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| posted on May 6th, 2008 at 09:23 PM |
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Foglights/ driving lights
Rules we should obey on the road, obviously for the convenience and courtesy to others.
"Foglights must not be used except in fog or mist or under other atmospheric conditions which restrict visibility."
So I now ask firstly "Why do people feel it necessary to arrogantly have front fog/ driving lights that sometimes are equivalent to aircraft landing
lights on at the front and sometimes the red super beam fog rear lamp that is ignorantly put on as well?"
Are you one of these people?????? Why do you do it? Do you think it would or would not inconvenience other drivers? Is it just because you can? Is it
just an image thing?
Personally in my own opinion it is not a vehicle with any class that has to have driving lights on all the time just for the driver to think it looks
cool.
My poor 45W yellowish light generator powered headlights pale into significance, but I seem to get around allright!
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| posted on May 6th, 2008 at 09:36 PM |
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Yes
the later "white" foglamps [whatever] are too bright to be foglamps
they are mounted low , like foglamps
but they would never work with fog...
as they dazzle the hell out of the oncoming drivers..
this was a problem a few years ago...
then people seemed to have found the OFF switch
but its started again with new vehicles including 4WDs..
they should go out when the headlamps are on...
I have Genuine Bosch YELLOW fog lamps on My beetle
and they reflect ALL the light down low under the fog..
and they are hardly visible to oncoming drivers - day or night
but those New Cars and 4WDs with the ultra bright
so called fog lamps look like there is no adjustment
as they ALL shine all over the place ....
I always wonder when i see a car with a Red rear Fog lamp
turned on at night whether the driver knows how to turn it OFF....
Lee
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| posted on May 6th, 2008 at 09:37 PM |
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And it attracts around a $75 fine in NSW if the cops want to enforce it. Have you also found that if you give them a high beam flash to get them off
they hit you with their high beam plus the FIGJAM lights!
Another annoying thing is the arm danglers and gutter grippers which seems to also be forgotten as an infringment which came into play in the 60s.
Just noticed Lee's post on the white fog ligts. This is all the go in Europe and the white lights mounted low in the bumper actually show under the
fog and give a good spread. About the only place I have seen real bad fog is on that Princes Hwy down to the Gong. Even here around the Hawkesbury
it generally doesn't get that bad and the ones that do use the fog lights still leave the low beam on as well which destroys the effect of the
others.
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| posted on May 6th, 2008 at 09:57 PM |
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YELLOW FOG LAMPS...
Yes,
maybe thats why the white foglamps [or show lights]
were all switched off a few years ago...
Maybe they were all fined....
it also seems that many people don't know its illegal to have any part of your body protruding from a car
including an arm etc out the window....
There was a fellow at the VW nationals a few years ago who had a white 68 LHD french beetle with yellow headlamps... [which is standard in france]
He bought the car to drive around Europe and loved the car so he bought it home with him..
He did say that yellow lights never dazzle oncoming drivers
He said it was great idea.. yellow headlamps..
but they were deemed illegal when he went to get it registered...
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| posted on May 6th, 2008 at 10:04 PM |
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Hi
I have fog lights on my Prado, I have never needed to use them in fog, I do use them to flash on and off quickly to warm other drivers that they have
their fog lights on, they dont seem to notice.
I have noticed that the fog lights do give much extra light at close to the front of car, which can be handy. I've often thought of wiring them up to
come on with high beam.
In the course of my job (I work for a large motoring organisation) I often find that people have their fog lights on when they turn their lights on,
when I inform them they often not aware that they have them on or that it is illegal to to use them unless the weather conditions are adverse.
I think Moronos & Commondoor lights are the worse for glare.
In my mind I would love to walk down the road merrily cut all the wire leading to fog lights, particaly on the rear Hyundias.
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| posted on May 6th, 2008 at 10:10 PM |
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People that leave driving lights / high beam / foglights on always get in my bad books.
I drove a beetle with fog lights and a van with a driving light and I knew when to use them. It doesn't take much brain power.
When I get around to it I'll have a van with fog lights and a driving light. But unlike most people, especially 4x4 owners, I know how to use them.
