| [ Total Views: 1204 | Total Replies: 24 | Thread Id: 79446 ] |
|
|
 ryana89
Officially Full-On Dubber
Posts: 315
Threads: 20
Registered: September 30th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Location: Hervey Bay, QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Yellow
|
 posted on October 4th, 2009 at 07:08 PM |
|
|
Airconditioning
I'd just like to ask, has anyone had experience with airconditioning in older VW's (beetles, combi's) and if its effective or even practical. I
know its possible from reading a bit from Joel's "Subabeetle" thread, and im just a bit wondersome about the whole idea. I tried looking for a
thread about this but couldnt find one (feel free to link me if one does exist)
Thanks in advance
Ryan
2.0slow 92 MK2
Made in Germany, Assembled in Africa, 'Migrated' to Australia
|
|
|
 helbus
A.k.a.: Pete S
Super Administrator
Mad fabricator, paint and body
Posts: 7386
Threads: 312
Registered: September 1st, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: In the garage chopping cars into bits
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: In the thinking chair
|
| posted on October 4th, 2009 at 07:42 PM |
|
|
My experience is that it is not necessary.
|
|
|
Joel
Scirocco Rare
Now containing 100% E-Wang
Posts: 9368
Threads: 211
Registered: February 14th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Northern Rivers NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Purple
Mood: Tact Level 0.00
|
| posted on October 4th, 2009 at 07:50 PM |
|
|
it was easy with mine cos the subi engine already has the compresssor on it but its not hard with a vw engine, im noticing more and more at shows with
it fitted
theres a bug getting around here with factory A/C but its pretty hopeless system ,the old 70s york compressors were a one size fits all deal, the same
thing in little vws that was used in huge fairlanes and statesmans and they really used to load up little vw engines
main problem in a bug is finding somewhere for the condensor that has enough room to fit the right size and good air flow
modern rotary R143a compressors are alot more effeient so dont load the engine up
its not a cheap option, im looking at around $500 just for all the hoses, starting from scratch you still need a compressor, evap, condensor etc
might be cheaper to import one of the kits from the states like gilmores
http://www.gilmore-enterprises.net/main.html
|
|
|
ryana89
Officially Full-On Dubber
Posts: 315
Threads: 20
Registered: September 30th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Location: Hervey Bay, QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Yellow
|
| posted on October 4th, 2009 at 08:07 PM |
|
|
Thanks Joel and hellbus, i thought those were some of the difficulties with installing a system. I've seen the power a compresser can suck even from
a modern EFI engine (Mazda 626), not sure how serious it would be a with a small 1600 engine, but im getting ahead of myself anyway. Thanks for the
imput
2.0slow 92 MK2
Made in Germany, Assembled in Africa, 'Migrated' to Australia
|
|
|
Baja Wes
Bishop of Volkswagenism
V6 Baja Pioneer
Posts: 3119
Threads: 94
Registered: August 26th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Content
|
| posted on October 4th, 2009 at 08:24 PM |
|
|
I have it, it's awesome, do it 
Although I have the V6 to move the compressor.
|
|
|
11CAB
Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
If ya got it....Baja it
Posts: 4674
Threads: 321
Registered: August 30th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane Northside
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Beach'n
|
| posted on October 4th, 2009 at 09:44 PM |
|
|
Gold Coast VeeDub at Labrador do A/C installs on old veedubs
65 Meyers Manx
68 Country Buggy (KO 367)
68 Country Buggy (KO 669)
68 Country Buggy (KO 789)
68 Country Buggy (KO 815)
68 Baja Bug
76 Baja Kombi Twincab
|
|
|
Pauld
Officially Full-On Dubber
Posts: 204
Threads: 25
Registered: September 24th, 2008
Member Is Offline
Location: Darwin northern territory
Theme: UltimaBB Pica Red
|
| posted on October 4th, 2009 at 11:09 PM |
|
|
id like more info on this, the last two weeks in darwin have been 35 degrees and humid as anything so if theres a kit floating around in aus please
let me know
|
|
|
LUFTMEISTER
Veteran Volks Folk
Posts: 2041
Threads: 119
Registered: July 13th, 2005
Member Is Offline
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: BRISVEGAS in a state of flux
|
| posted on October 4th, 2009 at 11:33 PM |
|
|
Have you tried those little flap windows? = Captian Obvious 
Customer service is not dead in Australia.
Always after HAZET & MATRA & VW factory tools
|
|
|
Camo
A.k.a.: Kev
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1936
Threads: 209
Registered: October 29th, 2007
Member Is Offline
Location: Sydney - Liverpool area
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
|
| posted on October 5th, 2009 at 08:45 AM |
|
|
Note - David Birchall must be in transit from Warwick at this point and cant add a comment, so I will chime in for him
I have seen Boris at Vintage Vee Dub doing an install on an old Beetle. Try them.
