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posted on June 8th, 2006 at 11:47 AM |
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Seat belts
My '69 Fasty needs new seat belts.... but if they don't have a sticker on the back saying AS2596 (complying with Australian Standards) then I can't
use them. Where am I going to get original-style seatbelts that comply? None would have that sticker on them would they? They need to to pass Vic
roadworthy, but I can't even be sure my Beetle has the sticker even though it was RWC a year ago.
If you've bought original-style seatbelts for your classic veedub, do they have the sticker on them somewhere? If they do, where did you get them
from because I want some! Also... if you've recently bought new seatbelts and they don't have the sticker on them anywhere, did they pass VicRoads
RWC without a problem?
Apparently, if your seatbelts used to have the sticker and it has worn off, you need new belts even though they originally complied. Police can pull
you up and check (though they'd have to be a moron officer and having a crappy day to pick on something as useless as that...)
I don't know what to do now, the seatbelts I want are made in US from cip1.com and wouldn't have the sticker... even if I find seatbelts from an
Aussie VW supplier, they wouldn't probably have the sticker either... especially if they are Empi seatbelts which are made in US anyway.

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posted on June 8th, 2006 at 12:04 PM |
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Hi Laura,
New Australian made seat belts would have the registered compliance numbers... AS2596
same as New cars coming in the country should aslo have them...
I was told by a fellow who had bought an imported used Japanese car , a few years ago, that the seat belts were cut in half so they had to be
renewed... and the tyres were scrapped as they did not have Australian compliance tyres..
Thats all I can remember...
I have never heard or anyone checking those numbers in NSW...
the Mechanic doing blue & green slips locally here didn't check any of My seat belts in My Beetle..
I wouldn't be concerned Laura....
Police etc who can defect Your car etc are usually nice to people with old cars....
so long as they look in good condition....
Technically speaking... the USA seat belts would be the same as those made here...
just a number shouldn't make any difference...
I just hope there are No nasty police people reading this post....
cheers Laura
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posted on June 8th, 2006 at 12:06 PM |
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Klippan sell a large range of belts you might be able to use. Avaliable from Autobarn,Autopro,Supercheap etc
Australian Made so will meet AS2596
Quote of the week
"Do I wish to send them to you again, nope, no interest can't be bothered really, to much hassle for little or no return."

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posted on June 8th, 2006 at 12:15 PM |
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So can you get NEW Australian Made seatbelts in original-style (with VW logo clip-in-bit) from a VW Parts Supplier for OLD cars that DO have the
sticker on them? I feel bad for asking 50 million questions! :P
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posted on June 8th, 2006 at 12:17 PM |
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New Australian made seat belts would have the registered compliance numbers... AS2596
same as New cars coming in the country should aslo have them...
Technically speaking... the USA seat belts would be the same as those made here...
just a number shouldn't make any difference...
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I'd have thought it wouldn't make any difference either, but apparently it does.... 
I've found an interesting point: as a rule any car pre-'71 doesn't even have to have rear seatbelts as they weren't there at time of
manufacture... yet there is also a rule saying children must be restrained in a car. So if your car doesn't have the rear seat-belts and you get
pulled over by a copper for not having restrained children, what happens then? Keep arguing the fact your car doesn't have to have them? Or would the
children-being-restrained-rule take over? :P
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posted on June 8th, 2006 at 12:29 PM |
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You're baffling Me with Science Laura :P:P:P
Good Question....
My 68 Beetle has all the belts... original...
front & back....
I remember My Fathers 64 Beetle had all the seatbelt
mounting holes with plastic bolts in them....
We have licensed fitiings stations in NSW where You get child restraints etc fitted to Your car...
so, I think You may still have to restrain the children...
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posted on June 8th, 2006 at 12:31 PM |
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Now You have two Air Cooled Volkswagens Laura...
Is Two going to be enough??? :P:P:P:P:P
Whats the limit..??? :P:P:P
Have a good weekend....
no looking in the trading post or ebay either..:P:P:P
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posted on June 8th, 2006 at 12:38 PM |
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Hahaha, thanx Lee. Yeah I have 2 now, and that's how many I'm keeping with because 2 is my lucky number! :P
Back to the seatbelt thing, if I find some NOS seatbelts for my Fasty or suitable original-style VW ones, will they pass roadworthy without having an
AS2596 sticker? I could just say they'd been in there since the car was born....
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posted on June 8th, 2006 at 03:35 PM |
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There should be some out there somewhere Laura...
They would have Volkswagen and maybe the date on them...
There would have been standards back then I presume..
but I don't think they can make You fit new ones unless there is something wrong with them....
I'll see if mine have anything written on a tag....