And the added limitations of the VW electrical system help to enforce them. Nothing like 2X100w high beam and 1x100w driving light to upset the
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| posted on May 6th, 2008 at 10:24 PM |
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yeah i have the cibie oscacs on the front of my T4..
melts animals off the road.. hehe
best of all i can see soo far ahead so as to avoid them at speed when out doing highway driving.. not soo much around the city yeah
best thing ive ever had on most of my cars..
+ when pricks come at you with high beam on.. well they certainly put the lights down as they are getting a new sun tan.. 
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| posted on May 7th, 2008 at 05:05 PM |
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First thing I ever bought on ebay, set of fogs to go in the Forester, reckon they make the Soob look just that much better, mind you the mises drives
it 90% of the time so I installed them but didn't wire them up, that makes it impossible for the demons to get her, well for that offence anyway.
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| posted on May 8th, 2008 at 03:28 PM |
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I hate this also. I wait until they get close to me and then turn on my high beam and leave it on high until they pass me. I figure if they care so
little about my night vision, then I won't care if I damage theirs. Because I leave it close enough to them to make sure I get them but not too
early for them to put their full high beam on, it doesn't affect me any more than they already have.
I always make sure though that there are no cars in front of me (coming towards me or the going in the same direction) so I don't blind them as well.
Unfortunately it means I can't do this to everyone ignorant enough to drive with them on but at least I get a few. My high beams are super bright
as well so they really know they have been hit with them.
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| posted on May 8th, 2008 at 04:10 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by helbus
Are you one of these people??????
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yes
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posted by helbus
Why do you do it?
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coz people dont give way to me if i dont have them on
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posted by helbus
Do you think it would or would not inconvenience other drivers?
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if the fog lights are installed correctly they should not inconvenience other drivers. mine are factory fitted to the cars so should be pointed
downwards to not effect oncoming drivers
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posted by helbus
Is it just because you can?
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NO
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Is it just an image thing?
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No... dont give a toss what others think of my car with or without foglights.
see.... air and water do mix 
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| posted on May 8th, 2008 at 04:12 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 68AutoBug
the later "white" foglamps [whatever] are too bright to be foglamps
they are mounted low , like foglamps
but they would never work with fog...
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have found that the current style of foglights work quite well in foggy conditions.
see.... air and water do mix
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| posted on May 9th, 2008 at 12:16 AM |
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Re blutopless2
quote "coz people dont give way to me if i dont have them on"
So who says we all should give way to all the w....kers who
are blinding us , -- bloody Marke Skaife wannabes.
quote "if the fog lights are installed correctly they should not inconvenience
other drivers. mine are factory fitted to the cars so should be pointed
downwards to not effect oncoming drivers"
They always have some stupid reason other than the true
one, -- "look at me, look at me". Damn ADHD.
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| posted on May 9th, 2008 at 12:21 AM |
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quote "have found that the current style of foglights work quite well in foggy conditions"
WELL USE THEM FOR FOGGY CONDITIONS!
quote "No... dont give a toss what others think of my car with or without foglights."
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| posted on May 9th, 2008 at 12:32 AM |
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all i can say is i wish they would stick them goddam foglights up their jacksyif you need to use them as well as normal low beams i think you should (A) go get your eyes tested (B) dont drive at night so that
the people who dont need to be blinded can drive safely,and lastly (C) c`mon law enforcement do something about it
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| posted on May 9th, 2008 at 12:48 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by syncropro
So who says we all should give way to all the w....kers who
are blinding us , -- bloody Marke Skaife wannabes.
They always have some stupid reason other than the true
one, -- "look at me, look at me". Damn ADHD.
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well if people gave way then i wouldn't put them on.
Now i agree Mark Skaife is a wanker. 
not look at me at all... only when i want people to give way.
see.... air and water do mix
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....Now i agree Mark Skaife is a wanker.
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[size=4]I didn't say he is[/size].
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| posted on May 9th, 2008 at 05:49 PM |
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blutopless2. I respect your opinion, thank you for being willing to answer some questions I have about the subject. Not that I am demanding answers, I
am viewing my opinion, as well as hoping to gauge other peoples opinions. I am glad your lights are not set to inconvenience other drivers, as it
seems many are.
