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posted on September 20th, 2009 at 08:38 PM



Throttle body inverter......Take 2

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv394.jpg

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i guess noone spied the f@@k up with my first one
all was fine and dandy till i removed my decklid stand offs and put the decklid back on stock
and the blooddy thing wouldnt open far enough cos it was hitting the intake hose :blush:
would be fine if i owned a baja

the new one i made is pretty much exactly what custom veedub sell
save yourself the hassle and just get one of theres.
welding pipe to flanges sucks especially when they have such tight bends with limited access

definatley not a pretty as my first one but ah welll it can hardly be seen and has no leaks thats the main thing

all fits up nicely now and i can have a decklid spring again.... nothing like holding a decklid up with your head trying to adjust twin webers :crazy:

i also made a new joiner piece with the spigots for the IACV and case PCV hoses as the 45degree one i cut from the subi donkey dick was the wrong angle now and i needed a straight

the engine wont run without these so ive made up a bodgy short term solution
i need it running so i can back it in and out of the shed. my driveways to steep to push it
its just 3" PCV down pipe with some home irrigation fittings epoxied in

i need to get some 3" exhaust pipe that i can solder some brass barbs into for the final product
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posted on September 22nd, 2009 at 07:40 PM



DUB74L now availble in powered form

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv401.jpg


had a couple of hours spare this arvo so decided to hack my valance around abit
im not real keen on the idea of just cutting a big hole and glueing in some boy racer mesh as the valance loses alot of strength doing that and very rarely does it look good
for one of the rare instances were it does look good check out what Steve did to Davids bug when it was painted

for those that dont really know superbeetles, in the US air conditioning was a very common dealer fitted accessory so all superbeetles bound for the US market left the factory with valances that had vents for the A/C condensor like so:

http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/358081.jpg

Steve fitted one of these valances to his yellow bug and it cooled very well but at the moment i just couldnt face unpicking another valance as the front is alot more involved than the back so i figured i'd have a stab at making one similar, i had nothing to lose
gotta thank Gerrelt for the tip

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv400.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv403.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv404.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv406.jpg


all in all it worked out ok, with the bars still there the valance hasnt lost any strength.
ill eventually put my Kamei spoiler back on once i sort out what to do with it so it will be covered up anyway but it will do for now
luckily i still have abit of crystal white left so i gave it a quick spray job to stop the raw metal edges rusting


now i just have to brace myself and cut the rest of the wheel well out
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posted on September 22nd, 2009 at 08:18 PM



I started doing that only to find my valance was 1cm thick bog:fakesniff:
sso I went with the big hole.:lol:




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posted on September 22nd, 2009 at 08:22 PM



my front valance was one of the straightest panel on the car when i got it till i barrelled a possum the size of a large dog hence the ripple in the bottom

they're normally the first panels to get crumpled

funny most yanks would give anything for a smooth valance like these and yets heres me turning mine into one like theirs :crazy:
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posted on September 22nd, 2009 at 11:42 PM



I do like the idea of this for an external oil cooler.... kinda like hellbugged's setup.... just the oil change would be a killer. looks great though Joel. keep up the good work :)
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posted on September 22nd, 2009 at 11:55 PM



we just chucked one in mine colonel. No pics up yet but have a squiz at warwick



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posted on September 23rd, 2009 at 12:06 AM



mate, im gonna look at, take photo;s of, lay underneath.... your car at warwick. and most likely pester you and your dad for a few hours in conversational topics... :)
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posted on September 23rd, 2009 at 04:28 AM



Looks very good Joel!:tu:

I'm glad I could help a little! :)
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posted on September 23rd, 2009 at 09:38 AM



another question

The guys that did you wiring harness, where are they based and how much did it cost.
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posted on September 23rd, 2009 at 09:14 PM



that would be Al and Miles at AMauto - amauto.com.au



when i stopped for lunch today mr courier man had left a nice present for me

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv416.jpg


these things truely are a work of art
alot better than anything i could have made
just look at how short they are

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv415.jpg


i couldnt see a thing i was doing down the paddock cos of the dust so i spent the rest of the arvo in the garage and finish sorting the engine bay wiring out

this is the standard bug engine bay wiring with the outter shield removed
being a 74 it has the externally regulated alternator which is the stuff on the left

coil power and oil light wiring in the middle

and the 2 on the right are part of the dealership plug in computer diagonosis system which is all now redundant
i had used them as wires for my tacho and oil pressure gauge

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv410.jpg


all the wiring for the EJ22 is part of the subi loom with the exception of the alternator which needs to be spliced into the vw loom

im sure i showed the alternator plugs earlier in this thread but its very simple
theres a main B+ (white) out same as VW, a warning light (Black/white) and a wire which needs ignition power (yellow), this turns on the internal regulator
without this it wont charge and connected to always live power will flatten the battery
i made up a new loom with the EJ alternator wires and connectors
i also ran 2 others, one for the oil pressure switch and another will be for my oil pressure gauge sender when i get around to fitting it

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv411.jpg


now rather than cutting and joining these wires to the VW loom i chose to mount a terminal strip on the fire wall instead

