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| posted on April 21st, 2007 at 10:54 AM |
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WTD: 1300 IRS Bug gearbox in WA
Looking for a 1300 IRS Beetle gearbox in known good condition (not interested in taking chances unless its very cheap!).
Its the one with the 4.375 Rack & Pinion, and i believe the code on the side of the gearbox should be one of:
AA AB AD AE AG AM AP AX
Am in WA.
Cheers for helping
Sam
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| posted on April 21st, 2007 at 01:27 PM |
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I think you mean 'ring and pinion' and its also a swingaxle box.:thumb not IRS.
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| posted on April 21st, 2007 at 06:36 PM |
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Yes, i meant ring & pinion 
No, i meant IRS (with CV joints for putting into my splitty IRS set-up)
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| posted on April 21st, 2007 at 06:50 PM |
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what late 1300 in oz was irs? maybe in the uk? - i thought all late 1300s were swingers. richard holtz converted one or two to irs? from memory....
nick
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| posted on April 21st, 2007 at 09:14 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Yes, i meant ring & pinion
No, i meant IRS (with CV joints for putting into my splitty IRS set-up)
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No 1300 IRS. So what you are looking for - ie: all that is available - is a Super Beetle box which is IRS and has a 4.12 ratio
Pay your debts, CxxT
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| posted on April 21st, 2007 at 09:41 PM |
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Shit! :o
Hadn't thought that 1300 IRS'd gearboxes never made it to Aus.
You got me worried so have just done some more research and now 100% sure that an 'AM' code gearbox is definitely an 1300 IRS with the ratios i'm
chasing - it was in the saloon and cabrio from 8/70
so, AM box, anyone?
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| posted on April 21st, 2007 at 10:17 PM |
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mate, as we say down here: Two chances - none and Buckley's :P
But you never know, you might find someone who is parting-out a private import...
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| posted on April 21st, 2007 at 10:40 PM |
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so nothing changes for the splitty then - always chasing rocking horse shit!
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| posted on April 22nd, 2007 at 12:07 AM |
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Any IRS bug or TIII box will do the job Sam.... The minor ratio differences will make little difference on the road for the average user.... Any TIII
box will be a better option for you though.... They are far more plentifull and cheaper than the SSB's.... That said... getting any parts here in
Perth is tough these days as we don't have a dedicated VW wrecker anymore....
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| posted on April 22nd, 2007 at 12:34 AM |
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Hi
Our 1302 and 1303s were all 1600 cc, we never had 1300 cc 1302 or 1303s.
Steve
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| posted on April 22nd, 2007 at 12:41 AM |
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Simon
I've worked out the differences and chewed it over:
Bascically i'm sticking with the 1600 single port but dont think it'll have the oomf to drive a type 3 box (a good 10% 'taller' than the 1300 bug
box, and taller than the equivalent bay window with same engine) though many in Pommyland fit these... there seems to be a rapacious desire for top
end end speed with IRS conversions but 70mph is fine for me and i'd rather have some in the bag for climbing hills.
But, looks like i havent got much choice (i have a type 3 box available)
Sam
p.s. glad to see the new No H20 is coming - where do i sign?!
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| posted on April 22nd, 2007 at 09:23 AM |
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Yes, your ideas/theory is correct, but the available Aussie hardware isn't 
Try a smaller tyre...?
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| posted on April 22nd, 2007 at 10:07 AM |
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If you want a 4.375 ring and pinion, get a late 1300 swinger box and convert it to IRS, it's not hard at all, CT has one in his silver Oval. worth
doing for a Splitty and a stock engine.
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| posted on April 22nd, 2007 at 11:01 AM |
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Didnt know this could be done - how would i go about it?
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| posted on April 22nd, 2007 at 11:13 AM |
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richard holtz converted one or two to irs? from memory....
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| posted on April 22nd, 2007 at 12:06 PM |
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Did a search on Richard Holtz
???
