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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 05:37 PM |
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DRAG RACERS BE WARNED
Attention all drag racers.
Whilst attending the drag races at WSID on the 29th March 2009 through total negligence on a track officials behalf my Ghia drag car was extensively
damage.
In the first round of qualifying the car next to me oiled down the track and left the track dangerously cover in smoke from 60 ft out. I decided to
abort the run and stop the car some 10 foot out from the start line.
Once the fire crew had put the car out and the track officials deemed it safe for my car to be removed from the track a quad driven by a WSID work
flew up the track to my Ghia, turned and reversed up stopping some 10 feet from the car.
He then tried to hook up a tow strap after he was told he couldn't as we have a tow pin which fits into the chassis. He then returned to the quad and
in a stupid rush started the quad in reverse and at a great knot of speed reversed at the Ghia.
He stopped 1 inch from the front. Whilst my crew and another track official watch in amaze as he then again accelerated hard in reverse hitting the
car and climbing the bonnet with 2 of the 4 wheels, stopping 10 inches from where I sat in the drivers seat.
My crew and the track official then had to push the quad forward, and of the bonnet.
Why am I telling you this ??
Well after months of unprofessional conduct and many emails, phone calls, back and forward from WSID and then with the insurance company that cover
WSID, they have today refused to make good any of the damages to the GHIA which comes to some 7000 dollars.
I was told that I signed a form when I race at WSID that releases them of any liability.
So this is an email to tell all those who intend to race at WSID if you race there and any staff do any damage to your car even through sheer
negligence they will not compensate you financially to fix your car.
There has been no apology for the incident, no offer to refund the entry fee or even look at part payment to the damage.
I don't know about you, but I would have assumed when a person presents any vehicle to a professional venue and pays for the privilege to race, they
deserve to be in the safest environment possible with some sort of coverage.
The matter has now been escalated to me acquiring legal representation against my home town track, the one I have supported from conception to
completion.
Regards
Mike
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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 05:46 PM |
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OMG
this is nuts what was that bloke on
well im not sure what to even say
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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 06:00 PM |
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That is a sad out come mike.
I would post that same comment on the Dragster Forum,
and also send a letter to DragsterMagazine.
They should be ashamed.
Some things, irrespective of signed waivers and rules, should come back to common courtesy.
Even the guy himself, should offer to help or work off his debt if he has no money.
SCUM!
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That's mad Alan.
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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 06:09 PM |
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sorry to hear they taking no responsibility for there employees. even though u sign the waiver it doesnt resolve them of responsibility from their
employee. as well as taking legal action, it may be worth contacting the accc about this. look online at accc hotline, someone there may be able to
tell u who to contact. just because u sign a waiver doesnt resolve them of responsibilty to provide safe conditions.
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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 06:09 PM |
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unfortunately a lot of cowboys work there.
did you get a copy of the form you signed
I believe you should have, and if not they have have not completed the liabilities waiver agreement properly (check this)
sorry to hear about it.
Keeping it real !
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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 06:20 PM |
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Hi Mike
That's a shame, but it looks like another case of VWs go home from WSID.
I wonder what their reaction would have been if things were reversed and you damaged the quad bike through negligence?
Steve
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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 08:15 PM |
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Mike, as Dave said post about the incident on http://dragster.com.au/modules/newbb/ AND contact Dragster mag.
This sort of thing is just not on.
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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 08:31 PM |
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I am with you Steve, if the shoe was on the other foot and Mike damaged the quad they wouldn,t have let him out of the park without his bank managers
contact details.
This is bloody outragous, stick it to them Mike. 
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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 08:31 PM |
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Mike that is crap, very sorry to hear it. Hope your legal challenges are fruitful, surely they still have a duty of care
I am assuming it took a lot of strength not to deduct 7k from the stunt drivers face...
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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 08:32 PM |
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Let's just hope karma shorts them out. Thanks for the warning, I would have lot the plot if that was my drag car.
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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 09:57 PM |
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absolutely no morals from them what so ever.
what was that clown thinking/doing to have even mounted your ghia........just amazing that an idiot like that, even has a job there!!!