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posted on June 8th, 2006 at 03:49 PM |
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I bought new Wolfsburg West seatbelts and they didn't mention anything about it during roadworthy...though I guess you could have a real picky
inspector?
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posted on June 8th, 2006 at 04:02 PM |
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....well Laura you could buy the imported ones to put in later and just buy cheap Aussie compliance ones to get roadworthy?
....just so long as you don't have to drill different holes or anything 
I put Wolsburg ones into Bel but didn't need to go for a roadworthy...I'm sure you could get away with it like Canni said? :sandrine
I'm sure others have dohne it too...
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posted on June 8th, 2006 at 04:18 PM |
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Mine don't have any tags on them at all....
One other thing, the old seat belts didn't fray like the newer ones do.....
they are made of a harder material.....
then they made them nice & soft.... but they fray very easily over the years.....
I was going to replace My original seatbelts with new retractable ones but I've decided to leave the originals in.
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posted on June 8th, 2006 at 04:59 PM |
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Laura,
Not sure if qld rules the same...and im guessing not, but prolly a little similar. Just went thru all this myself....having registered two cars in 6
months...so here goes
with seatbelts...if u have anything other than the originals, they need to be up to aust stanards. Here in qld, ur also up for an engineers to say
they meet safety standards. Reason is, apparently if ur fitting inertias, u need to change the bold hole to include additional plate for strength.
Cars pre 72 which didnt have belts in the back arent required to have them put in. but if you do, the passengers need to be wearing them...regardless
of whether or not u put them in after the rego or not.
If u put different belts in, then the changes should be notified to transport authority, and engineers noted as well (if necessary) so ur car can be
noted as road worthy, therefore being covered by ur insurance company too. If u've made the change, not notified RTA, and not obtained an engineers
(if it was necessary) than ur insurance company doesnt have to pay should you or ur passengers be inhured in an accident.
If u have children in car, they must still be restrained.
If u have no belts in back, then they travel in front using the age appropriate restaints. Such as a baby caosule in the front, using the front belt
in its appropraite way...that is...main belt restains the capsule...and baby in five point harness.
Now, the 'originals' can apparently include 'new originals' Klippan apparently make a range of 'new originals' (no VW logo) which meet aussie
standards (as i recall) so that may be ur best bet....there what im planning in longer term to place into the car...front and back. I prefer these
over the inertias...but will use inertias in Elton, as he is being used by a rev head daughter wont doesnt seem to have comcept of picking up belt
after she leaves a car...doh!
Also, wreckers technically cant sell u 2nd hand seatbelts, in case they were stretched in an accident...but I do know some of them do anyway....but
i'd consider it a bit dodgy...think of ur safety.
You might find someone on the forum has a set of front belts which they ketp after a car rusted ...not involved in an accident...which are 'old
originals' which you can use.
For Edith, thats what i did...grabbed them out of a my super which was too far rusted to be saved, and used the in Edith. Hers were inertias, but
under roadworthy would not have passed. they weren't the same brand, which stuck out like a sore thumb, and no sticker to say they meet aust
standards.
Hope this helps.
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posted on June 8th, 2006 at 05:01 PM |
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on a similar topic, are there any seatbelts available that fit the front of a type-3, since there is major clearance issues with the front panel of
the back seat, does anyone know of any (preferably retractable) that will fit?
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posted on June 8th, 2006 at 05:53 PM |
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It seems Laura that if the replacement seatbelts You have
look like the originals You should be OK....
but retractables have to be engineered....
You can buy used seat belts from cars at some wreckers
You take them from cars that haven't been crashed...
they can't take them out for You as its illegal...
they are sold as tow ropes....
Seat belt webbing is very strong, and even if from a crashed car will not break etc.... IMHO...
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posted on June 8th, 2006 at 06:39 PM |
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they are sold as tow ropes....
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wouldn't a tow rope cop way more stress?
maybe its failure of the buckles that they're worried about?
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posted on June 8th, 2006 at 07:00 PM |
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BBB, thanx so much for all your info! Must have taken a while to type that... 
I think I'll buy some original-looking ones (will look at Klippan and see what theirs are like) and hope for the best. I'd like to keep it looking
as original as possible. I'll also get some lap belts for the back, just because it doesn't seem right to not have rear seat belts!
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posted on June 8th, 2006 at 07:26 PM |
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they are sold as tow ropes....
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wouldn't a tow rope cop way more stress?
maybe its failure of the buckles that they're worried about?
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I think the belts handle anything, up to a couple of tonnes anyway...
but maybe the opposite end of the seat belts may be the weak link... ??
Where You plug them in....
