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 reub
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| posted on November 12th, 2008 at 08:42 PM |
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OUCH - Crash scene investigators channel 7
Not good to see a Kombi in a head on crash... hmmm
Reub
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| posted on November 13th, 2008 at 07:11 AM |
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ah damn, I went out for dinner and missed it..
Pay your debts, CxxT
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| posted on November 13th, 2008 at 10:00 AM |
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Yeah - saw the start of the prog but missed the end result - who/what was at fault ?
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71dub
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| posted on November 13th, 2008 at 03:24 PM |
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owner of the ford ka was at fault she crossed the white line .owner of kombie tried to hook to left but not enough time
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| posted on November 13th, 2008 at 06:59 PM |
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Very nasty
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| posted on November 13th, 2008 at 07:22 PM |
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im surprise how well the kombi held up actually given that ppls legs are the crumple zone
rooted the KA up pretty bad tho
goes to show airbags in motorised shopping trolleys dont do much
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68AutoBug
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| posted on November 13th, 2008 at 07:50 PM |
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Driver of bay window Kombi had his right Leg amputated...
not good as he had a shed full of European old motor bikes...
I suppose he could get a side car to hook up to the bikes..
Lee
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| posted on November 13th, 2008 at 08:37 PM |
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No air cooled VW would survive well in a high speed head on. Not a fair test, tiny car against a large van (imagine a beetle against an old Hiace
etc).
The only thing saving the kombi occupants was the fact the ford shot underneath the kombi (see how far front beam was pushed back.
I love my old VW's, and particularly my kombi, they were safe compared to everything else 40 years ago, but cars are safer today.
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| posted on November 13th, 2008 at 11:50 PM |
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andy???? hang on the KA driver died, the kombi driver lived, so what was safer??? the kombi was one of the safest cars in the 70's (according to
crash tests) the KA??? small pocket rockets will always come off worse even against each other! a bigger vehicle offers more safety, always have
always will, its the law of physics!
if any one would like to dissagree i'll pit a 1960 cadillac against any of todays crap cheap nasty mass produced tin foil boxes which pass for
"safe" motor vehicles! i wok with cars all day every day and i see what happens when they meet, its not pretty but i do know that big cars always
win!
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| posted on November 14th, 2008 at 07:50 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 68AutoBug
Driver of bay window Kombi had his right Leg amputated...
not good as he had a shed full of European old motor bikes...
I suppose he could get a side car to hook up to the bikes..
Lee
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Are you seriously making a joke about this guys misfortune?
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| posted on November 14th, 2008 at 08:25 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by vwjon
if any one would like to dissagree i'll pit a 1960 cadillac against any of todays crap cheap nasty mass produced tin foil boxes which pass for
"safe" motor vehicles!
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I wouldn't! I've seen an early Caddy that hit a Laser front on. The steering column ended up a few inches behind drivers seat.
I can assure you, what was left of the driver wasn't pretty.
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| posted on November 14th, 2008 at 09:54 PM |
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vwjon, I think in that specific accident the kombi survived better due to height rather than weight, don't forget a stock empty kombi weights in
~1300kg. Not exactly a heavy car in today's world.
Yep, kombi's were safe 40 years ago! All T2 crash tests I have seen conducted had the impact hit the bumper to take the load.
If a kombi hit's anything with substantial weight above the bumper height, the front passengers have no chance. In today's world that's probably
1/2 the vehicles on the road (if you still run std hight).
In T3 kombi's, they maintained the same principle in the bumper and chassis behind it, but substantially increased bracing across the front above the
bumper and moved the occupants back. I'm sure T4 and T5 kombi's are "safer" again.
As hotrodmatt said, the driver was in a pretty bad way with a long list of serious injuries.
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vwjon
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| posted on November 14th, 2008 at 10:19 PM |
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i think we are missing the point. the "new" car driver died, the kombi driver lived, the "new" car has the huge advantage of technology and years
of safety advancements.
hotrod mat, are the pics avaliable? what did the laser look like? i'll bet there wasnt much left.
3 1959 cadillacs
1 musso
2 early notchbacks
2 split kombis
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1 split ute
1 low light panel
1 ex-pmg bay
1 country buggy
1 beetle ute
1 14" syncro caravelle
1 16" syncro doka
1 golf cabrio
1 vw camper trailer
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| posted on November 14th, 2008 at 11:15 PM |
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Dont know that there is too much of a weight advantage in a kombi to make it the optimum choice in any collision. Even a smallish car like the
mitsubishi lancer now weighs in at 1300kg. A 3 dr Yaris is over 1000kg. If they hit bumper to bumper the Yaris will be doing most of the absorbing
because thats what is designed to do. Above the bumper theres not a heck of a lot of material to be doing any absorbing and not a lot of space to be
absorbing into.
If I had to be in a head on, I'd pay big money to be in the head on collision between 2 Kas instead of the 2 kombis. A kombi vs a Ka is probably
55-45. Kombi vs Lancer i'd guess 48-52. No brainer that I would choose taxi over a kombi though.
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