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 posted on July 11th, 2008 at 04:17 PM |
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Guess who will be busy this weekend
Last weekend I disassembled, this weekend I reassemble.
Basically I have decided to finally do two things that I've wanted to do for ages.
1 - replace my temporary (only been there for 5 years) $20 exhaust system with something a bit better. So I am going for a 2.5" system with a
basically straight through muffler (old 2" one had muliple chambers and I think restricted the top end). Seemed like a good idea since I recently
put some good headers on the motor.
2 - Install a Davies Craig electric water pump (EWP). This allows me to remove a belt, a power steering pump (that was full of grease and acted as an
idler since I don't have power steering), and the tensioner idler assembly. Nearly 3.5kg of junk.
Old 2" exhaust with chambered muffler (5yrs ago when it looked nice);
V6 with relatively new headers and gutted water pump (had to pull the timing belt off to get to the water pump)
Crap I can throw away since I have an EWP;
Most of the new bits to fabricate into something useful;
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| posted on July 11th, 2008 at 05:14 PM |
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Looks like fun.....
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| posted on July 11th, 2008 at 08:13 PM |
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wow you have a lot to do, I feel much better about my pile of unfinished cars and garden orniments.
Then again after a week of the tow truck guy coming in every day my front yard is now void of VW's and the last one shoudl leav Sunday from the
inside yard..
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| posted on July 11th, 2008 at 10:15 PM |
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Hmmm...looks interesting!! Are you going to use a controller for the pump or remove the thermostat and wire it up for continuos use?? Do you think it
will help your "hotter" highway temperatures???????????????
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| posted on July 11th, 2008 at 10:42 PM |
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I'm removing the thermostat and using the fancy temperature controller which cycles the pump and varies it's speed. The controller is actually more
expensive than the pump!!!
I haven't had any hot highway temps since I added the "temporary" (which can mean a long time for me it seems) air scoop on the passenger side
trailing arm. It may help though, as the old water pump was turning pretty slow with my tall highway 4th gear.
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| posted on July 11th, 2008 at 11:02 PM |
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Will be good to see the results/any change in your cooling system after the install...have fun!!
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| posted on July 12th, 2008 at 09:27 PM |
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I finished the exhaust today. It was very very fiddley. I had to put each part on and off a number of times to keep test fitting things. It's a very
tight fit back there. 40mm clearance to the rear tyre on one side, 40mm clearance to the headers on the other side, and 20mm clearance to the
secondaries underneath. The new pipes and muffler were significantly bigger than the old ones.
And I spent a while die-grinding the merge in the factory secondarys, so it flows better. They came from the factory with the low budget method of
merging two pipe, by squashing them into hemi-spherical shapes and then welding them together. I also found I needed a flange just before the final
exhaust tip, because if I didn't have it then I couldn't get the muffler off with the engine cage still in place. It's all very tight. I made the
exhaust tip part from a piece of 3".
This view showed how tight it was with the old exhaust (and a bike muffler at that time);
Side view of new exhaust with engine cage removed (so I could put the timing belt back on);
rear view;
I put the timing belt back on, and started it. It's definitely louder. It sounds like it will be ok when driving normal, but will be very loud when I
rev it out at full throttle.
So tomorrow, it's on to the electric water pump.
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| posted on July 12th, 2008 at 09:52 PM |
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i have the same pump for mine (110L with the fan) so I will be interested in how you go. Let me know if your keen for a ride some time.
Stephen
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| posted on July 12th, 2008 at 10:17 PM |
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I just went with the 80L pump. Davies Craig (manufacturer) reckons it's good for engines up to 5L.
I really doubt my heater will work after I install the EWP. The heater was a bypass for the radiator in the orginal set-up of the car. But with the
EWP installed the heater will essentially be a bypass for the engine.
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| posted on July 13th, 2008 at 08:02 PM |
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So, it's all done. The EWP controller wouldn't work and kept me frustrated for ages, so it will be going back for a refund. In the end I just wired
the pump in to the ignition to run the whole time, and it worked fine. It didn't overcool the engine at all, as my rear radiator set-up obviously
relies on the thermofans to maintain the temperature.
Exhaust done;
video of some acceleration runs, it was raining so I couldn't get a video of the sound from the outside. Besides, it's going to the dyno on saturday
and I will get a good video then.
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| posted on July 13th, 2008 at 08:07 PM |
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Sounds good!! Did you notice any top end gain or is it still early days?? Seems to rev fairly easy...
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| posted on July 13th, 2008 at 08:12 PM |
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There is more top end power, it doesn't flatten off like it used to. It's hard to say whether it was the water pump or the exhaust, but I'm
thinking the exhaust. You can see now it revs to 7,500 without slowing down or flattening off.