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv412.jpg


a few reasons for this
its so much easier than soldering wires together, allows for easier changes and finally if for some unknown reason i need to put a vw engine back in all i have to do is connect up this

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv413.jpg


connections are very simple. theres 2 big white B+ wires that come off the alternator, these need to be joined together and connected to the VW B+ which is the big red/white wire
for the regulator wire i just connected it to the old coil power supply
and the warning light i connect to the small red D+ wire as this goes straight to the speedo charge light
generator equiped VWs would be slightly different but if your undertaking the work yourself you should really know what the differences are anyway
oh yeah and the oil light and pressure gauge sender wires just connected as well


other thing i did while electrically speaking is the bracket for the ignitor with a little bending bolted up beautifully to the old regulator mount

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv427.jpg


the other thing i did the other day was hook up the throttle cable
i was determined to make this engine use the standard beetle throttle cable as i had an aftermarket cable for the dellorto on the supercharger and it was forever being a problem child

i used some thick walled 3/8" tube i had laying around to replace the guide tube that goes through the fan housing
it had to be thick walled as welding the stock vw one would have only blown holes in it as its paper thin
i bent up a bracket to weld to it that picked up one of the throttle body mount bolts
looks ugly as but its very sturdy

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv417.jpg


all the cruise control linkages of my throttle body went missing a while ago but it still has the pin that held the springs which was in the way
it was only a press fit and pulled straight out with some vice grips

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv419.jpg


now to use the standard vw barrel clamp holder thingy was simple, i just folded over a piece of 16 gauge sheetmetal, drilled a hole through it for the barrel to fit then silver soldered it to the throttle body arm

again looks ugly but it works

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv422.jpg

a few important steps when doing this

firstly is to get the pivot point measurement the same as a vw carb
a 34pict3 had a 24mm distance from the center of the butterfly shaft to the center of the barrel clamp so i had to set it up the same
if you have this measurement smaller then the pedal will only go down about half way before the butterfly is wide open
and on the other hand to big and the pedal will go flat before it fully opens so u wont get WOT (wide open throttle)
this is important for a few reasons other than performance

Now when Joel gets impatient and decides and nail it to overtake 3 cars and 1 truck right before a blind bend , the TPS senses WOT and kills the A/C if its running and sends the computer into closed loop mode for max power and also WOT when starting sends the ECU into flood clear mode

and secondly the angle needs to be just right so it pulls evenly from fully closed to wide open
if its pulling on to much of an angle at any point it only places excess stress on the cable and linakges

anyway it all worked out well, theres less effort required on the noise pedal than a vw carb even though the subi throttle has 2 springs
i just need to tweak with my cable where the barrel clamps it as can be seen here im not quite hitting the WOT stop screw

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv421.jpg



ive made a little bit of a start on the cooling system
heres a sneak peak

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv429.jpg


im using hose clamps tucked under the body mounting bolts to hold the pipework up along the sills
mighten't be the pretty solution but it worked well for over 10 years on my black beetle

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv428.jpg
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posted on September 24th, 2009 at 06:04 PM



I see the firewall is back on, or did you take them pics out of order?
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posted on September 24th, 2009 at 07:46 PM



nah its off for good
once its all done im going to detail my engine bay and repaint the firewall

alot of this thread is all out of order, i just add bits and pieces to it as i sort through the pics
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posted on September 24th, 2009 at 07:49 PM



okoay yeah thought so, just re read and would have needed wiring to get engine error codes duhh
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posted on September 24th, 2009 at 08:14 PM



that don't look rite all neat and tidy :no:



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posted on September 24th, 2009 at 08:15 PM



well i cant out class you with power :lol:
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posted on September 24th, 2009 at 08:27 PM



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well i cant out class you with power :lol:


yeah i've been driving it around for 12 months now. And I thought i'd give it a treat with some subaru upper engine cleaner and it feels like it's got an exta 20hp:crazy::lol: So it realy does do something :crazy:




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posted on September 24th, 2009 at 08:40 PM



just put 2 more bottles in then and youll have more HP than josh
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posted on September 24th, 2009 at 08:45 PM



a clean engine is a happy engine. looks good Joel. can't wait to see it. :)
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posted on September 27th, 2009 at 09:42 PM



got its first genuine part this weekend
there was only one coolant hose left that hadnt been replaced, the waterpump return line and being the original hose it felt pretty crispy when it was squeezed

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv447.jpg


speaking of , for all the flexible rubber hoses i picked up some really common ones so that if i ever get caught out the back of whoop whoop needing a hose chances are the local redneck garage might have half a chance of helping

giving my poor bug a bogan element are 2 early commodore top hoses for my header tank in and out
an EA-ED falcon top hose and a bottom hose from a XG falcon ute/panno

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv432.jpg


i mounted my header tank first so i knew where the hoses had to run too

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv446.jpg


i mounted it on an angle as it makes for easier hose routing but also it puts the cap in a nice easily accessable place

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv449.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv450.jpg


ive welded up the stainless solid lines as far back as the gearbox.
the supply side just needs a 45 degree bend to go from the chassis fork up over the axle to the rubber hose to finish it off

