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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 02:35 PM |
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a social commentary
does anyone out there find it disturbing that the tac and anti smoking campaigners bombard us with graphic images in order to deter us from making a
life choice and therefore accepting the associated risks or consequences? society or the powers that be, seem determined to stop us from doing
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 03:01 PM |
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Unfortunatly for smoking that personal "life choice" affects everybody else arround you.
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 03:20 PM |
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so they tell us |
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 03:46 PM |
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Im with MM... if you were just killing yourself with each gasper, then I'd say yeah.. fuck off the graphic adds, let the smokers do what they like...
but the fact that you are also killing others around you... to a lesser degree perhaps, but still having an effect... well, that kinda cancels out the
nandy-pandy "I live in a free country" argument. :o
I say they should keep bombarding and bombarding.... or even better, ban cigarettes in Australia outright. 
One alternative I that could be meritorious is make it illegal to smoke in public, instead having enclosed areas speciffically for lighting up in...
but this isnt going to stop those who smoke in there own homes from filling the lungs of their children with noxious gases...
You have the choice to smoke or not smoke... but others around you don't necessarily have the choice of whether or not to be poisoned every time a
smoker lights up...
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 03:55 PM |
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from working as barman i can honestly say good on them for it. smokers fill the air with dangerous chemicals with every cigarette they smoke which is
then inhaled but waiters, glassys, bartenders, gaming staff etc.
i used to work in an RSL club ( i now work in a much more ventilated beach side bar) and i would go to work from 6pm till 3 am.
i estimate in that time i had effectivly passively smoked a packet of cigarettes.
when non smoking laws come in next month i will be a very happy camper.
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 04:04 PM |
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the smoking issue aside you guys dont have any problem showing graphic images of people either about to get there foot cut off or with pins in their
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 04:07 PM |
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i have a stong stomach
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 04:15 PM |
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what Nick said... 
In my opinion... scare tactics are the best way to achieve anything when all else fails.
The warnings on packages obviously have not worked, so I'm all for em bringin out the big guns
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 04:17 PM |
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oh...same with the car crash adds... when people see greusome images of people that have beeen fucked over in a car crash, they may think twice next
time before they plant their foot that extra bit further, or before they step behind the wheel whilst intoxicated.
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 04:18 PM |
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In my opinion... scare tactics are the best way to achieve anything when all else fails.
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...just ask john coward.
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 04:20 PM |
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thats the way boys thumb in bum mind in neutral. lets use scare tactics for everything shall we? |
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 04:24 PM |
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this clearly illustrates the power of mass media on public perception.
it wasn't long ago when drink driving was a sport, now you couldn't brag about it for fear of getting mobbed.
(btw i'm not endorsing it just making a point about changing attitudes)
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 04:26 PM |
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No... as I said earlier... best way to solve the problem is to ban the sale, manufacture, and importation of cigarettes in Australia... but that
won't happen unless we have somebody with some balls like Maurice Iemmma as PM, instead of that pansy-ass bitch John Howard, so scare-tactics are the
next best thing... :o
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 04:48 PM |
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dude i have no problem with you at all im sure u are a great guy and u can smoke till the cows come home as far as i care. but while its harming
people other than yourself i do have a problem.
quote: "thats the way boys thumb in bum mind in neutral. lets use scare tactics for everything shall we?"
you did ask for opinions......
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I don't think it's scare tactics if it's true, bloke I used to work with underground died from smoking. Before he died he had both of his legs
amputated from bad circulation caused by smoking.
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I gave up the smokes when they got to a $1 a packet
smokers have made a choice to smoke but the company they keep does not, they can smoke as much as they want around like minded people in a controlled
area . i do not believe prohibition has ever been sucessful in anything. monitoring is better than denial.
unfortnately we are becoming a nanny state with more and more laws catering to the lowest common denominator. all those people that are caning the
smokers at the moment, remember them when your old.toxic spewing vehicles are copping the same flak in the future. the lynch mob mentality is alive
and well. remember the majority crusified jesus.:jesus
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 04:53 PM |
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I agree with DUBB61 prohibition does not work.
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yep and yep....
Like Anthiron saiid again...I got no prob with you guys as people... but I also have no problem with the tactics the government is using to curb
smoking...
It is downright dangerous... quite frankly, I have no problem with people smoking themselves to the grave... but when they are smoking others to the
grave, that is a different kettle of fish...
and you DID..ask for opinions
So here they are....
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And yep...this is what I was getting at before...
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posted by DUBB61
I gave up the smokes when they got to a $1 a packet
smokers have made a choice to smoke but the company they keep does not, they can smoke as much as they want around like minded people in a controlled
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But this isnt going to happen in the near futuure it would seem... so trying to curb smoking is the next best thing for existing smokers.