Depends where you are Ryan ?? You now have a couple of options.
Kev
|
|
|
Baja Wes
Bishop of Volkswagenism
V6 Baja Pioneer
Posts: 3119
Threads: 94
Registered: August 26th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Content
|
| posted on October 5th, 2009 at 08:46 AM |
|
|
When it's close to 37 degrees or hotter those little flap windows just make you hotter as the air is hotter than your body. They also don't do
anything in traffic.
|
|
|
71dub
Officially Full-On Dubber
Posts: 361
Threads: 46
Registered: September 29th, 2008
Member Is Offline
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: happy
|
| posted on October 5th, 2009 at 10:50 AM |
|
|
worth a call to gold coast vw they have installed quite a few.should be able to answer all your questions
|
|
|
ryana89
Officially Full-On Dubber
Posts: 315
Threads: 20
Registered: September 30th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Location: Hervey Bay, QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Yellow
|
| posted on October 5th, 2009 at 04:04 PM |
|
|
Thanks again for all input
I live in Hervey Bay, which is basically the middle of nowhere for buying/getting ANY cars, or accessories
Thanks
2.0slow 92 MK2
Made in Germany, Assembled in Africa, 'Migrated' to Australia
|
|
|
68AutoBug
A.k.a.: Lee Noonan
Aircooled Master
Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138% - YIKES --
Posts: 11654
Threads: 449
Registered: August 31st, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SCONE in UPPER HUNTER VALLEY NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Yellow
Mood: Really Mentally Ill - all of the time -
|
| posted on October 5th, 2009 at 04:32 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by Pauld
id like more info on this, the last two weeks in darwin have been 35 degrees and humid as anything so if theres a kit floating around in aus please
let me know
|
You would need air con in Darwin as the Humidity up there is terrible,,, IMHO
same as Singapore & Malaysia
where most beetles have air conditioning....
it was an option on beetles in the USA...
I have seen it on imported Karmann Ghias from the US..
is costly unless you use generic parts...
LEE
PS" there is a Beetle owner on here who has had Air Con in His beetle for about 20 years.. lives in Queensland..
- [size=4]Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY--- [/size]
|
|
|
Baja Wes
Bishop of Volkswagenism
V6 Baja Pioneer
Posts: 3119
Threads: 94
Registered: August 26th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Content
|
| posted on October 5th, 2009 at 05:38 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by 68AutoBug
PS" there is a Beetle owner on here who has had Air Con in His beetle for about 20 years.. lives in Queensland..
|
That's Grahame, he's a really nice guy. He posted in this air con thread - http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=5405&page=1#pid40689 - his forum name is old dubber.
|
|
|
azrael_kadeus
Learner Dubber
Posts: 6
Threads: 1
Registered: March 16th, 2010
Member Is Offline
Location: central coast
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on May 5th, 2010 at 10:00 AM |
|
|
i've been trying to search for air con in beetles... there isnt much info or pics up on here..
|
|
|
jjwebb123
A.k.a.: Jason
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 617
Threads: 63
Registered: August 15th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Location: Nrth QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Trying to get it puring
|
| posted on May 5th, 2010 at 10:25 AM |
|
|
it would be nice,but i really couldn't be bothered with it.its just another thing to worry about.
but if done the right way they can be excellent.
"A car for the people, an affordable Volkswagen, would bring great joy to the masses and the problems of building such a car must be faced with
courage."
Adolf Hitler At opening of 1934 Berlin Auto Show
|
|
|
mackaymanx
A.k.a.: Brent
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1611
Threads: 97
Registered: January 12th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Mackay.QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Brad'ed Off 
|
| posted on May 5th, 2010 at 11:07 AM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by Joel
,the old 70s york compressors were a one size fits all deal, the same thing in little vws that was used in huge fairlanes and statesmans and they
really used to load up little vw engines
|
The "old" (these are still available new) York compressors come in three different sizes, 100, 142 and 169 cc/rev. The pulley ratios also affect the
flow the compressor makes, the engine loading up has more to do with the poor horsepower that the vw motor makes. Also the vw's used the
super-compact model which were shorter.
Yes, a modern ac compressor will be more efficient.
