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| posted on February 15th, 2007 at 09:59 PM |
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Originally posted by VWCOOL
The 'upright tail light' Ladas used a Haltech
Won't the Delco ECU (FamilyII-powered Pulsar/Camira) crank-fire, like V6 Commodore?
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The 'upright tail light' Ladas may have indeed used a Haltech, so I will leave it up to yourselves to interpret the following email....
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Hi Colin, sorry about slow reply
If you dont have a distributor, then the only really successful way is to add a GM 4 cyl coilpak
These are the same as found on the 1.7L TBI Lada Niva of all things.
In USA Chev of course use them on most of their 4 cyls and I import used ones in
Theyt are $300 and you need to fabricate a crank trigger to suit
I have diagram of this
Lada actually notch the bottom pulley
If this system interests you then let me know
It will end up better than any other
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Alan Gibbs
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| posted on February 15th, 2007 at 11:19 PM |
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Guys
I really think you should take a serious look at Gotech. They are VW specialists in South Africa. (connected with Volkspares in Jo'burg) I put one on
my Type 4 Spyder. They have start up maps for most VW engines and give great support by email and phone. i have no connection with them just that I
had a good experience and it works great. It is easy to map and adjust and is set up to use readily available sensors. I believe it will support twin
plugs as well. I have the lowest spec version MFI but the MFI Pro has greater capability. For around $400 you cant go wrong!
Ken
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| posted on February 16th, 2007 at 06:31 AM |
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Too late Judson, you can stop the hard sell now.
I've gone Link G3, for the reasons mentioned above.
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| posted on February 16th, 2007 at 09:49 AM |
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Astro
I have no association with Gotech and sure you have made your choice on what ECU to use and that is fine. Looking at the Link site it is apperas
equally as capable as the Gotech. But this is a forum open to all members and having had good experience with a Gotech EFI which in my opinion is the
cheapest new ECU available on the market and is user friendly and has good support I am am just sharing this information with all Aussieveedubbers. My
EFI set up cost me less than $1000 all up. ECU, injectors, throttle bodies, sensors - the lot!
By the way I like your Mexican fuel rails and manifolds. Who supplied them ?
Regards
Ken
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| posted on February 16th, 2007 at 10:26 AM |
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Aldo Alfonso Quiroga Valdez, Mehico. He has all the late-model beetle EFI stuff.
aldo.quiroga@gmail.com
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| posted on February 16th, 2007 at 11:40 AM |
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Big choice of ECUs - haltech, Motec, Link, Gotech, Megasquirt, Kalmaker/Delco... what else is there?
Yeah those Mexico manifolds look good
Astro, did your 'kit' include those injectors?
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| posted on February 16th, 2007 at 01:14 PM |
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No,
they are the Camira ones.
ATM they are not a snug fit, but with a nitro-rubber (fuel resistant) O-ring they will be perfect.
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| posted on February 16th, 2007 at 01:49 PM |
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No,
they are the Camira ones.
ATM they are not a snug fit, but with a nitro-rubber (fuel resistant) O-ring they will be perfect.
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Okay - the same ones I have. Cheers!
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| posted on February 24th, 2007 at 05:37 AM |
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Crank pulley and trigger wheel turned up yesterday
60-2 trigger wheel
new sensor and bracket
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| posted on February 24th, 2007 at 06:16 AM |
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Spiffy.
Is that the electromotive one?
And you can keep your dual spark deal?
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That's mad Alan.
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| posted on February 24th, 2007 at 07:49 AM |
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That's it Dave.
The Dyno guy at Port Macquarie said he had recently done an EMS conversion on a twin spark 911. The owner made his own trigger wheel, also a 60-2 I
think.
My fabrication skills are 0, so I thought it was best to get a unit, complete. I also get a std size pulley as the one on the engine at the moment is
slightly smaller (off a type III or something).
When setting up the Link ECU I just select "60-2" in the drop-down menu for trigger input and bingo.
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| posted on February 24th, 2007 at 09:02 AM |
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Can you trigger off the flywheel ?
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| posted on February 24th, 2007 at 08:50 PM |
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Yeah mate, you could. But you would need to create a reference point (such as a missing tooth).
Not sure if the ECU could be configured to understand, for example, 130-2 tooth (or however many teeth a flywheel has).
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| posted on February 26th, 2007 at 11:04 AM |
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Alternatively, depending on your sensor, you can drill holes in the flywheel in the required pattern. The holes should not need to go right through.
The holes substitute for the gaps between the teeth of the trigger wheel.
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| posted on February 28th, 2007 at 09:42 PM |
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Alternatively, depending on your sensor, you can drill holes in the flywheel in the required pattern. The holes should not need to go right through.
The holes substitute for the gaps between the teeth of the trigger wheel.
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This is exactly what I had planned to eventually do with my set-up - but first I am going to set up up to trigger from the pully end for ease of
removal/replacement/repair (basically, until I know that I have it correct )
Astro, that toothed wheel looks fantastic, very flashy!
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| posted on April 12th, 2007 at 12:47 PM |
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I am running mine off my flywheel, too much lash in the cam/distributer gearing,
T54
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| posted on June 4th, 2007 at 01:14 PM |
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It was getting a bit embarrasing watching all the progress on the other projects so I thought I'd better pull the finger out.
Got some gromets and rubber mounts from the local auto shop and fitted the ECU and loom.