I believe that the government campaigns are probably more to prevent individuals taking up smoking than stop existing smoker in there tracks tho...
and I see no reason for these campaigns to cease.
Prevention is the best cure...
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Did anbody see the program about 2 weeks back on SBS about the tactics used by Cigerette companies in the third world. They smuggle cigerettes into a
country a rock bottom prices, wait for everybody to get hooked. They then go to the goverment and say "look how much exice your losing", bingo you
have a legimate buisness.
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Exactly... cigarette companies are run by crooks... always have been... so what better reason to introduce inhibition laws.
They may not work as well as they should in the short term... existing smokers may find ways to circumvent them if they are really that intent on
killing emselves... but at least the children will not have such poison readily available to them.
Also the way I see it... brandish a big enough stick and you can stop anything... so if a country introduces draconian punishments for illicit
cigarette manufacture, it is bound to cease eventually when such laws have been excercised to their full extent a few times.
The poblem is people are thinking short-term....it wont provide results overnight. That is true... it could take years or decades, but keep
brandishing a stick long enough and the culture will eventually be beaten out of society for good...
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is that why wars work is it?
thats the biggest stick and we are still killing ourselves with greater and greater efficenticy.
i wonder if the people at the end of a smart bombs journey think there that smart.:smirk
educate,monitor and control is the only option. governments make a lot of money from smokers but, they do not put every cent back into harm reduction
programs. it is a nice cash cow for them. they will not rock the boat to tip out the paying passengers.
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Its not just that smoking effects others who dont smoke, but it also costs our health system at all tax payers expense, I wouldnt mind people smoking
if i didnt have to put up with the filthy habbit and if smokers were happy to be farmed out west somewhere to die, rather than my taxes pay for
propping them up...
I dont think banning is the key but education, problem is, like many problems in our world, its the under educated that are involved, therefore doesnt
work....
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ok my problem is with the tactics used in these campaigns not the smoking or reckless driving of cars. every couple of years we hear that violent
computer games are to blame for people killing people. how is that not ok but showing the current ads in prime-time acceptable. i dont feel i should
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Tactics used by cigerette companies Vs Tactics used by Government, I know which is more moral
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Prohibition doesn't work. Graphic advertising doesn't work (although maybe on a kid thinking of starting smoking). EVERYTHING is bad for you. I
think weapon has a valid point, as do others here. I think smokers should be given a place to smoke that doesn't affect us non smokers. Get rid of
the advertising. Just make it clear what the dangers are and let them decide for themselves. You can't condemn smoking if you're holding a beer in
your hand. How many people get killed or beaten because of alcohol? Who decides what's ok and what isn't? 50 years ago it was fashionable and
socially acceptable to smoke. Try going to Paris tomorrow and telling 90% of the population not to smoke. I'm not saying smoking is ok, but I don't
think the government should be our parents and set a moral standard for us. Decide for yourself. If the pleasure of smoking outweighs the dangers FOR
YOU, then go nuts.. my 2c:party
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Exactly... cigarette companies are run by crooks... always have been... so what better reason to introduce inhibition laws.
They may not work as well as they should in the short term... existing smokers may find ways to circumvent them if they are really that intent on
killing emselves... but at least the children will not have such poison readily available to them.
Also the way I see it... brandish a big enough stick and you can stop anything... so if a country introduces draconian punishments for illicit
cigarette manufacture, it is bound to cease eventually when such laws have been excercised to their full extent a few times.
The poblem is people are thinking short-term....it wont provide results overnight. That is true... it could take years or decades, but keep
brandishing a stick long enough and the culture will eventually be beaten out of society for good...
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i think a much more effective measure would be to target the health consequences of smoking. smokers get a reduced medicare rebate when going to the
doctor and a lower priority for elective surgery over a non-smoker (mandatory testing for nicotine should eliminate the liars) this would focus the
health issues of choosing to smoke. my 3c worth
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the only problem in our culture at the moment is that everyone is so damn selfish they won't spend 3seconds to consider whether or not they are, in
fact, being an arsehole.
ads or no ads... people will still be selfish, thats what the big companies cash in on.
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That stuff they show on TV is 100% tru mind you.
Will never forget the excursion i had with my science extension class to the anatomy labs and the morgues. Saw a disected lung in a jar, across from
the human leg and the bottle of brains. Said to be from a smoker, and it looked absolutely filthy. You can see the black crap all in it and
everything.
:party Each to their own though, it just shits me off when i have to cop with the smokers smoke at train stations and the city. Especially when i
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