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 vwsteve
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| posted on March 18th, 2009 at 09:31 AM |
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spacing out wheels(help please)
i have recently purchased a set of globeline wheels to put on my yellow karmann ghia with the big flared guards, they are 7 inch wide 4 stud, i will
need to try and space the wheels out further from the drums to fill the guards and make it look better, can anyone suggest the best method for this?Do
i get spacers and longer studs with nuts or do i get adapters that bolt to the drums and then the wheel bolts to them?What would be the safest option
and how wide can i safely go?Any help or location on where i can get these would be appreciated,cheers
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| posted on March 18th, 2009 at 09:41 AM |
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How far do you want to go , as we have 6mm 10mm & 12mm spacers available at CVD , but we do not recomend stacking spacers
Don't let body work get in the way of real suspension travel
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| posted on March 18th, 2009 at 09:53 AM |
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not sure yet but im guessing 20-30mm maybe, i think your sizes are too narrow for the rear guards still.
1 1963 356b porsche coupe
2 1960 karmann ghia cab
1 1965 karmann ghia cab
1 1966 karmann cab
1 1961 split ute
1 1967 split p/van
1 1952 standard bug
1 1963 ragtop
1 1960 ragtop
2 1954 ovals
1 1956 oval baja project
1 1957 oval flying flea
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| posted on March 18th, 2009 at 10:18 AM |
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you will have to fit longer stud and nuts
but as per above get one spacer not a stack
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vwsteve
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| posted on March 18th, 2009 at 10:27 AM |
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dont worry, i never planned to stack them, even i know thats dangerous ,
anyone know of a place in brisbane for studs and spacers by any chance?
1 1963 356b porsche coupe
2 1960 karmann ghia cab
1 1965 karmann ghia cab
1 1966 karmann cab
1 1961 split ute
1 1967 split p/van
1 1952 standard bug
1 1963 ragtop
1 1960 ragtop
2 1954 ovals
1 1956 oval baja project
1 1957 oval flying flea
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| posted on March 18th, 2009 at 10:36 AM |
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Yea we can get custom spacers made for you and also supply longer studs but how is this all going to be in relation to the bearings
Don't let body work get in the way of real suspension travel
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| posted on March 18th, 2009 at 10:45 AM |
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im pretty sure the bearings will still be able to handle it, the wheels will be lighter than the ones already on the car as they are lighter alloy and
the others are widened steel, do the studs have to be pressed into the drums and discs then?
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1 1966 karmann cab
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1 1967 split p/van
1 1952 standard bug
1 1963 ragtop
1 1960 ragtop
2 1954 ovals
1 1956 oval baja project
1 1957 oval flying flea
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| posted on March 18th, 2009 at 11:17 AM |
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Its not the fact that the wheels are lighter than your current steelies the cars overall weight change less wheels does not change and the centre of
the wheel will be offset from the centre of the 2 bearings ie: with the wheels spaced out on the drums and discs the bearing will be trying to be
twisted if you get my meaning which in turn will give you greatly reduced bearing life
Don't let body work get in the way of real suspension travel
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| posted on March 18th, 2009 at 11:53 AM |
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ok, she will be right, i dont use it much anyway, i reakon bolt on spacers would be the better alternative, saw them on a website in the states but
thats too far away
1 1963 356b porsche coupe
2 1960 karmann ghia cab
1 1965 karmann ghia cab
1 1966 karmann cab
1 1961 split ute
1 1967 split p/van
1 1952 standard bug
1 1963 ragtop
1 1960 ragtop
2 1954 ovals
1 1956 oval baja project
1 1957 oval flying flea
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| posted on March 18th, 2009 at 12:25 PM |
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i will organise to bolt the wheel on one of these days to measure how far out i need to go first and then work out the best way to go
1 1963 356b porsche coupe
2 1960 karmann ghia cab
1 1965 karmann ghia cab
1 1966 karmann cab
1 1961 split ute
1 1967 split p/van
1 1952 standard bug
1 1963 ragtop
1 1960 ragtop
2 1954 ovals
1 1956 oval baja project
1 1957 oval flying flea
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| posted on March 18th, 2009 at 06:23 PM |
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I hate to throw a dampener, but according to the RTA web site " The fitment of wheel spacers (or adaptors for dual wheel conversions) between the
wheel mounting face
and the road wheel is not permitted unless fitted as original equipment by the vehicle manufacturer. " I have also been advised by an RTA authorised
signatory ( automotive engineer) that spacers are illegal in all Australian states and territories...
However I am very keen to be corrected!! 
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi09_rev4.pdf
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| posted on March 18th, 2009 at 07:26 PM |
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Sorry rexy,Andrew and Steve are right wheel spacers are illegal as the extra load on the bearings and studs can cause all sorts of catastrophies.
Even though you don't use it much the potential for disaster is there and any insurance company would bail out quicker than you can spit. cheers Les
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| posted on March 22nd, 2009 at 06:52 PM |
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I would like to dispute the fact that spacers are dangerous. The load that is placed on a wheel bearing is compiled of an inner and outer load.
The inner load is the load that is placed on the bearing from the centre of the rim and inwards.
The outer, of course, is the load on the bearing from the centre of the rim to the outside.
Now you guys are correct partly, if you take a standard factory rim and hub assembly and put in a 5 inch spacer, then you are moving the bearing load
all to the outside and then due to that extra distance outside its like an offset see saws, much more load outside than normal. In this instance you
are correct, it has placed exxcessive load on the outer edge of the bearing and it will fail and it is dangerous.
But what about this scenario, you buy a set of rims and bolt them on, instead of the factory offset (lets a assume factory is a 50/50 split, 3"
inwards and 3" outwards). But the new rims you purchased has a 4 inch offset and its in. Just by doing that you have now changed the factory
bearing load and overloaded the inner bearing. Technically you should place a 1 inch spacer just to bring the loads back to factory.
I wouldnt have a worry about placing a 1/2" spacer on any factory rim, check the depth the studs screw in by, 1.5 times the diameter is the minimum.
But if you are fitting aftermarket rims you should do the following.
Jack up car on stand, bolt on original wheel, drop string line down inner and outer edge, then mark the centre of these two lines. Then put the new
wheel on, and do the same, you would be surprised how many times those two lines are different and in some case it can be by over an inch. Sometimes
a spacer is needed just to bring it back to factory.
But just randomly throwing on spacers is as the guys have said, silly and possibly dangerous.
And as BillK stated, THEY ARE ILLEGAL.
Food for thought
Trev
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| posted on March 22nd, 2009 at 11:24 PM |
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30 odd mm seems a bit much steve  and yes as far as i know they
are illegal, i was told a while ago that if you do a big 5 to 4 stud conversion that as long as you can access all bolts while the wheel is on to
tighten them its ok, but i doubt that personally.
i have a set for my car, not sure why it came with them, just 2 for the rear, and no more that 10 mm thick, i removed them straight away, still dont
know why they were there.
yeah it will put alot of exessive load on bearings, but i see it as, its an old car so everything is bigger and stronger than it needs to be anyways,
and its german so the quality is there, and people have been putting hugely oversized tires on carrera bugs since the dawn of time
it you do get studs and spacers, make sure you get good quality studs, and locktite them in so they dont come out everytime you try and remove the
wheel
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| posted on March 22nd, 2009 at 11:26 PM |
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the studs ive got are screw in with an allen key in the end to tighten, not pressed in.
otherwise im sure Nils will be happy to do some serious cutting and over fabricating and widen the whole rear of the car underneath instead 
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