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| posted on May 9th, 2008 at 07:11 PM |
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no probs... and i respect others opinions too..
not getting heated here at all
i suspect that in most cases the foglights that piss people off are either an aftermarket item that is poorly installed and directed or they are oem
equipment that has been installed wrong.
a guy i work with had probs with his foglights on a hsv... found that they pointed upwards too much for his liking... when he got under the front to
check them he found that they had been installed arse about... so the lhs was on the right and viceversa.. that explained why they pointed upwards.
once corrected they were fine.
so incorrect fitment can happen even from the factory.
see.... air and water do mix
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Bad visibility was my scape goat on my car. Mind you though, where i fitted them was were the wrc special edition models had fotted anyways. makes it
no different from that. And yes, you got to direct them downwards, its the road i had trouble seeing, not the sky. But stupidity is adundant and
relative too. Even the present new cars on the market have too bright of a headlight i rekon, like the new honda accords and what not. BLOODY HELL!
But i agree though, there are some tossers out there with nasty unnecessary setups. Was a truck i was following at one stage with this clear lamp at
the back that was friggen as bright as a full beam headlight, pissed me off badly.
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Bottom line though is they are illegal to use when your headlight on on either low beam or high beam. Your main lights are supposed to have only the
parking lights on when the fog lights are on. If people can't see your main headlights on, the driving lights are going to make next to no
difference to them being able to see you any better.
All it does is piss off other road users. Sure some are aligned properly and others not but NONE of them should be on in day to day use.
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mmm, I got stunned today by a marauding commonbore driver with his driving/fog light on just after dusk. For goodness sake, he was doing 45km/h in a
back street, why on earth he need his driving/fog lights on was beyond me. I flashed him as it was making the winscreen in my car (ancient swift) seem
even more opaque than usual but he just flashed me back and went on blinding me. Why is it that when people buy certain cars they take the free
lobotomy option?
Once my buggy's back on the road (if it ever gets there  ), 550watts of superoscars and high beam should sort him out. 
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It's not good when you are driving your car with only low beam on and stupid wankers flash there high beam on you, do they get a surprise when you
actually flash the high beam back at them. This was on my new bmw. Very annoying.
We have the driving lights on the 4wd but have never had to use them while driving.
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This topic has had me looking out for the fog/driving light offenders, they seem to be everywhere but the number of these that actualy give me a
problem is next to zero, it would seem that those that do cause a problem must be adjusted incorrectly, by accident or intentionly I don't know, just
seems to me to be a bit of a fasion thing among some to drive with them on, except for those that are adjusted so that they cause a problem I can't
see the big deal.
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if the windscreen on your car is old or a bit misty, the extra level of light makes the whole windscreen act like a diffuser and the whole screen
turns almost opaque. Not to mention the whole blinding thing. I actually am quite happy for people to use them on wet days or on a very dark night in
the country, but on a suburban street when it's not completely dark? Just ridiculous.
I'd be interested to know, just out of interest of course, if one was to run into the offending car because it blinded them, who would be at fault?
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cops aren't enforcin this... i driven past millions...
had no worries.
I guess the person who was responsible for keeping his windscreen clean is at fault :P, If thats what makes it so hard to see through, cause any light
besides spot lights makes it harder.
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Against the Law - Fog Lamps in good weather
[size=4]Hi there was a Large flashing sign on the side of the New England Highway today between Maitland and Scone..
saying that FOG LIGHTS are Only to be used in bad weather...
drivers would be fined for not obeying the Law..
[the sign said it differently..lol]
I must have seen 20 cars with the bright white foglights today...
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A windscreen with that sort of problem would also give a hell of a problem driving into the sun, thats happened to me on the occasion that I failed to
keep the inside of the screen clean. On the few occasions that oncomi8ng cars have failed to flick to low beam I find the age old trick of glancing to
the left side of the road works well enough, still, illegal is still illegal and the laew should be enforced I spose.
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haha,
whats classed as bad weather :P???
For those who love the rain or have a fog fetish, or are a kite surfer or hang glinder, they love big windz :P. Thats their 'good' weather day's
lol.
A bad weather day would be a sunny day, no rain, no wind for them 
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"Foglights must not be used except in fog or mist or under other atmospheric conditions which restrict visibility."
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"Foglights must not be used except in fog or mist or under other atmospheric conditions which restrict visibility."
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Officially - that is what are Bad Conditions....
Rain- Fog -Mist..
and I don't see anything wrong in sprinkling Rain either
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