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| posted on May 5th, 2003 at 09:43 PM |
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Running too cold ?
My engine is running cold in this current sydney temperature, about 60 on the temp gauge .
In summer it normally runs 80 - 100 should I blank up the external oil coller or will the lower temp be ok
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| posted on May 5th, 2003 at 10:04 PM |
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Can you just adjust the thermostat (or re-fit it if it's not installed)?
Otherwise run a lighter oil (lower weight).
Just a suggestion.
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| posted on May 5th, 2003 at 10:48 PM |
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people say that 100-110 degrees is right any less or any more and serious damage could be done!
cheers
rhys
p.s. where is the sender coming from?
it aint just cool its aircool'd
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| posted on May 5th, 2003 at 11:01 PM |
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The only true oil temp sender for an air cooled engine is the dipstick oil temp sender... all others are influenced by the outside temperature....
The other thing to do... and many VW owners have gone this way... take out the temp gauge and sell it on ebay...
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| posted on May 5th, 2003 at 11:03 PM |
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What engine
What sort of engine are we talking about here ?
My manx is running at about 60 - 70 hits 90 if I give it a flogging. The cylinder head temps stays at about 340 - 355 though.
I don't see 60 hurting the engine, as long as you let it warm up a little first. If you get real concerned then put a power pulley on that should
be good for at least 10 degrees. I can get 5 out of different fuels. |
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| posted on May 5th, 2003 at 11:08 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Andy
Can you just adjust the thermostat (or re-fit it if it's not installed)?
Otherwise run a lighter oil (lower weight).
Just a suggestion.
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Andy,
I can tell You have never tried to buy a VW thermostat... back in the 50s-60s - VW Australasia - in Clayton Victoria advised all VW workshops to take
the thermostat out of every VW and dispose of them...
and that is exactly what happened... Ring Mick at Mick Motors and ask Him 'how long it is since He saw an air cooled VW
thermostat....'?
I know what He will say as I have asked Him....
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| posted on May 5th, 2003 at 11:16 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by silver
My engine is running cold in this current sydney temperature, about 60 on the temp gauge .In summer it normally runs 80 - 100 should I blank up the
external oil cooler or will the lower temp be ok
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The only other thing I can think of... is... take out Your Engine oil bypass valve and check to make sure its NOT sticking or jammed... when the oil
gets thinner - due to heat from the engine- the oil bypass valve switches the oil to run thru the oil cooler... Can You check if Your Oil Cooler IS
working, ie.. oil is going thru it... also
the Rule of Thumb for measuring the temperature of a VW engine is: If You can take out the dipstick and hold it its OK... if its too hot to hold...
the oil IS too hot....
See how Hot Your dipstick is... Your Engine oil temp may be OK.... really depends on You oil Temp Sender.... Lee
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| posted on May 5th, 2003 at 11:40 PM |
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Hi
If the oil dosent warmup you dont boil away all the nasties that get into the oil, either get an inline thermostat or blank off the cooler, but keep
an eye on your guage.
1302Steve
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| posted on May 6th, 2003 at 12:31 PM |
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I think we're missing the issue a little. Silver has notices a sudden change in oil temp. So something has changed recently. History is always
the best gauge as every motor, driving style, temperature gauge are always different.
The first thing is to find what caused the change. Is it the weather, faulty gauge, etc, as has been mentioned above? Narrow down the cause, then fix
it.
68Autobug, Come over one day. I will show you what a brand new thermostat looks like, and how to check they work, as well as all the bits need to make
it functional. Type 1 or type 4!!!!
Both my beetle and Kombi have functioning thermostats and flaps, I have new spares, and the motors I am building as spares will also have functioning
thermostats, and I live in Brissy, where they are much less important than down south!!
I do know Mick well, I live just up the road from him, but I take his advice (and anybody else's) with a grain of salt and make my own decision.
If he won't sell me a thermostat, some one else will. Infact he has given me some good flaps for free as he always removes them.
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| posted on May 6th, 2003 at 12:45 PM |
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It has gotten very much colder in Sydney,
I wish I had a thermstat, can't even find one from the wreckers that still works correctly |
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| posted on May 6th, 2003 at 01:20 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by kombikim
It has gotten very much colder in Sydney,
I wish I had a thermstat, can't even find one from the wreckers that still works correctly
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They must be around because one was fitted to my kombi when the engine was rebuilt. I'm in Melbourne and it made a big difference in the time
taken to get to operating temperature.
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| posted on May 6th, 2003 at 01:29 PM |
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yep,
they are more critical in an automatic,
I did have one that half worked in my other Kombi ie I set it to be fully open when hot so it was half closed when cold |
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| posted on May 6th, 2003 at 02:24 PM |
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I have a 1916 with an external oil cooler (14 pass if i remember) also a external oil filter is fitted.the sender is tapped into the pressure relief
valve.the only change to my set up is IRS which is making the whole thing run a little easier I guess ..
it has gotten cold suddenly in sydney and it has always run coolish 80 - 100 I can hold the dipstick ok when its hot .Maybe the first test is to block
half the external cooler and see what happens
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| posted on May 6th, 2003 at 10:34 PM |
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Hi Ho Silver
I waved to you this morning at the round about at Belmore rd & Forest rd, I was in the work Rodeo.
How easy is it to cover your oil cooler, I had a Beetle rally car years ago and the cooler was mounted below the rear window on the vents and I had a
peice of old denim that I used to fold up and hold on with an oky strap to give diferent air flows over the cooler, it worked OK, just a pain in the
bum at times.
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| posted on May 6th, 2003 at 11:00 PM |
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Silver, I'm assuming that your external cooler is full flow? It is possible to put in a thermostat bypass so that the oil bypasses the cooler
until it starts to warm up, then only runs through the cooler when it has got to operating temperature.
Kruizin Kol
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| posted on May 7th, 2003 at 08:44 AM |
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Sounds like the go Kol.
Just make sure the bypass is only on the cooler, not the filter!!
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| posted on May 7th, 2003 at 04:56 PM |
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Hey Steve sorry i didn't notice the rodeo but who would hehe i will keep a keener eye out for you when i'm not in dream land that is...the
bypass sounds a great idea and I wont have to uncover it in summer although it is easy to get at
cheers all
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| posted on May 7th, 2003 at 10:26 PM |
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Hi Silver
I dont look at foreign cars either, my Rodeo does seem to stick out though, flashing lights on the roof and tools in the back.
You should be able to get an inline thermostat here;
Fabre Australia
4 Frazer St Lakemba NSW, 2195
Ph: (02) 9758 1966.
There is another good place near the end of the M2 at Seven Hills but I cant think of the name of the place, I could find out if you dont do any good
at Lakemba.
1302Steve
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| posted on May 8th, 2003 at 04:59 PM |
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Thanks Steve Fabre is where i got the cooler they have some serious stuff in there i will check it out
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