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 shaihulud
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| posted on February 20th, 2007 at 12:05 AM |
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Swing arm or MacPherson strut?
All other things considered equal, which front suspension gives the best and safest high speed street/racing only (not off road) performance with
cornering, straight line stablity, braking etc. being taken into account. The king and link pin, ball joint or MacPherson strut front suspension?
Also with disc brakes all round, suitable tyres and an IRS rear end.
Would rack and pinion steering improve matters?
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| posted on February 20th, 2007 at 07:07 AM |
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Whoa........ I'll go first.
SET UP PROPPERLY McPherson strut will win hands down. Yes, you need to get the bushings etc replaced.
Just have a look at Snotty the green super on http://www.beetleracing.com
Rack and pinion is better for daily driving but "may" be too light for some in a racing set up
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| posted on February 20th, 2007 at 07:14 AM |
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Depends on who you ask
The Ball joint is superior to the King and Ling as you can have adjustable camber and different wear rates etc etc
As for Struts vs Torsion bar you will get thousands of different answers and opionions
As for racing it would depend on how you set up the front ends and if you have adjustability in each of them to suit the track our racing on.
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| posted on February 20th, 2007 at 09:16 AM |
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Hi
One of best things about struts is the adjustability. You can easily vary your spring rate, ride height, corner weight, caster etc. The rack & pinion
strut bug is the ultimate set-up in my opinion. Its superiority can be seen by just turning the wheel off centre while its parked, a steering box car
will get play off centre, a rack car has almost or very little play when doing this, the lack of play equates to better control as kickback from the
road wheels goes directly to the steering wheel where as car with a steering absorbs the play which will minutly turn the steering during a turn.
The only thing against a strut car is the weight penalty.
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| posted on February 20th, 2007 at 09:35 AM |
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Hi Steve,
so a super weighs more than a torsion bar beetle??
I would have thought the struts would be lighter than the torsion bar ball joint front end..
Lee
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| posted on February 20th, 2007 at 10:18 AM |
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Thank you gentlemen. I was recently speaking with the owner of a strut front, rack and pinion steering Beetle. He said that it is greatly superior to
all the others. As he is a bit of a blatherskite I took what he said with a grain of salt and that's why I'm asking you here. It seems that what he
said is being confirmed. Thanks again.
I'm dreaming of my next, or next after next, project and I need to get a few thing right before I buy the donor vehicle. I'm pleased to know that
the strut front is multi- adjustable to suit conditions. That's important to fit with the new ideas that I'm having.
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| posted on February 20th, 2007 at 10:19 AM |
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Yep it weights more: about one bag of concrete
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| posted on February 20th, 2007 at 12:52 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 68AutoBug
Hi Steve,
so a super weighs more than a torsion bar beetle??
I would have thought the struts would be lighter than the torsion bar ball joint front end..
Lee
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Hi Leigh
As Glen said its about a bag concrete, that would be comparing strut front end car to say a 76 bug. Supers and Ls weigh in at 870 kg, 76s about 850 I
believe.
The extra weight is in the longer bodywork and strengthening needed for the struts, they also have slightly bigger boot.
Steve
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