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| posted on June 4th, 2007 at 06:09 PM |
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:thumb.....goodo Steve,
i've suddenly become very interested in how the tuning of that "link" goes
Malcom has been turning work over quickly during the past couple of weeks, i keep waiting for progress on that motor sitting in the back
corner.........get amongst it:thumb
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| posted on June 4th, 2007 at 06:55 PM |
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So that trigger wheel with the missing teeth is the reluctor type > yeh ?
that sender has only 2 wires I would think
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| posted on June 5th, 2007 at 09:25 AM |
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Jak,
The magnetic (reluctor?) sensor has 3 wires. I'm no sparky so I don't know which is which. :duh
It came with the wheel, and the ECU has been configured to read it. That's all I know.
Daimo,
I should go and see Malcolm today to see if the tank has been finished. Neither of them are game to touch it with the welder.
BOOM
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| posted on June 7th, 2007 at 02:17 PM |
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you seem to be spending a bit of $$$$$$$$$
So are you going to just put the old camira stuff on or are u getting the injector testd and cleaned???
Injectors supplier
http://www.aznew.com.au/main.asp
and are you going to use that old fuel pump??
I think you can stiill buy the correct hose for fuel pump from holden still . the one that fitts on the big end and goes onto a normal fuel pipe.
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So are you going to just put the old camira stuff on or are u getting the injector testd and cleaned???
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Cleaned and tested by EFI workshop.
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and are you going to use that old fuel pump??
I think you can stiill buy the correct hose for fuel pump from holden still . the one that fitts on the big end and goes onto a normal fuel pipe.
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Yep, the one shown in the pics.
I have a box of new EFI hose to go from pump, through tunnel, to fuel rails and reg.
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| posted on June 7th, 2007 at 03:07 PM |
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thats good it seemed like a lot of work going into efi system .i didnt really think you would go to all that trouble just to use old camira stuff.i
was just talking to stan about a five minute question that took 45 minutes to get the anwser:P:P
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| posted on June 7th, 2007 at 03:11 PM |
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And Ruth was probably in the background telling him to get back to work.
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| posted on July 26th, 2007 at 11:45 AM |
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You've had me doing a bit of investigating in regards to this whole camira EFI system. Reason being I have a E6GM Haltech ECU, which is the plug in
computer for the Camira JD and JE. I actually had it for FJ panel van Im putting a VN series II engine in.
I can get my hands on a complete Lada Niva TBI 1.7L EFI kit from the wreckers for $550. The Lada is similar or the same as the Camira JD in that it
has the single point injection. But I want a performance ignition and 4 point injection. I cannot get my hands on a wiring diagram for the car
either.
Ive had some access to alot of wiring diagrams and Ive been comparing all diagrams that the Haltech plugs into, They are all pretty much the same,
the V6 Holden has two extra injectors. The VNs DIS and the Camira's distributor use the same 4 wires in the computer. The Best part about this
system is that the Crank angle sensor signal goes directly to the DIS module and not the ECU like all other setups. Which must be why Kalmaker can
change them over easily.
Im going to go for the Camira JE harness and get a DIS module off a:
Pontiac Sunfire 97-01 4-134(2.2L)
Chev Cavalier 97-01 4-134
Chev Cavalier 02 VIN 4 (2.2L)
S10/S15/Sonoma 97-03 4-134(2.2L)
Isuzu Hombre 97-00 2.2L (4 cylinder)
I havent seen wiring diagrams for these cars yet, but the DIS unit looks exactly the same as a VN series II module except two coils instead of three.
The bueaty of them also, to me is you can get the MSD pn8224 coils(about $85 each) and run a MSD DIS2 ignition system (about $400) with the MSD GM
tower packs(dont know the price). These DIS modules are avaliable off ebay US for as little as $16USD but average $25USD.
As far as i can tell you should be able to use a VN crank angle sensor and trigger. And should be all plug in with no mods, as far as the lume is
concerned.
The VN guys run 2.6L Magna injectors because they apparently flow a hell of a lot more than the Commodore ones and are a straight swap (so great if i
go two a 2.7L Type 4), so Ill be getting some of those.
I also have a 62mm VN throttle body with all the map sensors and such that I hope will plug straight into the Camira lume. Ibought it for $32.50. Be
aware that there are different diametre shafts in those throttle bodies so try to get the skinny one for better flow. The V8 ones are 65mm but are
like $100 (once again a straight swap for the V6).
Feel free to correct any mistakes I would hate to miss leed someone here and waste someone elses money.
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Steve
Its looking good how far away from start up are you
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| posted on July 26th, 2007 at 02:05 PM |
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Also Steve, how much do you expect this total setup is going to cost overall?
Thanks
Steve
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Dave,
I'm still waiting on the fabricator to put the intake system together. We have come up with a paper model of the plenum and runner-connections, but
that's where it's stalled. He had some insurance work he needed to finish, and I've been flat-strap finishing uni (woo-hoo) and working.
I would of liked to have it all together before the rego was due again, but I don't think it's going to happen that soon.
Steve,
Don't even go there! hehe.
I will probably sit down and cost everything when it's all going. The problem with that is that the kill-joys will say it was a waste of money. It's
definately more than a set of dual carbs, but will shit all over them with reliability and drivability.
Plus, if I post the cost here the Mrs could find out!
Punchbuggyracer,
You have definately done more research than I have. I just know that I wanted to get rid of the dizzy, and the Delco couldn't fire twin ignition
without even more stuffing around. Just got an ECU that could. Keep us informed of your progress - start a new thread. 
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A little taste of what's to come.
Air temp sensor on passenger side of intake.
The detail and workmanship is spot-on. Awesome work Brad
TB in position
Things are starting to happen.
The fuel tank is being resprayed, and the spray painter said that the welding of the surge pot was extremely well done - A1.
More to follow ......
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Hey Astro, looking good. Glad it's starting to come together for you finally. It's funny how the time lines seem to blow out so far and how easy
quick things take the longest. Keep going.
T54
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