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posted on February 6th, 2011 at 10:22 AM



Good to see something different , mate . I need to talk to a engineer , who is the man ( name ) Have you spoken to him about extending the beam out ?
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posted on February 6th, 2011 at 11:17 AM



No Beam Extension! it changes it too much and then you need another modification plate. This project was started so that anyone can build a volksrod for the road. I will be documenting everything, it will be done the easiest way with minimal problems to get it registered. The engineer is a client of mine and doesn't do public certification ( I'm an exception).Sorry.



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posted on February 10th, 2011 at 07:11 PM



this is the new exhaust, finally fitted the motor.
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posted on February 10th, 2011 at 07:13 PM



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posted on February 14th, 2011 at 02:50 PM



Got the motor Started, it sounds loud as Hell!!

Very Happy!! few more bits to weld, and off to the engineer.........




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posted on February 23rd, 2011 at 10:45 PM



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No Beam Extension! it changes it too much and then you need another modification plate.

Hi renebugrod,

So what if you wanted to do a beam extension anyway, comply and get the mod plate, do you know or can you find out whats involved?




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posted on February 28th, 2011 at 05:03 PM



Not sure what certification you need to do to extend the beam? It does change the Ackerman angle (steering Geometry) and can cause difficult steering and wearing your tyres and suspension out.



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posted on March 1st, 2011 at 07:04 PM



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Not sure what certification you need to do to extend the beam? It does change the Ackerman angle (steering Geometry) and can cause difficult steering and wearing your tyres and suspension out.
Hi renebugrod,

Iím not sure that it does harm Ackerman. In fact most of the articles I have read indicate that VW beetles have poor Ackerman anyway and the beam extender actually improves it. Most of the issue is at very slow speed like when doing a u turn at full lock. There is Ackerman angle and Ackerman steering and for small steering angles, Ackerman is minimal. I think more tyre and suspension wear comes from driving habit and poor wheel alignment rather than differences in Ackerman.




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posted on March 2nd, 2011 at 08:13 AM



Thanks Vman, I will look into it in more detail, I assumed that the Ackerman would be correct when the beetle was built.



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posted on March 2nd, 2011 at 10:42 AM



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Thanks Vman, I will look into it in more detail, I assumed that the Ackerman would be correct when the beetle was built.
Hi renebugrod,

Yes, so did I until I read up about "Ackerman Principle". Turns out there are quite a lot of manufactures that paid little attention to it at all. If you look at certain models within car brands, you find they all use the same suspension components across models. Some models have longer wheelbase (eg: Holden wagons/statesman's longer than sedans) without any correction of Ackerman. Some vehicle designs had bad Ackerman and required after market components to rectify or correct this.
I think Ackerman is used by authorities to discourage or stop people from doing modifications because it is such a confusing principle. They too think the manufactures always get it right, but that's far from true. They don't want to accept that some after market modification actually improve a vehicle but assume it has to make it worse.

Stretched vehicles all have absolutely killed their Ackerman but there are plenty of those on the road.

Using the standard VW front end and simply moving it forward via a beam extension does change "Ackerman" but not the" Ackerman angle". This slight change in Ackerman can be adjusted in toe when doing a wheel alignment.

Ackerman is also affected by, tyre slip angle which varies with speed, Lateral Force, tyre stiffness, tyre load, toe angles, camber, caster, lowering, rake, roll centre, wheel backspace and everything else you can think of that contributes to steering geometry.

So in real terms for example, changing from drums to disc's has 100 fold better safety improvement than worrying about slight changes in Ackerman with a beam extension.
This is why I find it hard to believe there is so many certifiers that have issues with beam extensions with regard to this.
More of a concern would be a beam extension without a brace back to the firewall.

This is longer but stronger
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posted on March 2nd, 2011 at 06:16 PM



Thanks for the info, nice to know there are people out there that understand that you can't just build a rod without some planning!



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posted on May 6th, 2011 at 07:22 AM



Two month's pasted already! Time fly's! Back on the case again.

- Roll bar getting made at the moment.
- Door gussets getting rolled, should have them back soon.
- Seats fitted.
- Seat upholstery finished and ready to be fitted. (post pictures soon).
- Need some crazy bugger to test drive her!!




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posted on May 6th, 2011 at 09:12 PM



thats how i did mine

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posted on May 10th, 2011 at 10:56 AM



Nice work!! Considering the extension.



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posted on May 25th, 2011 at 12:34 AM



I've seen examples online of people using a sandblaster to cut the tempered safety glass down. Has to be cut on both sides. You might try looking at some of the hotrodder websites for more info.
Car's looking fantastic!
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posted on May 26th, 2011 at 10:04 AM



Thanks Mike, I'll look into it.



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posted on May 26th, 2011 at 10:38 AM



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posted on May 26th, 2011 at 08:11 PM



Nice work! This is looking pretty good. That beam extension would really help the proportions though...

Are you considering making a tonneau to cover up all of the seats when not in use? I think the car is crying out for one. Not only would it look awesome when driving alone, but it would be really handy if you ever needed to leave the car in the rain.

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posted on May 30th, 2011 at 10:19 PM



Thanks Waveman, I was thinking maybe something like this.

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posted on June 16th, 2011 at 05:25 PM



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Yes, nice neat work. do you have a pic of the guard mountings?




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posted on July 19th, 2011 at 09:16 PM



That's A secret that can't be told, yet!

Wait until it gets approved first, then it will be printed in a book for everyone to enjoy!




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posted on July 27th, 2011 at 08:01 AM



Enjoying this build, so you are going to produce a book on
this build right?
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posted on August 8th, 2011 at 07:51 AM



I wanted to build a Hotrod with a budget of $3000. So far so good! I will be making a picture book of how it is done, so that anyone can build one themselves. Keep posted.

P.S The build is on hold at the moment as I am waiting for other people to Make some parts. Namely the roll bar and door gussets, as I don't have a pipe bender on rolling machine.




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posted on August 17th, 2011 at 09:44 PM



I'd be interested in this book. Looks awesome so far..



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posted on August 23rd, 2011 at 08:44 AM



I love your build, and your aim for a under $3K Budget. I'd interested in your book (if nothing else to se the secret mounting:D). for me it is the first "Rod" and I dont have the funds for the enevatable mistakes on a big budget build.
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