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| posted on December 12th, 2008 at 02:59 PM |
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Price check huge TIV Turbo Motor
Hi can anyone provide feedback on the specs of this motor and any idea of its value? New to ACVW, though run a porsche 912. friend put me on to this
motor...as looking to build up a big capacity motor to put in the 912. However the complete motor as the specs read are way too huge for my needs.
Though some of the parts are interesting. Can anyone offer their thoughts on the specs and values ? Thanks mIchel
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2909 Turbo Efi turnkey type 4
2.9 liter type 4 turbo motor complete turn key. Everything required to run except the fuelpump and regulator . Custom center mount 911 fan setup. Dry
sump tank included.
Specs
84mm crank nitrated and 5 doweled
Scat 5.7 rods
JE 105mm pistons
Custom turbo cam
Autocraft dry sump pump
Autocraft tapered pushrods
Sleeved case for type 1 lifters
Jay Cee pushrod tubes
Scat Splitport heads 40 x 50 valves
Autocraft springs and retainers
CSP 911 fan kit modified for center mount
Mustang throttle body
Complete custom intake plenum
Innovative turbo t3/t4 .63 stage5 exhaust and to4e 50 trim compressor
38mm wastegate
750cc rc injectors
I have countless hours and dollars in this beast. 450hp capable with quick spooling current turbo. Exhaust is setup for a sedan with removed package
tray but would work nice in a sand rail also. This is a very high maintenance motor but is streetable with proper care.
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micheloaks
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| posted on December 12th, 2008 at 03:02 PM |
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big TIV Motor is it too big can anyone advise??
Hi can anyone provide feedback on the specs of this motor and any idea of its value? New to ACVW, though run a porsche 912. friend put me on to this
motor...as looking to build up a big capacity motor to put in the 912. However the complete motor as the specs read are way too huge for my needs.
Though some of the parts are interesting. Can anyone offer their thoughts on the specs and values ? Thanks mIchel
Thanks mIchel
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2909 Turbo Efi turnkey type 4
2.9 liter type 4 turbo motor complete turn key. Everything required to run except the fuelpump and regulator . Custom center mount 911 fan setup. Dry
sump tank included.
Specs
84mm crank nitrated and 5 doweled
Scat 5.7 rods
JE 105mm pistons
Custom turbo cam
Autocraft dry sump pump
Autocraft tapered pushrods
Sleeved case for type 1 lifters
Jay Cee pushrod tubes
Scat Splitport heads 40 x 50 valves
Autocraft springs and retainers
CSP 911 fan kit modified for center mount
Mustang throttle body
Complete custom intake plenum
Innovative turbo t3/t4 .63 stage5 exhaust and to4e 50 trim compressor
38mm wastegate
750cc rc injectors
I have countless hours and dollars in this beast. 450hp capable with quick spooling current turbo. Exhaust is setup for a sedan with removed package
tray but would work nice in a sand rail also. This is a very high maintenance motor but is streetable with proper care.
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| posted on December 12th, 2008 at 03:39 PM |
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High maintenance = grenade
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| posted on December 12th, 2008 at 04:09 PM |
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Very expensive grenade for street use. I can't see that set up being very street capable. I recall seeing a similar set up on samba a while back and
it was around the 9 or 10k USD (Used) from memory.
Talk to Rod Penrose, he deals with this type of set up from time to time 
Anything putting out 450hp is bound to be high maintenance and very costly to repair.
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| posted on December 12th, 2008 at 04:11 PM |
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Pics ?
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| posted on December 12th, 2008 at 04:33 PM |
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Talk to rod about buying a used engine from the US, he has a ripper on his bench that some one imported.
Thought they got a real good deal until something went wrong and they pulled it apart, engine had sand in it, 3 different pistons, the case was
clearance for a stroker crank with a hammer and chissel,  I
kid you not.
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| posted on December 12th, 2008 at 09:54 PM |
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Hi Michael, welcome to ACVW.
Are you looking to sell the motor and downsize? What was the purpose for the motor in the first place? By the specs sounds like a drag motor because
those split ports don't cool well enough for street which can be replaced by some nice RAT heads.
Value on parts would be $9000>, how much someone is willing to pay is a different story.
ben
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| posted on December 12th, 2008 at 10:12 PM |
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thanks for initial thoughts..all these things have gone through my mind repair cost, streetability etc, being ripped off. As mentioned the current
suggested spec of 450hp is too much meat for me. Though was keen to know whether any or all of the parts were if in as described condition worthy of
inclusion, crank, dry sump set up etc. Heads too large for me. Any thoughts? Otherwise will continue to scrounge locally...
I did check the reference to Samba add and found it there asking 7600!!! $400 more than I am willing to pay i think?