Seat Belt engineers have now found another way to make You
replace Your seat belts after an accident...
the pre-tensioners...
I was told by a Mechanic its just a piece of plastic that snaps off
in an accident , and makes the seatbelt useless...
In a Major accident , it wouldn't worry You as the car would be
written off anyway....
but in a small accident.... New seat Belts....
Cars with these would have a higher insurance premium to cover them.... IMHO..
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posted on June 8th, 2006 at 08:49 PM |
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i was told years ago the reason seat belts shouldnt be used after an accident is simply that the way their woven is to have a small amount of give in
them when the pressure from a person is thrown forward...but once thats gone, and theres none left...and then pull them back.
This was before pre-tensioners.
Now todl the reason the buckle or plastics breaks is because under stress with the new ones...the pre-tensioners simply dont work well after major
stress...say a accident.
They say it just comes down to safety.
And Lee, after speaking with insurance assessors, and also working at a prestige smash repair, you realise the cost of the seatbelts are next to
nothing compared to the rest.
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Maybe its just me... but i'd throw in something legal, then swap it back to what you want once the RWC's done.
Dads changed his seatbelts about 3 times and we still use the old 60's ones with the magnetic latch that pops open if you so much as sneeze 
I figure that a seatbelt is a seatbelt and no sticker is gonna save you, no matter what arguments they use. Besides, elsewhere in the world our
seatbelts, even with their sticker, would be illegal too.
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posted on June 8th, 2006 at 10:00 PM |
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I've found an interesting point: as a rule any car pre-'71 doesn't even have to have rear seatbelts as they weren't there at time of
manufacture... yet there is also a rule saying children must be restrained in a car. So if your car doesn't have the rear seat-belts and you get
pulled over by a copper for not having restrained children, what happens then? Keep arguing the fact your car doesn't have to have them? Or would the
children-being-restrained-rule take over? :P
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my beetle dosent have any belts and my kids (16 &13) come in it with me on club runs,i wonder how that would affect me????
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posted on June 9th, 2006 at 08:42 AM |
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That's the thing... police would argue that kids need to be restrained... but you could argue that the car doesn't have to have rear seatbelts....
but then the cops would probably do you for something else just so they win anyway. :P
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posted on June 9th, 2006 at 09:46 AM |
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Laura,
Just get the belts you want. They won't even look.
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posted on June 9th, 2006 at 09:51 AM |
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yeah i agree with 64 Busser.
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posted on June 9th, 2006 at 09:57 AM |
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That's the thing... police would argue that kids need to be restrained... but you could argue that the car doesn't have to have rear seatbelts....
but then the cops would probably do you for something else just so they win anyway. :P
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Thats only the nasty Policeman Laura....:o:o
The nice policeman wouldn't even look.....:P:P
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posted on June 9th, 2006 at 09:57 AM |
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:P Thanx Brad and McFly, I think I will!
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Maybe its just me... but i'd throw in something legal, then swap it back to what you want once the RWC's done.
Dads changed his seatbelts about 3 times and we still use the old 60's ones with the magnetic latch that pops open if you so much as sneeze 
I figure that a seatbelt is a seatbelt and no sticker is gonna save you, no matter what arguments they use. Besides, elsewhere in the world our
seatbelts, even with their sticker, would be illegal too.
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Yes,
they are only legal in the country they are made for....
Japanes & European belts are only legal here if they have Our number on the tag...
Normal japanese or european ones aren't...
Well I thought seat belts were seat belts and safe....
but magnetic catches... now they are what I wouldn't have.... the belts are no good if not latched securely..
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posted on June 9th, 2006 at 11:25 AM |
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I think the nice policeman would book you for not having a restrained kid, and rightly so. I dont think there would be any arguing of any point, not
by the policeman anyway.
Klippan wont make an original size belt, they will be all black plastic, red release button type thing. I think there are a few belt colours, but
nobody will stock anything other than black, you'd have to order them in. They come in dozens of different lengths of belts ands stalks. I bought 5
different variations for my kombi.
I'd try getting it passed blindly with the non complying repros, maybe the inspectors wont look??? If it passes you win, otherwise you just have to
pay out for the two front Klippans just to get it passed and then swap them back. You'll then be able to sell the Klippans to someone else who isnt
concerned about originality.
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posted on June 9th, 2006 at 11:28 AM |
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Thanx Amazeer for your info.
I'm thinking to just go with original-style belts from a veedub supplier and see what happens.
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posted on June 9th, 2006 at 11:29 AM |
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Do they really have to have the AS sticker on them?
Or is the person you spoke to just too fat arsed and lazy to look up the equivalent overseas standard?
At least it isnt a race car, then you'd have to change your belts every 5 years.
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