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| posted on April 22nd, 2007 at 02:55 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 1303Steve
Hi
Our 1302 and 1303s were all 1600 cc, we never had 1300 cc 1302 or 1303s.
Steve
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I was just talking about OEM IRS box's that are available Steve.... Sam would be better off sticking with what is actually available here in Oz...
unless he wanted to build a box with specific ratios that is....
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Didnt know this could be done - how would i go about it?
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Most any Dub shop could do it, but I would suggest you talk Mike at Volkshop in O'Connor... He's the local trans specialist in Perth (apart from the
performance crowd that is).... Been done plenty of times.... But the critical thing is getting the Diff mesh/lash correct.... Can be a little tough to
do without a total rebuild.... Its a little bit of a gamble is all....
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| posted on April 22nd, 2007 at 03:07 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Did a search on Richard Holtz
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Don't think Richard is here, but his boys are... Dieter and Alex (scuse the spelling)..... Shimo did one for me years ago.... It worked fine for
years.... It can be done.....
On another note.... A TIII box with a solid single port 1600 will be fine in a splitty.... Infact I have just done a straight axle conversion in a
mates bus and it flys!
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| posted on April 22nd, 2007 at 05:40 PM |
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It's spelled Holzl
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| posted on April 22nd, 2007 at 08:36 PM |
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I'd use someone that actually builds gearboxes for a living, not just a hobby!
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| posted on April 22nd, 2007 at 10:03 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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I was just talking about OEM IRS box's that are available Steve.... Sam would be better off sticking with what is actually available here in Oz...
unless he wanted to build a box with specific ratios that is....
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Hi Simon
That what I was trying to tell him. I wasn't sure if he was aware that we didn't have that model in Australia.
Steve
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| posted on April 22nd, 2007 at 11:38 PM |
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Thanks for all your help guys... I think the sensible thing to do would be
1. Have a rummage through the gearbox pile at volkswest, just in case there is an 'AM' code box (you never know!)
2. Stick the type 3 box in, see how i like the ratios. It might be OK, but i'm suspecting it'll be too tall, especially for a loaded camper up in
the hills.
3. If that fails, find a 1300 swinger and speak to Mike at Volksshop, use the type 3 box bits to do the conversion.
Sam
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| posted on April 22nd, 2007 at 11:49 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 1303Steve
| Quote: | Originally
posted by humpty
I was just talking about OEM IRS box's that are available Steve.... Sam would be better off sticking with what is actually available here in Oz...
unless he wanted to build a box with specific ratios that is....
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Hi Simon
That what I was trying to tell him. I wasn't sure if he was aware that we didn't have that model in Australia.
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No problem Steve.... Sometimes I think I might not be explicit enough... Just though I'd clarify what I said.... It pays to sometimes.....:thumb
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| posted on April 23rd, 2007 at 07:46 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Samblers
Thanks for all your help guys... I think the sensible thing to do would be
1. Have a rummage through the gearbox pile at volkswest, just in case there is an 'AM' code box (you never know!)
2. Stick the type 3 box in, see how i like the ratios. It might be OK, but i'm suspecting it'll be too tall, especially for a loaded camper up in
the hills.
3. If that fails, find a 1300 swinger and speak to Mike at Volksshop, use the type 3 box bits to do the conversion.
Sam
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Good Plan.
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That's mad Alan.
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| posted on April 23rd, 2007 at 04:44 PM |
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Hmmm, having a re-think, I may be better just swopping the R&P out in my current stock set-up and making it into a ‘freeway flier’ trans.
I don’t plan to lower it after all.
Cheers for the info and guidance though – all useful
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| posted on April 23rd, 2007 at 08:24 PM |
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You need to go for a ride in a splitty that doesn't have RGB's..... You'll wonder how the hell you put up with those dang things!
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| posted on April 24th, 2007 at 12:27 AM |
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You might be right there 
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