Cheers
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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 10:58 PM |
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thats totally f*#ked up dude, as i said before, i dont even see how they allowed something like this to happen, i feel like going over there and
kicking the shit out of someone, not only for how they are handling the matter but the fact they did it in the first place this is totally
unacceptable on their behalf. they shouldnt have no-hopers like that working there and being responsible for the safety and welfare of not only the
extremely delicate and expensive race cars, but also the drivers and crew. I wonder what they would say if the tool backed over another person??? if
one of the crew was standing between the ghia and this f-wit then it could have been a tragedy.
i dont know if it will help but i think we should start some sort of petition, i understand about the "race at your own risk clause" but surely it
shouldnt cover the staff's incompetence!!! this has really shit me and i think i speak not only on the behalf of the vw community but also on behalf
of the entire drag racing community when i say this is total bullshit!!!! although the case itself may outcome to more than the cost of repairs i
would be one to offer to donate to the cause just to show these cowboys that just because they opened an "international dragway" it is no excuse to
treat people that pay their bills and keep them afloat like scum. i cant believe that after so many months of negotiating they have ended up coming to
this verdict..... summarized in 3 words 'THIS IS BULLSHIT'
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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 11:11 PM |
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one wonders if the guy on the quad was shown the door real fast, damage your own gear bad luck, damage someone elses, YOU PAY FOR IT, where did common
courtesy / decent people go?
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STIDUB - yep its still a work in progress
Vwdcq club car racing/ and crashing while my bug isn't finished.
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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 11:11 PM |
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Mike , Very poor decision from wsid again . Sorry to here this mate , I'm a member of dragster web site so send what you have writen to me and I will
post it up for you .( carorama@bigpond.net.au )
Have heard that big chief of wsid hasn't got much time left in top job !!
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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 11:18 PM |
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 ..... crazy days...... just hope it gets sorted properly for you
Mike.
at the very least, that quad stunt man shouldn't be working there anymore......... he obviously has no interest or respect of the amount of work,
love, pride and $$$ the very people that create the work and as a result, a job for him, put into their hobby.
One would assume the admins further up the chain of command from him would have some sort of affliction with the macines that run at their place of
employment too
is anyone responsible for their own actions these days ????????????
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| posted on June 19th, 2009 at 11:23 PM |
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This is the most ridiculous thing I have heard. If you work at a racetrack of any kind, you will see a lot of different cars that have all had heaps
of money spent on them. Whether the car is to your taste or not, you should respect it for what it is.
I wouldn't mind betting the f**kwit on the quad makes so little in wages that he couldn't even afford to fix a low level shitbox, let alone a top
machine like this. Really bad to hear, must make you wonder why you go to all the effort and cost when you have to put up with shit like this.
Hope you get something out of it, in your favour.
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| posted on June 20th, 2009 at 08:45 AM |
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Very sorry to hear this Mike, it sounds like a rediculous decision on their behalf and one that surely could be challenged in the legal domain as its
so far from common sense its not funny. Why the hell would WSID need to have any insurance whatsoever if a waiver releases them from any liability? I
would hope their insurance premiums would be extremely low in that case, since they would theoretically never be held responsible and never have to
make a payout.....bloody rediculous.
It's also sad for any vw enthusiasts and spectators in Sydney that now it means you'd think twice about running at WSID (for which I wouldn't blame
you)
Al
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| posted on June 20th, 2009 at 09:02 AM |
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there's something that smells about this. I'd talk to a lawyer. alternatively, I wouldn't minding betting you could sue the individual. probably
not worth it, but it's an option.
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| posted on June 20th, 2009 at 09:59 AM |
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That sucks...
I'm not sure how legally binding those entry forms are. They all have some kind of wording that releases them from any kind of responsibility what so
ever, and when you sign it you are agreeing to it...BUT, what if 1 of more people were killed by this moron....Someone would have to be held
accountable....
If the guy on the quad still works there, the people who run the track are bigger fools than he is.
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| posted on June 20th, 2009 at 04:10 PM |
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Bugger
You should bring your car to Gunnedah 1/8th mile Drags they are friendlier people up the country, 18 & 19 July 2009
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| posted on June 20th, 2009 at 07:09 PM |
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I'm with everyone else Mike this is a ridiculous outcome. I have not heard many (if any) good reports about WSID.
Is there anything that ANDRA can do?
I would just make as much noise as possible keeping within the bounds of the law.
I wonder if the outcome would have been the same if the damaged car had have been sponsored by Castrol or JD.
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| posted on June 21st, 2009 at 07:13 PM |
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The result of this one is a mystery.
I can understand the track themselves not accepting liability. By doing so, like with any insurance, you void your agreement with the insurer. Only
the insurer can accept liability on their clients behalf. The delay in referring the matter to the insurer is however unprofessional. The first step
any business should take is provide insurance details to the affected party - after all, that is why they have the policies.
