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 bonesbug
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First Bug Handling Issues
Just bought a 1970 Baja (San-Pacer), it's all sweet but being my first bug wasn't sure if this was a trait of the breed or something that wasn't
right.
Runs like a dream but once you hit 60mph + starts to get real twitchy, just like a go-kart at speed. It's set up more as a show car than a genuine
off-road baja but could it be the bushes or suspension that cause this?
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| posted on October 22nd, 2009 at 05:53 PM |
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Hi
Could be an alignment problem or dicky ball joint or squishy off road tyres.
Steve
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| posted on October 22nd, 2009 at 05:58 PM |
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usually if you got a bit of tow out... it makes it really keen to duck left or right.
Being a baja... if it was taken offroad... a bent tie rod could cause this.
Mind you, it could be fine and just need a wheel alignment. Worn
componentry can affect this too... including bushes, tie rod ends, ball joints... all effect handling. An alignment is probably your cheapest bet.
Alot of suspension shops will tell you if any of your front suspension components are worn... as they will not be able to get the alignment spot on
(there will be play).
Where are you located?
worn components cause unwanted play ... to spot em jack up each front wheel and see if you can wobble it... if its not rigid, and there is play, find
out where its coming from. It should lead you to the busted component half the time.
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| posted on October 22nd, 2009 at 06:17 PM |
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I'm in NZ, the forum on the bugs here has gone a bit flat so thought I'd get some advice from the other side of the Tasman.
Got hold of great Veedub man that's fixed her up but wanted to narrow down the problem before I go back and ask his help again. Thanks for the tips,
that's given me some ideas of what to look for. Cheers |
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| posted on October 24th, 2009 at 01:37 PM |
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Yeah its most probably a wheel alignment or a wheel balance issue. If you find you are going all over the road its probably needing an alignment or if
its suddenly shaking uncontrollably till you slow down it would be a wheel balance issue. I had both ^.^
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| posted on October 24th, 2009 at 05:15 PM |
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if its suddenly shaking uncontrollably till you slow down it would be a wheel balance issue.
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^^^this can also be very bad balljoints
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| posted on October 24th, 2009 at 07:18 PM |
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Bad shocks won't help either, I would look at front and rear
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| posted on October 24th, 2009 at 10:53 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by bonesbug
Just bought a 1970 Baja (San-Pacer), it's all sweet but being my first bug wasn't sure if this was a trait of the breed or something that wasn't
right.
Runs like a dream but once you hit 60mph + starts to get real twitchy, just like a go-kart at speed. It's set up more as a show car than a genuine
off-road baja but could it be the bushes or suspension that cause this?
Whatdyareckon?
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as mentioned... jack the front up...
You will need to grease the front suspension anyway...
then see if there is any movement by pulling the wheel up
etc... most likely worn ball joints or tie rod ends..
plus steering box needing adjustment..
check all the 4 ball joints... for movement
then the tie rod joints ..
If ALL are Perfect.. thats correct PERFECT...
also the steering damper.. take it off and see if it works..
if its been leaking... its worn out...
then Your steering box will need adjusting... carefully..
Read how to do this and don't do it too tight and make sure your wheels are straight ahead...
You can read how to do that at :- Rob & Dave's website :-
http://www.vw-resources-com/
My balljoints took a 50 ton press to press the originals out...
My 1968 beetle which has had everything renewed.. drives as good as a new car.. excellent in fact...
and i did the front wheel alignment Myself..
and i know many VW owners do the same thing - with torsion bar font suspensions..
lastly.. the shock absorbers... now some VW owners with narrowed beams don't run front shocks..
this is OK in the city but on country roads YIKES...
I tried it.. lol
and wheel bearings need to be perfect too...
I wouldn't take My beetle to a non VW wheel alignment place
If You can do any of these things yourself... Go ahead..
"Best person to work on a VW is the owner"
[quote from the late Gene Berg]
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| posted on October 24th, 2009 at 11:01 PM |
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I forgot to mention front sway bar..
but I haven't been running one for about two years...
car still handles perfectly...
have one and new fitting kit to go on one day... lol
If You can't do these checks yourself, take your car to a VW mechanic or shop who can check and advise what needs replacing...
something isn't right..
could be a heap of things...lol
or just a steering damper , shocks or steering box adjustment
cheers
LEE
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| posted on October 24th, 2009 at 11:11 PM |
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Hi Lee... does any avg vw mechanic do vw wheel alignments?
Cause i was thinking that before with mine... with all the new bits its out of whack... and particularly the way the rear end is sorted with the
spring plates and irs arms... its certainly not your 'average' setup as your well aware :P
I haven't rang around yet ... not that ready for the 'running' extras  . SOON!
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| posted on October 25th, 2009 at 09:53 AM |
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Thanks
Got it jacked up now using and doing the checks, thanks for all the tips.
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| posted on November 4th, 2009 at 12:03 PM |
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Hey,
Check the steering damper - it's the 'shock' located under the fuel tank.
A sign that the steering damper needs replacing is the front end getting all twitchy at speed.
I use to drive a VW Thing, the front end became twitchy at speed, felt like the front wheels were wobbling, the vibration was terrible.
Replaced the steering damper, and the problem was resolved.
Check the steering damper.
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| posted on November 4th, 2009 at 04:24 PM |
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Hi.
With a Baja you have big wheels on the back and small wheels on front. Having the back high and the front low changes the caster and makes the car
steer faster. Like with a Cal looker with a lowered front, you need some caster shims to slow the steering down so it is not so twichy at speed and or
raise the front and lower the back suspension. This will make a big difference to how stable the car is at speed.
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