi......:P:P:P
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I wonder if the gauze screen was added to the engine after the kids in the rear seat disappeared....:o:P:P:P
For full info on this Beetle :
Site is:- http://www.ronpatrickstuff.com
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| Quote: | Originally
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id have to say no i wouldnt install a jet in my new beetle but only because im far too inteligent to buy a new beetle in the first place:puke
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Are you implying that new beetle owners are not intellegent ?????
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msc-let it go,it's not worth the effort.
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58SPLIT - finally! a new beetle with a motor in the right end!
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