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look a VW Brasilia
http://cid-f4aaffd327ea2b01.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/P%c3%bablico/DSC00330...
Venezuelan. VW-Brasilia '81. A/A. 27 years old !!!
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Yes,
these are one of My favorite VWs..
probably My favorite... I love em..
they had a beetle engine in the rear..
I have seen pics of the 4 door version too...
funnily enough, 2 door cars are the biggest sellers in Brasil
so there weren't many 4 door Brasillias made...
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Jonathan
where are You located ??
is this your Car???
Lee
here is My beetle
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Yep, they were very nice cars, shrunk type 4 body strapped o a type 3 floor pan. I think they would have done well in other markets also, the only 4
door wagon VW made with an air cooled engine!
Very nice.
What year is this one, looks like a late model to me.
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| posted on March 30th, 2008 at 07:12 AM |
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Well  , i did not know that there where Brasilias in Australia. Is
nice to know that, even better, you knew 4 doors'
Responding to Lee (68AutoBug) ask, I am in Venezuela (south america) and yes, the car in the pic is mine, and the woman is my wife and the boy my
child. a nice shot in "La Colonia Tovar". Nice car you have Lee, very shinny
Andy: the car is a 1982 model. One of the last ones assembled in Venezuela.
See others pics of my car:
Dashboard:
it is like this one, but no so clean:
Comparing with a VW Sterling
Saluting
and in this site, there are others ones, including mine
http://www.comecaminos.com/vw_brasilia.htm
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| posted on March 30th, 2008 at 08:05 AM |
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very cool looking ,are there alot of them over there? any right hand drive?
show us your gates
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| posted on March 30th, 2008 at 08:41 AM |
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thanks, i try to do my best.
Yes there are, in venezuela are many Brasilias because it was a good saled car in 70's. badly not everyone are in good shape becasuse it was used
like a poors pick up. But theres still good ones. 
And all of them are left handed, sorry.
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These are awesome cars, my parents had a white one back in the late 80's when I was living in Brazil!!
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Andy
Yep, they were very nice cars, shrunk type 4 body strapped o a type 3 floor pan. I think they would have done well in other markets also, the only 4
door wagon VW made with an air cooled engine!
Very nice.
What year is this one, looks like a late model to me.
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Brasilias as far as i know were only produced in two doors..
and were on a BEETLE chassis with a beetle rear engine..
they had the the same nose as a 412...
deseigned by the same person...
I think they would have sold well Everywhere as a replacement for the beetle....
Rear engine - Good looking - Beetle chassis etc....
EXCELLENT....
cheers
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The ONLY 4 door VW I now was the 411-412 VW..
made in Germany...
No chassis - excellent type 4 engines -
late model designed suspension etc....
LEE
I love the 412...
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The Brasilia was indeed made with 4 doors, although the 2 door was way more popular. Lots of 4 door Brasilias were bought to be used as Taxis in Rio
de Janeiro. And as far as which chassis/engine they had, before the Brasilia, there were cars in Brazil called TL, Variante and 1600. These had the
Beetle chassis but the engine and looks were like the Type 3.
The Brasilia was made to be a substitute to the Beetle in Brazil, but it ended up being sold side by side. The Brasilia had indeed a Beetle chassis
and engine but they did not have the same nose as a 412. The look was simply copied, thats why it looks similar.
Some early Brasilias had a 1300 engine but all later models had a twin carby 1600.
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Brasilia...
Here is a "what if". What if Volkswagen decided to make a new version of the Brasilia? I think it would look something like this:
The author of this photo is Du Oliveira. Here is his blog:
http://irmaododecio.blogspot.com
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What was the name of the South American VW that looked like a Polo but had an air cooled engine up front? Also the SP2 would've sold well. If only VW
hadn't taken over Audi and let the tail wag the dog!! I believe there was still room for aircooled to expand.
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| posted on May 16th, 2009 at 11:18 AM |
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the GOL -
I stand corrected
I have never seen a pic of a 4 door brasillia before...
Now they would have sold in Australia....
the 4 headlamp nose is known as the Leipzig nose as it was designed by this VW designer... He designed the 412 in Germany then I believe He moved to
Brasil... where he designed more great VWs....
I really don't understand why the 4 door Brasillia wasn't used as a TAXI in Mexico after the law was passed that All taxis had to have 4 doors..
which killed the Beetle production....
in 1980 - VW Brasillia made the GOL - a hatchback car with front mounted air cooled engine- A totally new designed engine - ... hydraulic lifters -
excellent large fan similar to the porsche style - no oil cooler - totally newly designed unitary body/chassis - FRONT WHEEL DRIVE -
and designed to run totally on ALCOHOL...
no sniffing petrol over there.... just drink the stuff??? lol
cheers
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What was the name of the South American VW that looked like a Polo but had an air cooled engine up front?
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VW Gol............. these are pics of the Mk I
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The GOL - 1980 -
BY 1986 the Gol was available with a GOLF GTI engine..
and the air cooled engines were phased out in 1987....
it was designed with a safety cell etc by VW Germany as a prototype EA276.... it was supposed to be the beetle replacement in Germany.