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| posted on July 13th, 2008 at 08:48 PM |
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so to get even more HP all you need to do is fit a buggy body and away you go :>
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| posted on July 13th, 2008 at 08:54 PM |
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looks like someone is chasing for more HP atw !!
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| posted on July 13th, 2008 at 09:21 PM |
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Going back to a beetle box would get more power at the wheels, but not everything is about HP numbers :P
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| posted on July 13th, 2008 at 09:24 PM |
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How long does it take to get up to operating temp? If the thermostat sticks open normally the car will use a lot more fuel as it takes a lot longer to
warm up and stays on the cold start circuit. I'm sure this would be the case with yours as well not having a thermostat at all and the water pump
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| posted on July 13th, 2008 at 09:32 PM |
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I warmed it up by letting it sit there and idle as I was tinkering with things, so haven't done a proper cold to hot warm-up. I think my radiator not
getting enough air means the water pump can go as fast or slow as it likes, it's the thermofans providing air flow that is effecting and controlling
the engine temp.
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| posted on July 13th, 2008 at 09:42 PM |
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besides fuel consumption isn;t an issue if it never gets driven ....
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| posted on July 14th, 2008 at 06:11 AM |
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The Baja used to average around the 9L/100km mark, but I've just put two new oxygen sensors so I'll see if it improves. The O2 sensor on one bank of
the V6 was dead, and the plugs on that side were black as a result.
However the Passat averages around 8L/100km (and the wipers are useful in the rain) and the bike averages 4.5-5L/100km. Since Petrol is $1.60/L, which
vehicle would you use most often?  And you can't talk, your building
another car because you won't pay for fuel in your cruiser 
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| posted on July 14th, 2008 at 12:28 PM |
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nice work looks great wes. lets see a blower strapped to the klze
Love is a Rotary baja bug
Just be carefull  ,, something dangerous is lurkin in My garage
ready to burst out in a fit of Big Hp, high boost baja Rage .
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| posted on July 16th, 2008 at 03:07 PM |
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I took the car for a drive today to get fuel (before it goes up for the week). Yes, with the EWP going flat out it did take longer than normal to heat
up. It also didn't hold temperature on 60-70kph roads, it kept hovering around normal but slightly below, particularly on any long down hill runs. So
looks like I do need the EWP controller after all.
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| posted on July 16th, 2008 at 06:42 PM |
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The new EWP controller is ready to be picked up. I will get it when I get back from Canberra on Friday and have it at my place.
You know you are just jealous you didn;t think of building a car to save money on fuel ....
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| posted on July 19th, 2008 at 08:18 PM |
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Dyno run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBo7dLy93sg
140.8HP at the wheels. The VW kombi gearbox I'm using, the offroad tyres and the high CV angles seems to add up to about 30% of losses (70%
efficient). We've noticed this sort of losses on a range of suby conversions and my car. So using the 30% losses the 140.8HP relates to the KLZE
200HP at the flywheel quite well.
My car was quieter from the outside than I thought it would be. The U-bends in the exhaust probably still restrict the system a bit and keep the noise
down. I thought it would have been louder with e 2.5" straight through muffler.
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| posted on July 19th, 2008 at 09:30 PM |
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do you drive it around town with the "offroad tyres" just to look cool
are the thousands n thousands of splits really rare???
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| posted on July 19th, 2008 at 09:54 PM |
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yes
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| posted on July 19th, 2008 at 10:21 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Baja Wes
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why ???
would'nt it drive (accelerate and handle better) with tyres suited for the road
are the thousands n thousands of splits really rare???
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| posted on July 19th, 2008 at 10:44 PM |
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It's an offroad car...he drives it off road.....
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| posted on July 19th, 2008 at 11:08 PM |
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i very much doubt that a beetle that nice sees too much off road action i bet that its close to a conservative 70/30 split 70% on road that is
easy to have a second set of street wheels that wont stress the cog swapper and in guessing it has an adj front and rear end????
are the thousands n thousands of splits really rare???
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| posted on July 20th, 2008 at 07:10 AM |
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Why would I build a car capable of offroading and then put street tyres on it? A Baja with a body lift and small street tyres would also look
ridiculous. No I don't have an adjustable rear, and my adjustable front is a thing front end that is in it's lowest position.
Beside if I wanted something that handled I would have built a street beetle. If I was after something that accelerated really fast I would have put
an EJ20 turbo in it. And I have my motorbike for something that goes fast and handles well on the street.
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| posted on July 20th, 2008 at 07:16 AM |
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It gets used offoad......
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