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| posted on December 12th, 2008 at 10:21 PM |
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sounds like a yank build to me
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| posted on December 13th, 2008 at 08:13 AM |
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Build a 2270 type 4 if you want power and reliabiltiy, it uses a 78.4 stroke crank and 96mm pistons and cylinders, cylinders are slip in no machining
and crank requires very minor clearancing to the case to clear, built right with the right tuning you can easily have 180hp and same torque and would
be perfect for the 912, i will be building a 2270 for my bug, i have just finished a 1911cc 66x96mm for my notch, now i am starting on a 1970cc for a
bay camper, then another 1911cc, then a 2056cc 71x96 for Dasdubber for his split, then a 2760 82x105 for Bond for his 58 bug, i have lots of knowledge
on type 4 engines as it was the first engine i ever worked on and favour them more than a type 1, this interest has led me to a career as an Aviation
engineer where i build turboprop engines daily, i even worked in Canada last year and got down to visit Jake Raby the leader in Type 4 engines, and
became good friends with him, check out his site http://www.aircooledtechnology.com and sign up to his forum also, here you will find everything you need to know about
type 4 engines. My 2270 has cost me $5k in parts and will outlast the big turbo engine your enquiring about, i am here to help if need be.
Cheers Damo.
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| posted on December 15th, 2008 at 10:08 AM |
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Thanks Damo for the heads up...Have looked at Raby site and have had brief email with him on pricing of a typ4 with efi twin plug etc ---min cost $15K
USD ouch..tempted to keep saving and buy a motor by an engineer called Dean Polopolus overhead cam AC 4cyl motor. Made originally be secitoning a
6cyl porsche motor and welded back up...now new cases are cast. amazing and amazingly expensive..basic kit at present is close to 13000USD!!!! capacities between 1.5-2.7 litre. 1.5 litre can get 200hp
supposedly.
I have also spoken with Stan Pobjoy about a build, but he doesn't do efi but his twin plug conversion is on the money...however i would need the
dizzy regraphed..or crankfire?
Would like to chat some more as am keen to get a motor project happening in early new year. I have settled on a TIV of yet decided configuration -
have been hunting for a useable 914 sourced motor though have ocated a 2.o litre kombi if needs be??
BTW the vendor of the motor was willjng to sell and ship lock and stock for $5200USD.. If pricing could be brought down was stillwondering then
whether some of the part such as dry sum and efi etc etc are worth it? As mentioned wanting to build up a motor that when called upon will allow a
number of sniffy 6cyl porsche owners to lick my 912's ass
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| posted on December 15th, 2008 at 05:49 PM |
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I've seen the Popolous 4 cylinder engines and i want one too but can't afford one, very popular with the 356 outlaw guys, the type 4 is the next
best thing, putting a type 4 in a 912 is a great thing to do, less weight, better handling and equivalent and usually more power than a 6 from that
era. For example the 914/6 came with a 2.0 6 and 110hp, the 914/4 2,0 type 4 had 90hp a simple camshaft change in the type 4 gave more power and
torque than the 2.0 6. If you can get the 2.0 bus engine that will be fine, it has the 71mm stroke crank and when coupled to a set of 96mm
P&C's gives 2056 and can be a fairly cost effective, reliable, powerful engine, going from there is the 2270 which uses a 78.4mm stoke crank and
96mm P&C's. These two combo's are good and not two expensive, anything above that is going into big bore P&C's and i wouldnt use the cast
iron ones if it was my choice, even though they are cheaper than Nickies you would more than likely replace them 2-3 times in the life of the engine
as they don't last as long or have good thermal characteristics, i've physically held 105mm nickies in my hands and the difference between them and
cast iron is unbelievable and the quality of the manufacture and performance is outstanding. If you do go ahead and get the motor from O.S. i would
get everything to see first hand what is what, if things are not needed then they can be sold off, to recoup your money but $5200 is a bargain for
that engine if its the one i have seen on the samba as your pics didn't work for me. Is this the one? http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=694135
Cheers Damo.
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| posted on December 16th, 2008 at 11:26 AM |
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Hey Damo, If i could only sell a 1000 dozen of lamiongtons and i could afford a Polopolus motor...or a Paul Pauter motor!!! yes that is the motor on
the samba $5200 US dollars though not Australian dollars so makes it around an $8000-9000 investment. I would think that the heads cam etc are
definitiely not what I need. I am sure other parts two would be superfluous and replaced with milder parts. EFI, turbo and dry sump i definitley want.
The alternate a Subi sawp??
I have beenb trying to check out Jeff galasco on American sites ad have found soome good posts and pics of a car he built - which the motor came out
of. Impressive build. Oddly though he swapped out the motor in April last year and put in a subi into his beetle. It then says the motor was sold??
But here it is again or another motor he has? Have emailed him to explain further.
If you have a number i will call sometime. cheers Michel
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| posted on December 16th, 2008 at 04:54 PM |
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Michael have sent you a Pm. The Scat splitports can be a problem on the street and don't really favour a type 4. As for Subaru, personally i think
it would wreck the 912, i won't do a suby conversion personally, i don't think they have character or unique performance that an aircooled boxer
has.
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| posted on December 16th, 2008 at 06:55 PM |
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Damo's words of wisdom
Mate will call you later re crank.(if that's ok!!)
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