VW Germany refined it and then sent it to Brasil...
it was also made in Argentina...
imagine looking under the bonnet of a GOL..
looks as modern as most cars apart from that excellent engine.....
I'm still drooling.....
Most cars sold in brasil only have two doors...
4 door cars sell very poorly..... Lee
LEE
Only ever made in LHD...
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Nothing wrong with that look....
looks much more modern than the new beetle IMHO...
LEE
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Here is a "what if". What if Volkswagen decided to make a new version of the Brasilia? I think it would look something like this:
The author of this photo is Du Oliveira. Here is his blog:
http://irmaododecio.blogspot.com
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| posted on May 16th, 2009 at 12:52 PM |
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Hello vw-mates
Well if you want to know more a bout VW Brasilias i'll recomend to you this site
http://www.geocities.com/vw_brasilia/ the site was made by Rafael Luis Zimmermann a friend of mine
It's in Portuguese and english, but the english version is shorter. You can find a lot of information there.
I even made a magazine review abot brasilias, but it's in spanish because it was made for "VW Venezuela magazine".
If you want I can sent it to you.
Ahhh I really do like the New Brasilia 
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Ahhh and the brasilia is like a type 1 with newer chasis.
More inernal space, more lugage area, more cc in the engine and so.
But is the same mechanical.
The 4 doors brasilias where very few and there are very strange to find
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Ok I did some research and here is what I came up with:
Brasília is a car that has characteristics from the Type 1 and Type 3. Basically it's a Type 3 (chassis, front axle and torsion bars, including
stablizer bars), with engines out of the Type 1 (upright cooling fan). The body was designed completely in Brazil. The brazilian Volkswagen 1600 sedan
(type 3 style 4 door sedan, which people in Brazil have nicknamed "Zé do Caixão", which translated means "Coffin Joe" because it's square and
has 4 door handles, two on each side, which looks like a coffin) is also a mix of the Type 1 and Type 3.
The Brasílias were 1.600cc - from 1973 to 1975, with single carby (H-30-PIC); from the end of 1975 (1976 model) to 1982, with twin carbies
(H-32/34PDSI-2/3). Differential ratio was 4,125:1. The exception were the Brasílias that run on acohol (ethanol) with 1.300cc engines, which also had
twin carbies (H-32/34PDSI-2/3 - adjusted to run on a compression ratio of 10:1). In this case, the diff ratios were the same as on the Beetle 1300
(4,375:1), made from December 1967 to August 1983.
There has never been a Brasília 1.500cc.
Translated from http://sintoniavw.blogspot.com/2009/05/vw-brasilia.html
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Hey BR_look that type 3 thing is false. I can say it becase I have my Brasilia and it's with my family since it was sold by the VW in Venezuela.
Actualy it is 28 years old car and it's still look the fotos.
The front axle, th torsion bar is like the clasic beetle and almost all the mechanics parts. Of course there are a lot of improvement, but is basicly
the same tech.
Look at this schema:
[img=http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/1048/brasiliaspec.jpg]
Características (en portugués):
Motor
Tipo de construção......................................de combustão interna, de 4 cilindros e a 4 tempos, montado na parte traseira do veículo.
Cilindros, disposição....................................opostos 2 a 2, horizontalmente
Diâmetro.....................................................85,5 mm
Curso do pistão...........................................69,0 mm
Cilindradas..................................................1584 cm³
Razão de compressão.................................7,2:1
Válvulas......................................................no cabeçote
Folga das válvulas......................................0,10 mm de admissão
0,10 mm de escapamento (a regular com o motor frio)
Potência máxima.......................................DIN – 54cv/4200 rpm
SAE – 65cv/4600 rpm
Momento de força....................................SAE – 11,7mkgf/3200 rpm
DIN – 10,8mkgf/3000 rpm
Lubrificação.................................................sob pressão, com bomba de engrenagens e radiador de óleo
Alimentação.................................................por bomba de gasolina mecânica
Carburadores................................................2, de aspiração descendente, tipo Solex H32 PDSI
Arrefecimento..............................................a ar, por ventoinha
Bateria........................................................12 volts e 36 Ah
Motor de partida..........................................elétrico, de 12 volts e 0,7cv
Dínamo........................................................com reguladores de tensão, de 12 volts, 25 A
Alternador....................................................com reguladores de tensão, de 14 Volts, 35 A
Distribuidor de ignição....................................com avanço automático (vácuo/centrífugo)
Seqüência de ignição.....................................1-4-3-2
Regulagem do ponto de ignição.....................apms 10º
Afastamento dos platinados do distribuidor...................................................0,4 mm
Velas............................................................rosca de 14 mm
Afastamento dos elétrodos...........................0,6 a 0,8 mm
Gasolina.......................................................tipo A (amarela)
Embreagem
Tipo............................................................monodisco, acionado a seco
Folga do pedal..............................................10 a 20 mm
Transmissão ao eixo traseiro
Por engrenagens cônicas, com dentes helicoidais, diferencial e semi- árvores oscilantes
Caixa de mudanças.....................................4 velocidades sincronizadas à frente e uma à ré