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv463.jpg


and the return side its a similar situation execpt it needs a dogleg bent up to come out around the exhaust manifold and into the thermostat housing

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv467.jpg


im pretty stoked with how the hardlines worked out
at the back i havent lost any ground clearance at all as they actually sit higher than what the floor pans do

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv462.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv456.jpg


even down the sills theres no risk of them hitting anything as they hang down about half and inch lower than the floor pan rails

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv469.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv461.jpg


at the front is where theres usally clearance problems especially when it comes to superbeetles
theres the control arms, tierods and center rod to get passed as the radiator is mounted in front of these

most people go underneath all that which is fine if you have 4WD ride height status as they need to hang low enough that the suspension on full droop is no where near hitting them

that guy in NZ with the white EJ25 powered SBug in one of the VWMA runs his underneath and had a mishap where his rubber hose hit the road and it dumped all its coolant
ive got topline maxx struts on my bug which are already on the highest setting so unfortunately theres no way of getting it any higher than it already is so playing it safe ive decided to take another route and go over all the suspension instead

heres were the falcon top hose came in
cut in half it made for 2 nice elbows that are just a fraz past 90degrees which was needed as i put a small kick down on the pipe to get it under the bulk head

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv468.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv476.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv479.jpg

the 2 elbows are only hanging down about half an inch lower than the center of the floor pan bulk head but because they're inline with the wheels there no chance of them hitting anything

from there they will run up and across the bottom of the wheel well to the radiator
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posted on September 27th, 2009 at 10:06 PM



oh yeah a couple of other jobs i got done

the speed sensor is finished and mounted

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv454.jpg


and ive made up the permanant IAC intake adapter thingy

1 scrap of 3" exhaust

1 19mm brass barb

and 1 12mm spray boom fitting thats been rattling around in my ash tray for months

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv438.jpg


all silver soldered together

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv439.jpg


painted and installed

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv442.jpg


and finally all the PCV hoses needed hooking up

its alot like the aftermarket breather kit setups for vws
the 2 rocker covers are ported, they're connected together and also the case PCV is Tee'd into the hose as well then into the air intake

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/boostedbug/Subaru%20conversion/subi_conv441.jpg

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posted on September 28th, 2009 at 02:23 PM



nice one with the coolant lines . I've got 9 flex joints :lol: in the wagon
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posted on September 28th, 2009 at 04:41 PM



thats the easy part getting the coolant lines to the front, now you have to get em past the moving suspension.



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posted on September 28th, 2009 at 05:04 PM



pull ye finger out & get it drivable before the weekend, you spend way too much time on here/msn etc



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pull ye finger out & get it drivable before the weekend, you spend way too much time on here/msn etc


that aint gonna happen and you know why

klaus, i was trying to make as minimal joints as possible but still have a system that has some flexibilty
we'll see if it works out

the other thing ive been doing when welding up the solid lines is putting a couple of spotwelds on the ends
this will stop the hoses blowing off by giving the hose clamps something to tension against

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posted on September 29th, 2009 at 03:32 AM



Nice work Joel

You might want to look at a WRX 'stat housing. It's inlet is 90 out compared to a NA motor so it faces the front (of the dub)
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posted on September 29th, 2009 at 08:33 PM



cheers for the tip Balders, i remember Jorg doing that with his 22 only problem with mine is that points it straight at my exhaust manifold

ive actually already got the hardlines finished and im halfway through mounting the rad.
im hoping it will self bleed as theres no high points in my system except for the 2 caps which will let any air out
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posted on October 8th, 2009 at 06:53 PM



ok apologies to people who have been following this, i will update it soon just at the moment im night spraying which really screws around my body clock up bigtime and makes me not a nice person,

people who know me know to stay clear :lol:

but just quick minutes for those who are interested
it is up and running, it didnt make warwick due to a minor issue which the concerned party happily rectified, the tuesday after warwick....... :fakesniff:

i;ve only been for a quick 5 min run out the road mainly due to the fact i havent finished enclosing my radiator

a rubber floor mat over it may work fine in ians bug but in mine i could nearly cook an egg on the fuel tank by the time i got back :lol:

what are people using to close in their rads? ive made an RHS frame that i can screw whatever too but i wanna make it fairly non conductive and not to heavy

im thinking exterior ply maybe or fibreglass

anyway heres a sneak peak of the sump and rad

ground clearance is better than a vw engine with a deep sump and the header hangs down lower so if anythings gonna hit it will be it which im already used to anyway

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posted on October 8th, 2009 at 07:13 PM



I have a couple of old street 60km/h signs that go over my rubber mat, they are made of alloy and easy to bend and not hard to find some as they are ever where you look :lol::crazy::lol:
your radiator sits really high.
and I dont think you can have two overflow recovery radiator caps,
youll have to get one of those none recovery caps like they have on V6 toyata Camry's
ps the rubber mat makes it easy to check it over, in the running in period:lol::crazy::lol:




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posted on October 8th, 2009 at 08:46 PM



might have to go on a good old roadsign adoption missiom, mmm that takes me back :lol:

overflow hose on the rad is just plugged off, only using the one on the header tank
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