As for the insurers alleged failure to return phone calls or correspondence and enter any dialogue in a timely manner, that is unforgivable. As for
liability waivers, we all know they are not enforceable. No law allows liability to be waived, regardless of what is signed. The simple fact is that
this is not a "racing incident". The owner of the car has suffered damage in the past to cars in racing incidents and has worn the cost, as
"that's racing".
The decision to deny liability and offer compensation is likely the decision of a claims manager. No insurance companies legal team would risk this
matter going to court, the empirical physics of this matter are indisputable. Any argument that the quad bike is not at fault is easily countered by
physics which cannot be denied. For the car to have been pushed under the quad would require enormous force - far more than a couple, or even a dozen
people, pushing could apply. Trying to push a vehicle under a lighter quad is impossible. The collision, if this is was the case, would simply bump
the quad forward not cause it to climb the bonnet.
On the other hand, the quad accelerating backward would easily climb the car. The only way a quad can climb the bonnet of a car is for the wheels of
the quad to be turning with force in the right direction thus applying the not insubstantial tractive effort for the quad to be able to climb the
significant step up to where it finally stopped and had to be lifted and pushed off the vehicle by several people.
This decision by the insurers to deny the laws of physics will not stand up to scrutiny and will cost them substantially more.
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| posted on June 21st, 2009 at 09:23 PM |
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Mike..In hindsight it would have been much fairer for the quad & its operator to be under your car & not on top of it !!! In my years of drag
racing. I feel that in pusuit of our passion that drag the racing situation reminds me of performing clowns in a circus ring providing the crowd
entertainment at the clown's expense,paying for the privilege of being there for little renumeration if successful whilst somebody else pockets the
chaff...this is how it is & regrettably we have no alternative than to accept this if we wish to participate..Willowbank when I was previously out
& about always provided a professionally run & well organised meeting.The work,dollars & driving risk associated with a high speed vw
deserves a lot more respect than what you have received.Anybody can put a reasonably sized & modified v8 in something light & "voila"...you
have an instant super sedan with minimum fuss.Mike Ian Mezz hit the nail on the head...country people do know the meaning of friendliness & do not
lack ethics See if you can make it at Gunnedah that weekend....I will be taking the "HOUND" out for its first bit of trackwork after its upgrade..to
make sure the driver has not lost function !!!! Regards & concern...Ross Freestone.
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| posted on June 22nd, 2009 at 08:06 AM |
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I have posted this over at Dragster site and all can't believe what happened and how badly this has been handled.
http://dragster.com.au/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=21150&forum=4
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| posted on June 22nd, 2009 at 08:25 AM |
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Overwhelming support from the dragster website for the morons at the track to pay up for the damage. Like someone mentioned on dragster "what if
someone had been standing between the quasd and the Ghia?" Injuries would have been sustained and something would have been done then....
[size=4] ACCEPT THAT SOME DAYS YOU ARE THE PIDGEON AND SOME DAYS YOU ARE THE STATUE[/size]
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| posted on June 22nd, 2009 at 09:11 AM |
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I have been following this post and have to admit I am totally lost for words. Its good to see the support from both here and on the Dragster forum, I
just hope for all those effected that common sense prevails and Mike gets his desired result....Pay up WSID.
It is this sort of pathetic nonaction that made me decide to sell my recent drag project, Portland officials couldn't even work out which cars were
faster than others......
Good luck Mike, but dont hold your breath, hope the repairs go well and we see you racing soon.
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mike i'm lost for words, i'm not a hippie but karmas a bitch.
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Can you believe they give control of a motorised vehicle to somebody who clearly has no idea of what there doing, and the idiot turns to Mike and says
"a little polish should fix that" its a wonder he didn't leave on a stretcher.
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| posted on July 2nd, 2009 at 12:43 AM |
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In doing what they have done, they are in breach of section 38 of the OHS&W act in their failure to maintain their duty of care to racers(paying
customers) and their surrounding workmates. It should have at least been reported to the DAIS as a near miss of potentially catastrophic
circumstances. It may be questionable since nobody had been injured, but their repsonse is indicative of their direction(and subsequent"we don't
care"attitude and "you signed the form") whether or not an injury has taken place which can be interpreted as negligence on their part. Some follow
up legal advice wouldn't go astray here. You should be successful in pursuing them on this basis and the Commission takes a very grim view on
careless enterprises.
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sorry to hear they taking no responsibility for there employees. even though u sign the waiver it doesnt resolve them of responsibility from their
employee. as well as taking legal action, it may be worth contacting the accc about this. look online at accc hotline, someone there may be able to
tell u who to contact. just because u sign a waiver doesnt resolve them of responsibilty to provide safe conditions.
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