Razão de transmissão..................................1ª...................1:3,80
2ª...................1:2,06
3ª...................1:1,32
4ª...................1:0,88
marcha-à-ré.....1:3,88
Razão de transmissão do diferencial............1:4,125
Chassi
Suspensão dianteira....................................2 barras de torção (feixes), com estabilizador
Suspensão traseira......................................2 barras de torção (cilíndricas), com barra compensadora
Amortecedores............................................telescópicos, de dupla ação, à frente e atrás
Direção.......................................................de rolete no eixo do setor, com amortecedor hidráulico
Voltas do volante, de batente a batente........2,7
Diâmetro mínimo de curva............................11 m
Rodas..........................................................aro 5J x 14H
Pneus..........................................................5,90 x 14 (175 SR14)
Freios
Freio de serviço.............................................hidráulico, nas quatro rodas, com circuito duplo em paralelo, dianteiro a disco e
traseiro a tambor
Freio de estacionamento...............................mecânico, com ação sobre as rodas traseiras
Rendimento
Velocidade máxima.......................................138 km/h
Capacidade nas subidas:
com (½ carga).........................................em 1ª 42,5%
2ª 21,7%
3ª 12,3%
4ª 6,6%
marcha-à-ré 42,2%
Aceleração............0 a 80 km/h...........................11,0 s
0 a 100 km/h...........................22,0 s
Quantidades de abastecimento
Reservatório de gasolina.................................46 litros
Motor (cárter)................................................2,5 litros
Carcaça da transmissão - capacidade..............3,0 litros
- reasbastecimento.....2,5 litros
Caixa de direção.............................................160 cm³
Freio...............................................................0,48 litro
Consumo de combustível e óleo
Consumo de gasolina em velocidade constante, na 4ª marcha, a 80 km/h............................................................13,7 km/l
Consumo de óleo..........................................até 1 litro, a cada 1000 km
Dimensões
Distância entre eixos.......................................2400 mm
Bitola – dianteira............................................1326 mm
– traseira.............................................1361 mm
Comprimento.................................................4013 mm
Largura..........................................................1606 mm
Altura.............................................................1438 mm
Entre o chassi e o chão:
(com carga máxima).......................................149 mm
Pesos
Peso líquido com roda sobressalente e acessórios........................................................890 kg
Carga útil..........................................................420 kg
Peso total admissível.......................................1310 kg
Peso total admissível no eixo:
- dianteiro....................................520 kg
- traseiro......................................800 kg
Volumes
Compartimento do porta-malas........................117 litros
Compartimento de bagagens:
* com encosto traseiro na posição normal
- até a parede inferior do vidro traseiro..............81 litros
- até o teto......................................................244litros
* com encosto reclinado
- até a parede inferior do vidro traseiro..............339 litros
- até o teto.......................................................746 litros
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in this image, you can see the initial diagrams made by Piancastelli
Look the doted line with the beetle outline
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Have a look at the link below. It's a 1978 Brasilia that was bought new and then left on stands until now!! It looks brand new!!!
http://www.geocities.com/fsimut/brasa_zero.htm
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hey jonathan alvarez im alex alvarez we could be related hahahah im a brasilian living in sydney,and iv owned a 79 brasilia when i lived in brasil 8
years ago and iv owned a gol (bola) gti which i turboed what a machine and a fusca 66.i was just reading the posts and pictures and it all brought
back good memories.muito obrigado 
how cool would it be to import a brasilia and see the reactions of the vw guys at a show.priceless!
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Hey Gringo_54_Oval, my name is Fabio Caris and I'm a brazilian living in country Victoria!! Ballarat to be more specific). When did you move to
Australia? I imigrated back in 1995!! Eu tenho um Fusca de ano 1973. Vamos mostrar pra essa galera como se encrementa um Fusca!!!
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haha i came to oz when i was 1 lived here till 15yrs old lived in the us for 3 years n then went to brasil for 5 and realised that my home is the land
down under and returned
iv got an 54 bug i built it it 5 years ago http://www.volksculture.com/profile/aLEX.
hope this works.
valeu fabz
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hello gringo_54_oval maaate, well may be a distant cousin, nobody knows jejeje
well, it woud be very very cool to bring you (australians i mean) my brasilia.
In fact i 'm trying to inmigrate to Canberra. but it's no so easy.
I hope to go there and see the Oz-VW
Air cooled rules.!!!!!!!
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cool
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Hi guys, if you want to see some 4 doors brasilia just type brasilia 4 portas at google images, there is also TL 4 portas. They were both made by VW
Brasil in the 70's and early 80's. I am from Brasil and I own a 1986 ethanol Bettle there.
Nice topic
1986 Brazilian Fusca
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not a fan of the old ones...in fact not a fan of the prototype ones either 
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