Quote of the week
"Do I wish to send them to you again, nope, no interest can't be bothered really, to much hassle for little or no return."
 |
|
|
Uber Kafer
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 414
Threads: 50
Registered: November 12th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Location: Bunbury (BunVegas) WA
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Need a bigger shed..
|
| posted on May 5th, 2010 at 11:13 AM |
|
|
fair bit of stuff available in the US, particularlly the full installation kits, unfortunately the under-dash evaporator module is designed for left
hand drive cars. One major item is the compressor mounting brackets and they are available as a kit from businesses such as ISP West etc. So that
saves major time and hassle designing and building your own brackets. Mexican beetles had it as a factory option, so theres a lead. The lower nose
panel on later US models had the wide grill, I assume that was for the condensor air flow but I have never seen a picture of what mounts behind the
grill.
As for the under dash evaporator unit is there an item that people have used successfully in Australia?
|
|
|
Joel
Scirocco Rare
Now containing 100% E-Wang
Posts: 9368
Threads: 211
Registered: February 14th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Northern Rivers NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Purple
Mood: Tact Level 0.00
|
| posted on May 5th, 2010 at 01:10 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by mackaymanx
| Quote: | Originally
posted by Joel
,the old 70s york compressors were a one size fits all deal, the same thing in little vws that was used in huge fairlanes and statesmans and they
really used to load up little vw engines
|
The "old" (these are still available new) York compressors come in three different sizes, 100, 142 and 169 cc/rev. The pulley ratios also affect the
flow the compressor makes, the engine loading up has more to do with the poor horsepower that the vw motor makes. Also the vw's used the
super-compact model which were shorter.
Yes, a modern ac compressor will be more efficient.
|
the parasitic power loss with the york and tecumsei piston compressors was incredible
Piston compressors in cars are way less effecient than rotary compressors.
they were actually used and still occasionally are on medium temp cool rooms 
they woulda got the temp down quick if vw didnt undersize the condensor and evaps so badly
theres a jap bug around here with original A/C and one of the orginal tecumsei compressors
which still worked till a few years back when the old girl hit a guard rail and damaged the condensor
power loss was described as "noticable"
|
|
|
ryana89
Officially Full-On Dubber
Posts: 315
Threads: 20
Registered: September 30th, 2009
Member Is Offline
Location: Hervey Bay, QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Yellow
|
| posted on May 5th, 2010 at 04:26 PM |
|
|
Some of you may be interested but I found a simple bodgy version a while back of how to cool your car cheaply.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Portable-12V-Air-Conditioner---Cheap-and-easy!/
It would be nice to see a thread about the actual install of an A/C system but I havnt seen one.
Perhaps there's somthing on The Samba?..... Ill go check
Over and out
2.0slow 92 MK2
Made in Germany, Assembled in Africa, 'Migrated' to Australia
|
|
|
modulus
A.k.a.: Peter Hill
Veteran Volks Folk
Posts: 2009
Threads: 76
Registered: July 1st, 2003
Member Is Offline
Location: Melbourne
Theme: UltimaBB Pro White
Mood: modular
|
| posted on May 5th, 2010 at 06:18 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by ryana89
... I've seen the power a compresser can suck even from a modern EFI engine (Mazda 626), not sure how serious it would be a with a small 1600
engine...
|
My wife runs a Holden Astra with an 1800 efi engine. When you turn on the a/c, there is no noticable drop in power. Methinks the newer compressors are
much more efficient than the older models.
hth
|
|
|
mackaymanx
A.k.a.: Brent
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1611
Threads: 97
Registered: January 12th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Mackay.QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: Brad'ed Off
|
| posted on May 5th, 2010 at 07:36 PM |
|
|
At 125 bhp (93 kW; 127 PS) the 1.8L Astra has over twice the power as the humble VW 1600. Yes a more efficient compressor helps, so does twice the
horsepower.
Quote of the week
"Do I wish to send them to you again, nope, no interest can't be bothered really, to much hassle for little or no return."
|
|
|
grumble
Son of Jim - Creator of Good
Posts: 2671
Threads: 53
Registered: June 10th, 2008
Member Is Offline
Location: Taree
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: happy all the time
|
| posted on May 5th, 2010 at 09:04 PM |
|
|
Try a Datsun 120 auto with air!
|
|
|
Joel
Scirocco Rare
Now containing 100% E-Wang
Posts: 9368
Threads: 211
Registered: February 14th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Northern Rivers NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Purple
Mood: Tact Level 0.00
|
| posted on May 5th, 2010 at 09:33 PM |
|
|
even that would whoop the ass of a 3cyl 543cc suzuki mightboy/alto with A/C and a 2 speed auto
one wonders why something so rediculous was ever created
|
|
|
Ampdub
Officially Full-On Dubber
Posts: 310
Threads: 44
Registered: May 24th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Brisbane, North
Theme: XMBX Pro Green
|
| posted on May 8th, 2010 at 11:15 PM |
|
|
I have heard of people using compressors from 12volt fridge/freezer. a Danfos or something like that. pop into springers and ask them.
|
|
|
